Lack of finances=lack of faith?

should I link to places where they say other wise

I have heard Rod Parsely say that if you are not physically healed it is because of lack of faith. Creflo Dollar and Gloria Copeland both preach lack of money = lack of faith.

I do not agree with this of course. I have been physically healed from a mass that was in my chest and I do not believe my faith is greater than some people I know who have not been healed. Also, as far as money goes...tell the apostle Paul that his faith wasn't good enough ... he sat in prison cells with open sewage running through them .... he didn't live lavishly, was his faith weak...come to think of it, what about Jesus? I never saw him with worldy riches. If you feel that you MUST have financial wealth you probably are weak in your faith because you are not putting faith 100% in the Lord, you are trusting in earthly riches.

In His Service,

Sandy

I'm sorry if I jumped to conclusions, but I think that instead of saying that this is the same old same old, you could just have posted those links to begin with. So those of us who are new could see for ourselves that this is a merry-go-round of sorts.

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Fair enough. I agree and apologise if that seemed snooty.
Perhaps we should also suggest to those who continually crank up this same merry-go-round over and over that they should come to some sort of conclusion on the matter instead of just starting yet another thread filled with the same worn-out disproven assertions.
Like I have said before, I will stop beating the dead horse if you(rather they) will stop trying to ride it.
Peace

Originally posted by Andrew
quote:"Maybe it is because as they have pointed out a zillion times, they do advocate such silly notions. Susan is just continuing her usual habit of throwing up a suggestion (in the form of a "poll") that has no basis in reality, assigning that false notion to some poor victim, and then imagining she has accomplished something when virtually everyone takes sides with her."

Hobs, you took the words right outta my mouth! *LOL

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Susan, the Lord has something special for you but for time sake I'll have to tell you tomorrow.  It's good.

Bye for now,

Barbara
 

Give me one place in the Bible where we're told that the Christian life is an easy life.

It can't be found

Rather, we'll be reviled, we'll be persecuted, the world will hate us..............

Louis Booth:

I disagree with what I see as the extreme reasoning of Word of Faith, so there's no need for links for me--my own thoughts will be enough for me. Thanks though.

--tibac

Hey Susan,

I told you yesterday that I had something from the Lord for you.  So here goes . . .

The Lord wanted me to let you know that there is nothing you could do to make Him stop loving you.  Absolutly nothing.

He see's your heart and your desires.  He see's your desires to go deeper into the things of Him.

He also see's your fears.  Fears that you'll blow it.  Fears that you'll do it the wrong way.  Fears of what people might think if you step out and start trying to walk and do the things you believe He's put on your heart to do.

He wants you to know that the pure things of Him that you desire are from Him.  He wants you to know that He did not put those desires there for you to just look at and hope, that maybe, someday, they will happen.

He wants you to know that He has a special plan just for you.  Only you, Susan, can fullfill the space that God has open.

Others have said bad words about you that God wants me to let you know are untrue.  He calls you blessed! He calls you pure! He calls you holy!

He says He's calling you to come into a deeper relationship with Him. 

There are some bondages that He's wanting to set you free from.  Those bondages will begin to fall away as you draw closer to Him.  As you give Him the things that are painfull to you.  Especially, your memories.

He see's your lonliness.  He see's the times you withdraw and you feel that you don't belong.  Some of the places you find yourself in. . .you don't belong in.  And as you draw closer to God you'll find yourself less attracted to them.

He's called you to a place in Him that you think you are'nt allowed to go to.  But God say's, NOT SO!

You can go wherever I want you to go Susan.  I Am God and everybody else is not.  So keep your heart, your mind, your ears, your eyes, and your mouth under guard.  And you will understand things about Me that you never dreamed of.

I am the One Who makes crooked things straight.  I Am the One Who illiumines the darkness.  I Am the One Who calls old things gone and all things new.  I can do in and through you, Susan, whatever I choose to do.

I call you a mighty woman of God.  I call you a woman who will go out in My Name and do things that you have not dreamed of.  Those works that I will do through you are in My thoughts and you can be sure that as you submit to Me and My instruction that I will amaze you.  You will be in wide-eyed wonder at the changes that I make in you.

I, the Lord, have spoken it.  Therefore, IT IS SO!

 

Susan -----

It's not important that you totally understand what I just did.  But if you have questions I will be more than happy to answer.  I encourage you to make several copies of this.  Keep one in your wallet where you can read it when you start feeling discouraged. 

Keep one at your bed stand where you can read it every night when you go to bed and when you awake.

Keep one at your bathroom mirror, look into the mirror as you read it.  Know that it's that person you see in the mirror who God is speaking to.  It does not matter what you think you see.  God see's different.

Don't allow the devil or anyone else to steal these words from your heart.  I can promise you, the devil will try. 

When he does, you raise your fist in his face and say, "God said", and read it to him.  He'll get the point.

