Left Behind research

mserazio · Jun 6, 2007

Hello,
I'm a Christian graduate student who studies media and culture. I've recently become interested in the Left Behind series and, as part of research, I'm trying to connect with fans to get a sense of their appreciation of it, especially in relation to current events and world affairs. I've created a short survey in that regard. If you'd be interested in participating and lending your thoughts, please contact me at leftbehindresearch@hotmail.com and I can e-mail you the questionnaire. All surveys will be kept anonymous and confidential. Thanks very much for your time and consideration.

Best,
Mike

* Also, sincere apologies in advance if this posting violates board regulations in some way. I had a look through the rules and it didn't appear that this message would be a problem. I'm not seeking donations or advertising or linking to a commercial Web site. I'm just a student who is hoping to find a few respondents for a simple research project on Left Behind. Thanks again!

Utah Knight · Jun 7, 2007

i too am a left behind fan and i have studied the endtimes alot so if you want to discuss the endtime feel free to pm me

heatherwayno · Jun 7, 2007

the series is awesome- i am sending you my address!

interpreter · Jun 7, 2007

It will be as in the days of Noah -- the bad guys will be taken and the good guys left.

I pray that I am one of those "left behind."

Psalms34 · Jun 9, 2007

interpreter said:
It will be as in the days of Noah -- the bad guys will be taken and the good guys left.

Uhhh thats interesting, Noah was taken away [in the ark] while the rest were left behind. Yes, as in the days of Noah.

zeke37 · Jun 9, 2007

interpreter said:
It will be as in the days of Noah -- the bad guys will be taken and the good guys left.

I pray that I am one of those "left behind."

Is there a flood in Revelation? Why, yes there is!

What is the flood? Why, it is a flood of lies!

Do you (any of us) want to be taken by this flood, or kept? Why kept, obviously, and especially since Christ is coming here.

So, Yes, I agree!!!, nice post.

in His service
c

Psalms34 · Jun 9, 2007

zeke37 said:
Is there a flood in Revelation? Why, yes there is!

What is the flood? Why, it is a flood of lies!

Do you (any of us) want to be taken by this flood, or kept? Why kept, obviously, and especially since Christ is coming here.

So, Yes, I agree!!!, nice post.

in His service
c

Actually its fire, not a flood coming. Where in the bible does it say it means lies? Be it fire, flood or lies, why would you want to be swept away by it? Maybe a little serious thought is in order before you change meanings of what is written.

Peace out

trumpeter · Jun 9, 2007

Mat. 13:49 NIV
This is how will be at the end of the age (the Second Coming).

The angels will come and separate the wicked from the righteous and throw them into the fiery furnace (hell), where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

Mat 13:41-43
The Son of Man will send out his angels, and they will weed out of his kingdom everything that causes sin and all who do evil.
They will throw them into the fiery furnace (hell), where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

Then the righteous will shine like the sun in the kingdom of their Father (the Millennium).

Mat 13:30
Let both grow together until the harvest (the Second Coming). At that time I will tell the harvesters (angels):

First collect the weeds and tie them in bundles to be burned (hell): then gather the wheat and bring it into my barn (the Millennium).

Those who are thrown into the fiery furnace are TAKEN to hell, those left behind are LEFT on earth to enter the Millennium.

As it was in the days of Noah so it will be at the Second Coming. Noah was LEFT on earth to populate it, those who died in the flood were TAKEN to hell.

At the Second Coming the wicked (goats) will be TAKEN to hell, the righteous (sheep) will be LEFT to enter the Millennium to populate the earth during the Millennium (Mat 25:34; 41).

"Have you understood all these things?" Mat. 13:51

Psalms34 · Jun 9, 2007

Ahh… so Noah’s ark was really a submarine. And instead of Noah, his family and all the animals being taken into the ark… they were left in the ark? If Noah was left, why did God say “come in”? should He not have said “stay” so that he may be left? If he was already in the ark with his family and all the animals than I can see how he would need to be left, but the ark was built from without, not within, so at some point they would have needed to bring everything in thus leaving where he was and not left as it were.

Thus Noah was taken, and then he returned, but those who were left, those were no more.

So shall it be as in the days of Noah, but our ark was born of a virgin, paid for the sins of the world on a cross and resurrected on the third day. In Him we shall rise above the flood to come, a flood of fire, and then we shall return.

marshgreencohen · Jun 9, 2007

i've seen the series in a bookstore and was excited to buy it but my cheese then ain't enough.

