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Sure, he could if he wanted. God WANTS us to choose good over evil. He wants to test us through the refining fire. He wants us to prove ourselves by turning our backs on evil. What would there be to prove to God if their was no evil? Wouldn't that just be a happy fairy tale? Wouldn't that be easy for everyone to achieve? God wishes for all to seek him, but if evil did not exist, we would all be perfect; there would be nothing to test us and make us stronger. Evil is an easy diversion of what is pure and holy. Without evil, we would not need to be forgiven of anything, so there would be no need for Jesus Christ. I hope this makes some sense.
 
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Then can't he stop evil without interfering with our free will, and imput any lessons or appreciation we may gain from it into us, using his omnipotence?

If he can't, then God can't do everything.

If he can, then why won't he?
The idea that God can do absolutely anything, even that which is logical nonsense, is naieve and unbiblical. (Omnipotence is, strictly speaking, a greek concept not a biblical one. Like most naive concepts about the infinite it doesn't work when you press it too hard.)

Freewill means allowing the possibility for us to choose badly. When we do, that's the root of evil. You can't make evil impossible without taking away the possibility of choosing badly. If you take that way, you take with it the possibilty of choosing well and possibility of freewill.
 
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Yo bro,

Don't you know that God have already planned to do so. He set the judgement day as the last day for people to repent. Then, it will be the time where the bad and the good will be separated once and for all. After that day, the good will enjoy forever peace with God for company. And the bad will never again bother the good ever again because they will be in the lake of fire.

For God also, time is not essential. 2 Pe 3:8-9 said it well - But do not forget this one thing, dear friends: With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day. The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. He is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance.
 
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Then can't he stop evil without interfering with our free will, and imput any lessons or appreciation we may gain from it into us, using his omnipotence?

If he can't, then God can't do everything.

If he can, then why won't he?

First, just read another reply and can tell you our salvation is secure at belief in Christ, and there is nothing can change that, and we do not need evil in any way to grow in Christ.

But God uses all things in our lives to our good for those in Christ Jesus, and on this earth we will go thru much as do non christians as well.

Now to your question.

He will not go against our will to remove evil from the world. All are sinners, all would perish if he did so.

evil is wrongdoing.. all wrongdoing is sin.

In the judgement, after, there will be no evil in heaven or on the earth. There will be no more tears.

God has His plans, at this time we are in the time of the Gentiles, that is the time of gentiles to come to Him. Anyone can come but mainly at this time Gentiles are coming to him.

Later the Jewish people (some now believe) but the majority will come later.

You say if he can why won't he. He doesn't go against our free will, and we don't know the day or hour when the end times start. The end times process he has determined will happen and He will make them come to pass.

So, he can, but he doesn't go against free will. Not to mention again; his plans are made and set for what is to come.

What helps us? God says he works all things to our good for those in Christ Jesus. So though we suffer we know that; we also know He will never leave us or forsake us, further we know there is no condemnation for those in Christ Jesus. We hold on to much, and look forward to heaven, and for now, our life is though and with christ, and in heaven with and through Christ.

We know that evil is wrong, again sin is evil, all wrongdoing is sin. We don't need to suffer it to know those things.

Anyway, God is waiting till the time is right; Matthew 24 refers to this; very short chapter, which shows that the increase of wickedness and other things kick off the end times processes.

blessings,
tapero
 
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If he can't, then God can't do everything. If he can, then why won't he?
Adam was given authority over this planet and instructed to take dominion over it. When the devil showed up and tempted Eve, Adam should have put him in his place, but he didn't. One of the consequences of that decision was that he surrendered his authority to the devil which gave him a portal to influence Man at will. This is going to be a fact of life until this drama comes to a close.

When God declares something, it becomes law. God doesn't operate by situational ethics. He won't change that law just because things didn't work out as planned. For him to handle the devil on the level that Adam was supposed to, would be to override Adam's authority. That wasn't going to happen.

The good news is that Jesus won that lost authority back and provisions were made in the plan of salvation to use Jesus's authority to handle satan in the personal life of the Believer and in the lives of those that we come into contact with who want our help.
 
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Adam was given authority over this planet and instructed to take dominion over it. When the devil showed up and tempted Eve, Adam should have put him in his place, but he didn't. One of the consequences of that decision was that he surrendered his authority to the devil which gave him a portal to influence Man at will. This is going to be a fact of life until this drama comes to a close.

