How Can We Prove That GOD Is Real Without The Bible?

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First of All why would I want to? The Bible is so much more then a religious book; it is the written Word of God. Its only weakness is the reader and his earthy carnal mind. In this beautiful book is the secrets and mysteries of God and His awesome plan for ALL mankind. One of the deep hidden mysteries is why God hides Himself to the world; But as a person grows and matures and begins to uncover the deep and awesome secrets of the Bible; God and His plan of the ages are revealed. It is like Columbus looking across the Atlantic; until he reached the shores of the New World it was a mystery. Once discovered; what a blessing
 
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Show them somthing from that the Bible fore told, that has come to pass....somthing really interesting....

Ezekiel, one of the great prophets of the Bible lived in Babylon during the time Israel was taken over and its people exiled to Babylon. God appeared to Ezekiel in a vision and gave him a prophecy that Israel would be punished for 430 years (Ezek. 4:3-6). For God was fed up with His people's iniquities, and they would be dispersed from their homeland for a trial period.

The land of the Jews was ruled by the Babylonians for 70 years, and for much of that time, many Jews were held as exiles in Babylon. But in the spring of 536 BC, they were allowed to return to Jerusalem by the Persian King Cyrus, after the Persians overthrew the Babylonians. Subtracting the 70 years from the 430, we are left with 360 years of further punishment. Israel did not repent of its sins after 70 years, and most of the nation did not return to Israel. The majority stayed as colonists in what is now Iraq-Iran. 360 years later the Jews still did not fully return to Israel, and nothing significant happened. Why were the Jews still being punished by God 360 years after the Babylonian captivity ended? The answer is in the book of Leviticus. Four times in this book, in chapter 26, God tells Israel, that if she did not repent, she would be punished seven times more for her sins.

Now take the 360 years and multiply it by 7, and you get 2,520 Biblical years. A Biblical year is 360 days, as reaffirmed in the Bible. The Jewish year of Biblical times was lunar-solar and had only 360 days. Therefore the end of the punishment and restoration to Israel would be accomplished in 2,520 years of 360 days each. Multiply the 2,520 years by the 360 days, and we get 907,200 days. Converting this figure into our calendar year of 365.25 days, by dividing 365.25 into 907,200 days we reach a total of 2,438.8 calendar years. Therefore, the end of Israel's worldwide captivity would occur after a total of 2,438.8 years had elapsed from the spring of 536 BC. Keep in mind there is only one year between 1 BC and AD 1. Now add the 2,438.8 years to 536 BC, and we come to the spring of 1948. In the spring of 1948, on May 14th, an event took place that shocked the world. The Jews proclaimed the independence of the reborn state of Israel. The Jewish people celebrated the end of their worldwide dispersion and captivity at the exact time prophesied thousands of years earlier by the prophet Ezekiel.

There are other prophecies that can be proved by mathematics, but to me this one is special. It shows that God, the One Who invented mathematics, and the One Who inspired Ezekiel to write this prophesy, is still on the throne of this universe and is still in control of events.

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Christ is among us!



Read upon writings of the Fathers, especially those who lived before First and glorious imperial council of Nicaea.

Our fathers among saints who answered unbelievers, heretics, Jews and Greek Philosophers argued based on non scriptural methodology in many of the instances.

I would highly recommend Dialogue with the Jew Trypho by St. Justin Martyr – and then St. Clement the Roman, St. Polycarpus of Smyrna, St. Ignatius of Antioch (Theophorus), St. Clement of Alexandria etc.

Also, if you need a good help visit monachos.net for help in these issues.

Above all, praying to the Lord and calling upon Divine wisdom is a great fortune for a crossbearer in this world.

Listen not to heretics.

Many years.
 
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As SpiritDriven says, "Show them something from that the Bible fore-told."

92 Prophecies of King David
Fulfilled in Jesus Christ and His Church​

The Messiah would also be rejected by Gentiles.
Psalm 2:1
Acts 4:25-28

Political/religious leaders would conspire against the Messiah.
Psalm 2:2
Matthew 26:3-4
Mark 3:6

The Messiah would be King of the Jews.
Psalm 2:6
John 12:12-13
John 18:32

The Messiah would be the Son of God.
Psalm 2:7a
Luke 1:31-35
Matthew 3:16-17
Hebrews 1:5-6

The Messiah would reveal that He was the Son of God.
Psalm 2:7b
John 9:35-37

The Messiah would be raised from the dead and be crowned King.
Psalm 2:7c
Acts 13:30-33
Romans 1:3-4