Tkjjc89 · Jun 9, 2007

interpreter said:
It will be as in the days of Noah -- the bad guys will be taken and the good guys left.

I pray that I am one of those "left behind."

Ditto.

Adoniram · Jun 9, 2007

Zeke37 said:
Is there a flood in Revelation? Why, yes there is!

What is the flood? Why, it is a flood of lies!

Hmmmm. So now there is a flood of lies in the book of Revelation? I wonder which parts of it are lies and which parts are not. Or is it all a lie, in this poster's opinion?

Adoniram · Jun 9, 2007

interpreter said:
It will be as in the days of Noah -- the bad guys will be taken and the good guys left.

I pray that I am one of those "left behind."

This is a strange way of looking at it. When I get on a cruise ship, I wave good-bye to those on the dock and soon leave them behind.

I envision Noah's ark experience to be that he boarded the ark, and as the waters began to rise, he probably stood sadly at the window, watching people try belatedly and unsuccessfully to climb aboard, listening to their mournful cries as he was carried safely away, leaving them behind.

I pray that you are not one of those left behind.

thereselittleflower · Jun 10, 2007

interpreter said:
It will be as in the days of Noah -- the bad guys will be taken and the good guys left.

I pray that I am one of those "left behind."

I just threw out my copy of the first book I purchased long ago when I was still dispensationalist . . It's a fantasy book full of herertical ideas. I don't need that rank heresy in my house . . .

.

trumpeter · Jun 10, 2007

What was it like in Noah's day?

They were drinking and marrying up to the day Noah enter the Ark. "They (the unsaved) knew nothing about what would happen until the flood came and took them all away (to condemnation and judgment) Mat. 24:39.

Two men will be working in the field, the unsaved one will be taken to condemnation and judgment, the other righteous one inherits the kingdom.

Two women will be grinding grain, the unsaved one will be taken to condemnation and judgment, the other righteous one inherits the kingdom.

The unsaved goats on His left will be taken into the eternal fire (Mat. 25:41), the righteous sheep on His right inherit the kingdom (v.34).

Everybody should know the unsaved are condemned and taken to judgment, and the righteous are given the kingdom.

You have inherited the kingdom of heaven on earth because you have been saved by the blood of the Lamb, the unsaved will be taken to judgment and end up in the eternal fire.

zeke37 · Jun 10, 2007

Adoniram said:
Hmmmm. So now there is a flood of lies in the book of Revelation? I wonder which parts of it are lies and which parts are not. Or is it all a lie, in this poster's opinion?
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Revelation is not a lie, nor full of lies, but a flood of lies is mentioned in the book...Please do not assume what I think or speak for me, as to what I write. I never said that parts of it are lies, so do not cast me in that light. Thanks.

The flood in the end times is a descriptive flood, and it is not of water.

The flood is there (Rev) as well, but it is not a flood of water. It is figurative, and Satan causes it. It comes from his mouth.

Revelation 12
15 And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood.

16 And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth.
17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

Satan is the king of lies. He is a liar and a murderer from the beginning. He comes in lying, pretending to be Christ Messiah, hence a flood (as in the days of Noah), but one of lies not water. The lying false prophet.

I hope that I don't have to convince you that the Devil is a liar, and that he is coming here full of lies and pretence....to fool the world into thinking that he is God!

Christians (as a whole) will not have the truth of the scriptures. The elect do. But many Christians will not. They will be as the 5 unwise virgins. Many believe that they won't even be here. Many believe in their own form of religion....or their own idea of what God is or isn't, even if it is contrary to the written Word.

Amos 8
11Behold, the days come, saith the Lord GOD, that I will send a famine in the land, not a famine of bread, nor a thirst for water, but of hearing the words of the LORD:

since God promised that He wouldn't flood the world again, hence the rainbow, it is not a flood of water, but of lies sent by the evil one.

Genesis 9
11 And I will establish my covenant with you, neither shall all flesh be cut off any more by the waters of a flood; neither shall there any more be a flood to destroy the earth.

12 And God said, This is the token of the covenant which I make between me and you and every living creature that is with you, for perpetual generations:
13 I do set my bow in the cloud, and it shall be for a token of a covenant between me and the earth.

Isaiah 59:19
So shall they fear the name of the LORD from the west, and his glory from the rising of the sun. When the enemy shall come in like a flood, the Spirit of the LORD shall lift up a standard against him.