God bless you Susan.

In His Grip,

Barbara

 

Originally posted by seebs
I would ask the people who believe that, if you have true faith, any request you make will be granted, to *PLEASE* ask for all the cancer victims in the world to be cured *right now*.

Thank you.

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John 15:7 "If ye abide in Me, and My words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you."

It's Jesus Who said it.  Are you calling Him a lier?  Tell me, what part of "what ye will" does not mean anything?

"I disagree with what I see as the extreme reasoning of Word of Faith"

I think you miss the point. These are the primary teachers of this WOF movement that believe these unbiblical things.

"It's Jesus Who said it. Are you calling Him a lier? Tell me, what part of "what ye will" does not mean anything?"

Quaf, I think you're misunderstanding that passage a little. Its talking abotu being able to produce fruits of the spirit, and as we know they have nothing to do will healing as Paul states them This is not a licience to say you can do anything you want. Its a if its in my will you'll get it. Sometimes healing is not in God's will.

IOW Susan,

God can heal but cant protect?

God can't use you if you live in a nice home?

well, its good you say "hypothetical".

Originally posted by Susan
I think that sometimes God doesn't give us things because it isn't His best for us. Sometimes healing "right now" might be the best, however, hypothetically, let's say that you aren't healed of a miserable cold so you stay home rather than go on vacation or a business trip. The next day you find out the plane you were going to take out of town has crashed, with no survivors.

In that case, your "healing" would have also been your death.

Or let's say another hypothetical scenario. you pray for money to buy a new house. You never get the money, and you end up having to buy an older house, even worse, in a bad neighborhood. You end up talking to your new neighbor, who is having a lot of problems in her life. She mentions that she used to go to church but never understood it. You begin a discussion that, a year later, ends with her becoming a Christian.

If you had been blessed with prosperity, she may not have had the greatest blessing of all-to know Jesus as Lord and Savior.

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Would'nt it be better to live according to God's voice instead of "whatever will be will be".

God can warn me to not travel in order to keep me safe.  Or perhaps if I had been on the plane it would not have crashed because I was on it.  In the world trade center, God warned many to stay home that day (I've heard the testimonys), some listened and some did not.  God had some go on in and they were instruments of leading many out to safety(I've heard the testimonys).  We are to walk according to what God tells us, not according to what we feel. 

God can tell me exactly where to buy my house, even in a bad neighborhood.  Just because I may have the money to buy something does not mean that I won't hear God and do what He says.  Even if it means buying a house in a bad neighborhood, even though I may be able to afford better.

We are called to walk by faith not sight or circumstance.

Quaffer,
Yes God can simply warn us and if he does we should listen. But what if you are going to travel with a friend or partner who if you recieved warning and told them, they wouldn't listen. Then he would intervene somehow. I've experienced this myself a few times.

Originally posted by Susan
Sometimes God is silent, and other times He speaks through the Bible.

If you're hearing voices in your head telling you what to do on everything, then the odds are much more likely that you are ill than that you are being directly led by God.

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Um....you're not serious, right? 

So when I was driving in my car, on my way home from work back in March and I was told by God that I should call my pastor up to see if she needed help with the youth and the Confirmation class, that was really just "voices in my head"...a sign of a mental illness?

Originally posted by LouisBooth
Sometimes healing is not in God's will.

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What are you guys talking about? Hang nails? We get people who are dieing and going down for the last time. If God does not heal them, they are not going to be here much longer. Esp. in Africa where so many people were dieing from Aids. Jesus is life and health and healing, and it is His desire to heal. But people must be willing to repent and live right. They can not go right on being sinners and expect to be healed. At least when your dealing with HIV positive people. God wants to heal them, and He is healing them, but first He wants to see a change in their heart and in their attitude. In the areas we have been to in Africa, there are less people getting put in the ground.

"What are you guys talking about? "

To quote a famous song..sometimes he calms the storm, other times he calms his child.

"In the areas we have been to in Africa, there are less people getting put in the ground."

And I'm happy for that healing. I'm thinking that is more due to awerness of aids then anything else. As for the healing, sometimes God doesn't want you healed, its not in his will for some reason. I can question and keep asking, but I'm always willing to accept an answer of No or wait.

Originally posted by AngelAmidala
"voices in my head"...a sign of a mental illness?

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What sort of voices? If you talk to them, do they answer you

God can give us widsom, knowledge & understanding. He can give us His divine thoughts, He gives us the mind of Christ. He can give us a sound mind and the right attitude. But when He speaks to us, He speaks to the heart. Also, He will equip us and give us whatever power and strength we need, to do what He is calling us to do. If God calls us to do something, you can be sure that there is no way your going to be able to do it, in your own strength and ability.

To many people serve the things of this earth, and they do not serve the things of Heaven as Jesus did.