The Messiah would ask God for His inheritance.
Psalm 2:8a
John 17:4-24

The Messiah would have complete authority over all things.
Psalm 2:8b
Matthew 28:18
Hebrews 1:1-2

The Messiah would not acknowledge those who did not believe in Him.
Psalm 2:12
John 3:36

Infants would give praise to the Messiah.
Psalm 8:2
Matthew 21:15-16

The Messiah would have complete authority over all things.
Psalm 8:6
Matthew 28:18

The Messiah would be resurrected.
Psalm 16:8-10a
Matthew 28:6
Acts 2:25-32

The Messiah's body would not see corruption (natural decay).
Psalm 16:8-10b
Acts 13:35-37

The Messiah would be glorified into the presence of God.
Psalm 16:11
Acts 2:25-33

The Messiah would come for all people.
Psalm 18:49
Ephesians 3:4-6

The Messiah would cry out to God.
Psalm 22:1a
Matthew 27:46

The Messiah would be forsaken by God at His crucifixion.
Psalm 22:1b
Mark 15:34

The Messiah would pray without ceasing before His
death.
Psalm 22:2
Matthew 26:38-39

The Messiah would be despised and rejected by His own.
Psalm 22:6
Luke 23:21-23

The Messiah would be made a mockery.
Psalm 22:7
Matthew 27:39

Unbelievers would say to the Messiah, "He trusted in God, let Him now deliver Him."
Psalm 22:8
Matthew 27:41-43

The Messiah would know His Father from childhood.
Psalm 22:9
Luke 2:40

The Messiah would be called by God while in the womb.
Psalm 22:10
Luke 1:30-33

The Messiah would be abandoned by His disciples.
Psalm 22:11
Mark 14:50

The Messiah would be encompassed by evil spirits.
Psalm 22:12-13
Colossians 2:15

The Messiah's body would emit blood & water.
Psalm 22:14a
John 19:34

The Messiah would be crucified.
Psalm 22:14b
Matthew 27:35

The Messiah would thirst while dying.
Psalm 22:15a
John 19:28

The Messiah would thirst just prior to His death.
Psalm 22:15b
John 19:30

The Messiah would be observed by Gentiles at His crucifixion.
Psalm 22:16a
Luke 23:36

The Messiah would be observed by Jews at His crucifixion.
Psalm 22:16b
Matthew 27:41-43

Messiah crucified: Both the Messiah's hands and feet would be pierced.
Psalm 22:16c
Matthew 27:38

The Messiah's bones would not be broken.
Psalm 22:17a
John 19:32-33

The Messiah would be viewed by many during His crucifixion.
Psalm 22:17b
Luke 23:35

The Messiah's garments would be parted among the soldiers.
Psalm 22:18a
John 19:23-24

The soldiers would cast lots for the Messiah's clothes.
Psalm 22:18b
John 19:23-24

The Messiah's atonement would enable believers to receive salvation.
Psalm 22:22
Hebrews 2:10-12
Matthew 12:50
John 20:14

The Messiah's enemies would stumble and fall.
Psalm 27:2
John 18:3-6

The Messiah would be accused by false witnesses.
Psalm 27:12
Matthew 26:59-61

The Messiah would cry out to God "Into thy hands I commend my spirit."
Psalm 31:5
Luke 23:46

There would be many attempts to kill the Messiah.
Psalm 31:13
Matthew 27:1

The Messiah would have no bones broken.
Psalm 34:20
John 19:32-33

The Messiah would be accused by many false witnesses.
Psalm 35:11
Mark 14:55-59

The Messiah would be hated without cause.
Psalm 35:19
John 18:19-23
John 15:24-25

The Messiah would be silent as a lamb before His accusers.
Psalm 38:13-14
Matthew 26:62-63

The Messiah would be God's sacrificial lamb for redemption of all mankind.
Psalm 40:6-8a
Hebrews 10:10-13

The Messiah would reveal that the Hebrew scriptures were written of Him.
Psalm 40:6-8b
Luke 24:44
John 5:39-40

The Messiah would do God's (His Father) will.
Psalm 40:7-8
John 5:30

The Messiah would not conceal His mission from believing people.
Psalm 40:9-10
Luke 4:16-21

The Messiah would be betrayed by one of His own disciples.
Psalm 41:9
Mark 14:17-18

The Messiah would communicate a message of mercy.
Psalm 45:2
Luke 4:22

The Messiah's throne would be eternal.
Psalm 45:6-7a
Luke 1:31-33
Hebrews 1:8-9

The Messiah would be God.
Psalm 45:6-7b
Hebrews 1:8-9

The Messiah would act with righteousness.
Psalm 45:6-7c
John 5:30

The Messiah would be betrayed by one of His own disciples.
Psalm 55:12-14
Luke 22:47-48