Jeremiah 46:7
Who is this that cometh up as a flood, whose waters are moved as the rivers?

Daniel 9:26
And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.

Daniel 11:22
And with the arms of a flood shall they be overflown from before him, and shall be broken; yea, also the prince of the covenant.

Amos 8:8
Shall not the land tremble for this, and every one mourn that dwelleth therein? and it shall rise up wholly as a flood; and it shall be cast out and drowned, as by the flood of Egypt.

Nahum 1
6 Who can stand before his indignation? and who can abide in the fierceness of his anger? his fury is poured out like fire, and the rocks are thrown down by him.

7 The LORD is good, a strong hold in the day of trouble; and he knoweth them that trust in him.
8 But with an overrunning flood he will make an utter end of the place thereof, and darkness shall pursue his enemies.

Matthew 24:39
And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

I hope that this is enough for you to accept.

in His service
c

dentonz · Jun 10, 2007

trumpeter said:
Mat. 13:49 NIV
This is how will be at the end of the age (the Second Coming).

The angels will come and separate the wicked from the righteous and throw them into the fiery furnace (hell), where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

Mat 13:41-43
The Son of Man will send out his angels, and they will weed out of his kingdom everything that causes sin and all who do evil.
They will throw them into the fiery furnace (hell), where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

Then the righteous will shine like the sun in the kingdom of their Father (the Millennium).

Mat 13:30
Let both grow together until the harvest (the Second Coming). At that time I will tell the harvesters (angels):

First collect the weeds and tie them in bundles to be burned (hell): then gather the wheat and bring it into my barn (the Millennium).

Those who are thrown into the fiery furnace are TAKEN to hell, those left behind are LEFT on earth to enter the Millennium.

As it was in the days of Noah so it will be at the Second Coming. Noah was LEFT on earth to populate it, those who died in the flood were TAKEN to hell.

At the Second Coming the wicked (goats) will be TAKEN to hell, the righteous (sheep) will be LEFT to enter the Millennium to populate the earth during the Millennium (Mat 25:34; 41).

"Have you understood all these things?" Mat. 13:51

2 Pet 3:6,7 "Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished: But as the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgement and perdition of ungodly men."

WolfBitnGodSmittn · Jun 10, 2007

if everyone will excuse my bluntness i find the left behind series very dangerous spiritually.... not only are they perpetuating a false hope of rapture before the trib, which is NOWHERE taught in the scriptures, in book 8 of the series (its called 'the mark') lahaye and jenkings actually teach that one can have the mark of the beast and still be saved... and many of their followers now hold to this doctrine.

I have debated them openly concerning this

Also the authors hold some very quesitonable ties... i suggest people find out who the reverend Sun Myung Moon is... their financial ties and cross organizational ties go back to at least the early 1980s... incedently Moon claims to be the new messiah, ordained by Christ who failed his mission, and that one day Christ will worship at his feet...

I wrote a series of articles you can find published on the net called "Christianity and the NWO, The Unholy Alliance", it is a 4 part series, with hundreds of documented sources including press releases from their own organizations... if anyone would like copies of this i will be happy to send it if you message me...

But after debating the authors openly concerning the rapture and its timing, i debated them concerning the mark of the beast... Jerry Jenkins stated "I am simply setting forth the caveat that one can receive the mark of the beast and still be saved as long as one doesn't WORSHIP the beast"

Extremely dangerous theology in my opinion... and when you consider their ties in conjunction with this teaching, i at least have to quesiton which side they are really on

Again i mean no offense to anyone here, but i have very serious concerns for the souls they may influence

garry2 · Jun 10, 2007

I have not seen or read the left behind series or seen any other movies or read any other books dealing with rapture.
I get my pre tribulation rapture belief from verses in the Bible, of which there are many.
Which many have seen but take them a diffrent way.

WolfBitnGodSmittn · Jun 10, 2007

garry2 said:
I have not seen or read the left behind series or seen any other movies or read any other books dealing with rapture.
I get my pre tribulation rapture belief from verses in the Bible, of which there are many.
Which many have seen but take them a diffrent way.

may i ask a quesiton without seeming condescending?

i came to this question myself many years ago and found it most valuable... how would you say we can determine what is sound doctrine, and what is unsound? considering the scriptures teach that there is a day when the church forsakes sound doctrine, teaching doctrines of devils and commandments of men, and places this time in the latter days, i think this is an extremely important question

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