When God declares something, it becomes law. God doesn't operate by situational ethics. He won't change that law just because things didn't work out as planned. For him to handle the devil on the level that Adam was supposed to, would be to override Adam's authority. That wasn't going to happen.

The good news is that Jesus won that lost authority back and provisions were made in the plan of salvation to use Jesus's authority to handle satan in the personal life of the Believer and in the lives of those that we come into contact with who want our help.

Spot on. :thumbsup:

Satan is the "Prince of this world" and therefore God is not in control of the world.
 
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Then can't he stop evil without interfering with our free will, and imput any lessons or appreciation we may gain from it into us, using his omnipotence?

If he can't, then God can't do everything.

If he can, then why won't he?



Well, your question is fair enough. Where do I start?

First of all, yes, God is all-powerful. He can do anything. We may not understand what He is doing at all times, but who are we to judge anyway? We are far below His level of intelligence and understanding, more than we could ever imagine. We weren't there when He created the earth. We weren't there when He suffered and then came back to life. We weren't there when He performed miracles. What do we know anyway? Who are we to judge God's plan? He knows what He's doing. All we can do is trust Him and do what He says, which will actually help fight evil anyway.

Now, God gave us free will. We can choose to believe Him, or lie to ourselves and others in an attempt to replace Him for our own evil desires. We have the choice. If there was no evil, we wouldn't have anything to choose but God, and that wouldn't even be a choice.

Think of the evil and suffering like this. Imagine a bear trapped in a bear trap. A hunter comes along. Out of compassion, he decides to let the bear go free. When he tries to let the bear out, however, it won't let him near. It doesn't understand that the hunter is actually just trying to help. The hunter knows that if the bear continues to reject his help for too long, it will die. He is forced to shoot the bear with tranquilizer darts. This way, it will fall asleep so that he can help without resistance. The bear thinks, however, that the hunter is trying to harm it. What the bear doesn't realize is that if it stopped resisting, the hunter wouldn't need to tranquilize it, and although the darts are painful, it is worth the suffering for the end result.

God is the compassionate hunter, and we are the bear. We get ourselves into trouble, but reject God, thus making our problem worse. God helps us, however. We may see it as suffering, but the end result will be worth it. We need to stop pretending that we know everything, that we have all the answers. We need to humble ourselves, trust God, and bear the pain for the sake of the end result. Again, who are we to judge? What have you done lately to prevent some amount of evil or suffering? Not nearly as much as God! Who are you to judge Him, when you don't even practice what you preach? Besides, He has a plan. Trust Him and obey Him, and you will like the end results.

Now, this is a very deep subject I'm about to get into. You said that if God can't make both at once, He is not all-powerful. Well, God created our ability to think, our way of thinking, and the concepts of right, wrong, good, evil, free will, and choice. God could make things so that these concepts didn't exist. Now, no one but He could imagine or understand how this is possible. We can understand if we think deeply, however, that there could be a state of existence without these concepts. Again, we are not intelligent enough beings to imagine what it would actually be like, but God could do it. Why doesn't He? Well, He made things the way He did for a reason. We don't, nor could we ever, understand why, but He has His reasons. All that He wants from us is to trust Him and do what He says.

In conclusion, yes, He is all-powerful, and He could make a world both with free will and without evil, but so many other things would have to change. He wants things the way they are, otherwise He would have done things like that. I hope I have been helpful. Ask me if you have any further questions. God bless you!
 
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Then can't he stop evil without interfering with our free will, and imput any lessons or appreciation we may gain from it into us, using his omnipotence?

If he can't, then God can't do everything.

If he can, then why won't he?

No, God cannot do anything. He cannot lie, for instance (Titus 1:2). He cannot break unconditional promises. He cannot sin. And He cannot do what is logically impossible. He cannot make square circles nor determine the choices of free beings.

The doctrine of omnipotence, has nothing to do with the above. Christian theologians say God is omnipotent (all powerful). They do not say He can do anything.
 
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Then can't he stop evil without interfering with our free will, and imput any lessons or appreciation we may gain from it into us, using his omnipotence?

If he can't, then God can't do everything.

If he can, then why won't he?

Well to start off, you are suffering greatly from "Box God Syndrom" But that is another matter.

If God can, and does not, it is because he has Chosen to allow us to learn our lesson in this fashion. It is our fault if by this method we make "evil" in our world today, we have ability to make this lesson and this learning process be as we have chosen it to be. If that means we generate Evil, then that is what we have done with the Freedom that God has given us.