The Messiah would ascend back into heaven.
Psalm 68:18a
Luke 24:51
Ephesians 4:8

The Messiah would give good gifts unto believing men.
Psalm 68:18b
Matthew 10:1
Ephesians 4:7-11

The Messiah would be hated and rejected without cause.
Psalm 69:4
Luke 23:13-22
John 15:24-25

The Messiah would be condemned for God's sake.
Psalm 69:7
Mat. 26:65-67

The Messiah would be rejected by the Jews.
Psalm 69:8a
John 1:11

The Messiah's very own brothers would reject Him.
Psalm 69:8b
John 7:3-5

The Messiah would become angry due to unethical practices by the Jews in the temple.
Psalm 69:9a
John 2:13-17

The Messiah would be condemned for God's sake.
Psalm 69:9b
Romans 15:3

The Messiah's heart would be broken.
Psalm 69:20a
John 19:34

The Messiah's disciples would abandon Him just prior to His death.
Psalm 69:20b
Mark 14:33-41

The Messiah would be offered gall mingled with vinegar while dying.
Psalm 69:21a
Matthew 27:34

The Messiah would thirst while dying.
Psalm 69:21b
John 19:28

The potters field would be uninhabited (Field of Blood).
Psalm 69:25
Acts 1:16-20

The Messiah would teach in parables.
Psalm 78:2
Mat.13:34-35

The Messiah would be exalted to the right hand of God.
Psalm 80:17
Acts 5:31

The Messiah would come form the lineage of David.
Psalm 89:3-4
Matthew 1:1

The Messiah would call God His Father.
Psalm 89:26
Matthew 11:27

The Messiah would be God's only "begotten" Son.
Psalm 89:27
Mark 16:6
Colossians 1:18
Revelation 1:5

The Messiah would come from the lineage of David.
Psalm 89:29
Matthew 1:1

The Messiah would come from the lineage of David.
Psalm 89:35-36
Matthew 1:1

The Messiah would be eternal.
Psalm 102:25-27a
Revelation 1:8
Hebrews 1:10-12

The Messiah would be the creator of all things.
Psalm 102:25-27b
John 1:3
Ephesians 3:9
Hebrews 1:10-12

The Messiah would calm the stormy sea.
Psalm 107:28-29
Matthew 8:24-26

The Messiah would be accused by many false witnesses.
Psalm 109:2
John 18:29-30

The Messiah would offer up prayer for His enemies.
Psalm 109:4
Luke 23:34

The Messiah's betrayer (Judas) would have a short life.
Psalm 109:8a
Acts 1:16-18
John 17:12

The Messiah's betrayer would be replaced by another.
Psalm 109:8b
Acts 1:20-26

The Messiah would be mocked by many.
Psalm 109:25
Mark 15:29-30

The Messiah would be Lord and King.
Psalm 110:1a
Mat. 22:41-45

The Messiah would be exalted to the right hand of God.
Psalm 110:1b
Mark 16:19
Mat. 22:41-46

The Messiah would be a Priest after the order of Melchisedec.
Psalm 110:4
Hebrews 6:17-20

The Messiah would be exalted to the right hand of God.
Psalm 110:5
1 Peter 3:21-22

The Messiah would be the "Stone" rejected by the builders (Jews).

Psalm 118:22

Mat.21:42-43

The Messiah would come in the name of the Lord.
Psalm 118:26
Matthew 21:9

The Messiah would come from the lineage of David.
Psalm 132:11
Matthew 1:1

The Messiah would come from the lineage of David.
Psalm 132:17
Matthew 1:1
Luke 1:68-70



Messianic Prophecies
Separated By Bible Book​

Genesis Prophecies



The Messiah would be born of the "seed" of a woman.
Genesis 3:15a
Luke 1:34-35

The Messiah would successfully defeat Satan.
Genesis 3:15b
1 John 3:8

The Messiah would suffer when redeeming man to God.
Genesis 3:15c
1 Peter 3:18

The Messiah would come from the lineage of Seth.
Genesis 4:25
Luke 3:23-38

The Messiah would come from the lineage of Shem.
Genesis 9:26
Luke 3:23-36

The Messiah would come from the lineage of Abraham.
Genesis 12:3
Matthew 1:1

The Messiah would come from the lineage of Isaac.
Genesis 17:19
Luke 3:23-34

The Messiah would come from the lineage of Abraham.
Genesis 18:17-18a
Matthew 1:1

