Muslim Brothers and Sisters

Originally posted by JeTmAn
I must interject that it's not correct to call Muslims "our brothers and sisters". These terms are usually reserved for Christians; you're not "brothers and sisters" with just anyone on the planet.

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According to who? Who decides whom I may call "brother and sister"?
If it's all the same to you I'd prefer to think of everyone as my "brother and sister".

True. Muslims are our enemies, not our "bwothers and sisters".

This is not a personal attack on muslims.

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Sky, I'm fairly certain calling someone an enemy constitutes a personal attack. With or without the 'smiley' put at the end.

Originally posted by Annabel Lee
According to who? Who decides whom I may call "brother and sister"?
If it's all the same to you I'd prefer to think of everyone as my "brother and sister".

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The Bible. It's quite clear about what our attitudes towards those of the world should be. If you want to disregard the Bible, that's your prerogative.

Originally posted by JeTmAn
The Bible. It's quite clear about what our attitudes towards those of the world should be. If you want to disregard the Bible, that's your prerogative.

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Yes, it is my prerogative. I choose peace.

Originally posted by s0uljah
Yeah, something about loving your enemies...

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That's right. But an enemy is never a brother.

To love our enemies, does that mean we do not say anything against what they may believe or should we be as Paul, and with our words tell them what they are doing wrong and tell them to repent and to follow God, or as you did and say "May Allah bless you!" How would you feel if I were to say to the Mormons, who view God as something totally different "May God bless you!", but not tell them that their belief in God is wrong, and to tell them the truth and the gospel.

Please do not gloss over my post and repsond with a ad hominem attack.

Originally posted by JeTmAn
That's right. But an enemy is never a brother.

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You've never met my brother.

Seriously, I do have a problem thinking of large groups of people as my enemy. I'd rather judge someone on the content of their soul. There are many atheists and non-Christians who's souls shine far more brightly than a Christians.
When you decide that a group is your 'enemy' you've turned them into the 'other'. The 'other' is easier to hurt because they are not like you. No reason to feel guilty since they are different.
I seem to remember Hitler doing that with the Jewish people.

Originally posted by Annabel Lee
You've never met my brother.

Seriously, I do have a problem thinking of large groups of people as my enemy. I'd rather judge someone on the content of their soul. There are many atheists and non-Christians who's souls shine far more brightly than a Christians.
When you decide that a group is your 'enemy' you've turned them into the 'other'. The 'other' is easier to hurt because they are not like you. No reason to feel guilty since they are different.
I seem to remember Hitler doing that with the Jewish people.

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Perhaps you have the ability to judge anyone and everyone's soul, but I don't.  All I have to go on is actions.  To a Christian, the world is full of enemies.  Enemies are people who would do you harm, spiritually, physically, mentally or otherwise.  Some people believe in a brotherhood of man, but I don't.  People are greedy, contentious, meanspirited and downright hateful.  Does this mean some people can't live in harmony?  Of course not.  But the world will never learn to love itself completely, and that's the way it is.  As long as there are people, they will be enemies.

To use your Hitler analogy, you are correct that the Nazis saw the Jews as enemies.  But didn't the rest of the world see the Nazis as enemies?  Didn't we destroy them?  If the nations hadn't banded together and recognized that a certain group was the enemy of the world, everything would've been lost.  The Nazis were enemies because of what they believed, not because of who their parents were.  So it is with all beliefs and peoples.  Granted, death and war are not always the actions that should be taken against an enemy, but turning your back on them or pretending they are anything other than what they are is a sure path to destruction. 

 

Some people believe in a brotherhood of man, but I don't.

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We obviously view the world in a different way. A brotherhood of man is exactly what I believe in.
Peace

Anna: How can you know the content of someones soul? By their FRUITS you shall know them. God Bless.

Originally posted by Job_38
Anna: How can you know the content of someones soul? By their FRUITS you shall know them. God Bless.

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The term, 'the content of their souls', was poetic license. How a person treats others says far more about them then what belief or non-belief they adhere to.
Christians do not have a monopoly on kindness and goodness. Far from it.

Originally posted by Job_38
Anna: How can you know the content of someones soul? By their FRUITS you shall know them. God Bless.