Hope this Helps.

God Bless

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Its a good question, heres my attempt at answering it.

It is said that the angels, although perfect, envy humans because we have the chance to earn merit, we have the potential for evil, so we can show our love for god, whereas they cant, they are perfect and it is very difficult for them to gain merit. if god just did as you suggested then what would be the point of our existence? God needs us to choose him over evil using our free will, surely it would be a bit of a hollow victory for him if he just forced everyone to be perfect and follow him?
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Then can't he stop evil without interfering with our free will, and imput any lessons or appreciation we may gain from it into us, using his omnipotence?

If he can't, then God can't do everything.

If he can, then why won't he?

God cannot do everything...even scripture says this....for instance, God cannot lie!

It makes no sense to say that God could stop evil without interferring with free will......what about someones freewill to be evil?
Plus God has already defeated evil for us....we just have to have faith and trust!.....We as believers already know the outcome is in our favor.....We as believers have already won!....We have read The Book! :cool:
 
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wow... interesting question and im not sure that ther is an exact answere that will satisfy you. however, my thoughts on this is that we have to experience evil so that we can see the good, also so that we can see what GOD has in store for own lives. I am sure that there is an answere in the bible but i would like to adress this just from personal feelings and my own veiwpoint. by going through the bad stuff, we learn and grow. that way we can maybe give some words of wisdom so to speak to someone else. if you would like to chat more then please get back to me. i will pray that you gain wisdom about this matter.:prayer:
 
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In Genesis it says that we were created in God's own image. He gave us free will and we have the choice to do what is right and what is wrong. When we feel torn between the two we get on our knees and send prayers to the Lord and ask him what we should do and he tells us or he has others help us decide what to do. The devil tempts us and God keeps us strong. As long as we believe in Jesus and God he will show us the path to take.:)
 
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That's the thing... The Bible never said God created everything, or atleast not from what I've read.

We show that we love God when we obey him. It talks about that in John. "If you love me, you will obey what I command." John 14:15

Gods allowed us to have free will so that we could love him. Free will can be a very, very good thing because it allwos for us to show that we love God, but on the flip side of that, we can choose not to love God as well. Maybe that's what sin is, Just the lack of love for God.
 
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Siphon,

God is love. He is not a dictator that we should be enslaved. Would you desire not to have free will?

It is not that God will not stop evil. He does and ultimately all evil will be destoyed. It is that God loves us enough to allow us choices.

It would be as easy as the flood to destroy this earth, let alone a section of this earth. But in this we have not developed. A rainbow reminds us that although God has this power -- His love for us is stronger than our own destructive ways.

In this we take responsibility for our fall and accept His redemption and Grace in allowing us the free will to choose Him over that which is evil.

As a young man...do you desire friends that are 'forced' to be your friends? Of course not -- you desire to be liked or loved for who you are.

We are created in God's image and He too desires what is 'real' above robots. We are unique and wonderful creations with the ability to think and make decisions...

Why should God destroy this just because of satan's or our rebellion?

He has no reason to alter from His Work. It is perfect as He is.

I hope I've written this so that you might understand the point I have hoped to make. The answer is there is no reason or purpose for God to backslide on His Work. Most certainly, God knew satan's intent and man's failings. He loves us anyway and for a short time there will be an antichrist. Only a short time though.
 
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God is our Heavenly FATHER. It may help to think of this in terms of family relationships. Your mom or dad CAN make you do everything they want you to except make you love them. (They can also get arrested for it if it's not right.)

Good fathers (and God is the BEST) want their kids to love them. Do you think you would feel MORE or LESS love for your parents if they made you do everything they wanted you to do instead of letting you choose? I'm not saying they won't give you consequences if you choose to disobey them, but even when that happens, they still wish you had WANTED to obey, not be forced to. Not having the freedom to choose can cause resentment, not love.

God loves us and wants our love in return. 'Cause he's a dad. :hug:
 
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Then can't he stop evil without interfering with our free will, and imput any lessons or appreciation we may gain from it into us, using his omnipotence?

If he can't, then God can't do everything.

If he can, then why won't he?
He could. But than it wouldn't be a test to see which one you would pick. Also if he did that you wouldn't have as much free will.It's there but he is hoping that you will pick good over evil he leaves the choice compeltely up to us:)
 
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