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Yup.

So, when I see a man who goes to funerals and cheers, because he believes the people who died were sinners against God, and I see a man who spends his life trying to minister to the sick, and comfort those he cannot heal, how am I supposed to understand them? If you're telling me that the average mendicant Buddhist priest is a better Christian than Fred Phelps, well, you might be able to convince me, but it'd be an uphill battle.

Originally posted by s0uljah
I just felt inspired to say "Allah bless you".  I know things can get rough between "our" side and "yours", but we are all children under God.

As you profess the faith of Abraham, we worship the same God, just differently.

Anyway, dont know why I am posting this, but, God Bless.

Jesus loves us all!

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I am all for loving and respecting those that disagree with Christianity, but I get a very ill vibe from this post. Have you completely lost sight of the fact that Jesus is the way and the truth? That NO MAN comes unto the Father but by Jesus?

We do not worship the same God. Allah will accomplish nothing for those that believe in him. On the other hand, Jesus will accomplish the salvation of your soul and bring you into eternal life with He and the Father.

I also pray that God will bless those of you that are muslim by bringing down the strongholds in your minds and opening your hearts to the truth and love of Jesus Christ. I pray this with all my heart, because I proclaim with all surety and the authority of divine scripture that there will not be one Muslim that will reach the gates of Heaven.

I know it sounds harsh, but I must, in true love, speak the truth. it is the truth that will set sinners free. It is truth that breaks the chains of bondage, and unless you are in Jesus Christ you are in bondage.

As I said earlier, this post gave me a strange feeling in my spirit. It smells strongly of universalism which is a lie and a doctrine of demons, as is any belief or doctrine that is not pointed firmly toward the Lord, Jesus Christ.

Job_38,

Praise God for young men that will stand up for the truth of the faith. Paul told Timothy (1 Tim 4:12) to let no one look down on him because he was young. Stay the course and uphold the faith. You are a little rough around the edges but that is fine. God will work in you and bring you to perfection. Keep your eyes on Him.

I encourage you to keep up the good fight, not shirking from the true Gospel that has redeemed us and bought us. Defend the faith with love and humility but also with strength of faith knowing full well what we have received.

God Bless and keep you my brother.

Originally posted by s0uljah
And now we have another fundie calling *me* a demon...



I think I will go by Jesus' teachings when He said to love your enemies and to not judge people. But you can stick to your ideas if you want to do so.

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First of all, no one called you a demon. Come on souljah. You win the most dramatic award.

Will you also follow Jesus' example and condemn wrong thinking? Will you love people enough to tell them when they are wrong? Did I say anything in my post that was unscriptural, or did it just offend your fleshly sensibilities? People hated Christ because he spoke the truth. Are you going to hate me because I speak the truth?

Wait, I know you will say you don't hate me but that you love me. Is that why you resorted to using the term "fundie"? I think we all know that that has very negative connotations. Especially when used in the manner in which you did. Can you judge me? If your answer is no then you need to repent, because with that statement you made a judgement about me.

I did not judge you. I did however judge what you said in the full light of scripture. You, however, have no scriptural basis for the heretical belief you are putting forth.

BTW, I do love my enemies. Did you not read my post at all? I truly love them - enough to speak the truth to them and you. The type of so called love that you are espousing here will serve no purpose but to condemn them to hell. If you truly loved them you would want to see their hearts changed toward Christ, and that will never happen as long as you are condoning and supporting the worship of a false god.

Jesus said he did not come to bring peace, but that brother would be aginst brother. Where there are five, three will be against two and the two against three. The very nature of Christ convicts others of sin. If you put on the nature of Christ you cannot condone the worship of false gods.

The ONLY option is to accept Christ as Lord of our lives, or suffer the penalty of sin, which is eternal death. I am sorry it can't be sugar coated. Jesus didn't water it down, Paul didn't water it down, Peter didn't water it down and neither will I.

tericl2,
thanks for clarifying what you BELIEVE not what you KNOW! But we are slightly off topic

peace and blessings

Show me proof(not from the Quran, but the Bible, since it is what you and I believe) that Abrahams "God" was Allah.