The Messiah would be the redeemer for all nations.
Genesis 18:17-18b
Acts 3:24-26

The Messiah would come form the lineage of Isaac.
Genesis 21:12
Luke 3:23-34

The Messiah would be God's "Sacrificial Lamb".
Genesis 22:8
John 1:29
Romans 8:3-4
1 Corinthians 5:7

The Messiah would come from the lineage of Abraham.
Genesis 22:18a
Galatians 3:16

The Messiah would be the redeemer for all nations.
Genesis 22:18b
Galatians 3:14

The Messiah would come from the lineage of Isaac.
Genesis 26:4
Luke 3:23-34

The Messiah would come from the lineage of Jacob.
Genesis 28:14a
Luke 3:23-34

The Messiah would be the redeemer for all nations.
Genesis 28:14b
Galatians 3:26-29

The Messiah would come from the lineage of Judah.
Genesis 49:10a
Luke 3:23-33

The Messiah would gather all people before Him.
Genesis 49:10b
Luke 12:1
Mark 1:45

The Messiah would be the "vine" of all living.
Genesis 49:11
John 15:1-5



Exodus Prophecies:

The Messiah's bones would not be broken during crucifixion.
Exodus 12:46
John 19:32-33

Numbers Prophecies:
OT Scripture
NT Fulfillment
The Messiah's bones would not be broken during crucifixion. Numbers 9:12 John 19:32-33
The Messiah would be God's "Star." Numbers 24:17 Revelation 22:16



Deuteronomy Prophecies:

The Messiah would be a Prophet as man.
Deut. 18:15
Matthew 21:11

The Messiah would be a Prophet as man.
Deut. 18:18a
Matthew 21:11

The Messiah would speak God's "Will and Word."
Deut. 18:18b
John 12:49

The Messiah would become a curse for the redemption of man.
Deut. 21:23
Galatians 3:13

The Messiah would be worshiped by Angels and men at His birth.
Deut. 32:43
Luke 2:13-14




Ruth Prophecies:

The Messiah would come from the lineage of Boaz & Ruth.
Ruth 4:12-17
Luke 3:23-32




1st. Samuel Prophecies:

The Messiah would be exalted by God with power and glory.
1 Samuel 2:10
Matthew 28:18
1 Peter 3:22




2nd. Samuel Prophecies:

The Messiah would come from the lineage of David.
2 Samuel 7:12-13
Matthew 1:1

The Messiah would be the Son of God.
2 Samuel 7:13-14
Matthew 3:16-17

The Messiah would come from the lineage of David.
2 Samuel 7:16
Matthew 1:1

The Messiah would come for all people.
2 Samuel 22:50
Romans 15:8-9

The Messiah would be the "Spiritual Rock."
2 Samuel 23:2-4a
1 Corinthians 10:4

The Messiah would be like the "Light of the Morning."
2 Samuel 23:2-4b
Revelation 22:16




1st. Chronicles Prophecies:

The Messiah would come from the lineage of Judah.
1 Chronicles 5:2
Luke 3:23-33

The Messiah would come from the lineage of David.
1 Chr. 17:11-12a
Luke 3:23-31

The Messiah's kingdom would be eternal.
1 Chr. 17:11-12b
Luke 1:32-33

The Messiah would be the Son of God.
1 Chr. 17:13-14
Matthew 3:16-17
John 12:28-30




Job Prophecies:

Yeshua would stand at the latter day upon earth.
Job 19:25-27
John 5:24-29




Proverb Prophecies:

The Messiah would be from everlasting to everlasting.
Proverbs 8:22-23
John 17:5

The Messiah would ascend and descend to and from heaven.
Proverbs 30:4a
John 3:13
John 6:38
Mark 16:19

God would have a "begotten" Son.
Proverbs 30:4b
Matthew 3:16-17
 
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Tell them to repent...which means to turn to Jesus....tell them to focus on him....if they want answers this is between them and Jesus......and once they confess their sins and worship Jesus thanking him.....watch out! because God does touch us during those times.....God reveals himself ........

The closer we draw to God the more we feel him.....


We don't need the bible to have God.....but the bible sure does help to understand things......especially if we want to reach out to others.....
 
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... I don't know that we can prove anything; there is this thing called "faith" :)

... but we can hope to "show forth Christ" in us through the Holy Spirit

we act, kinda, as Christ's hands. To the extent that we can show Him forth in love (the act, not the feeling).

in His body, some of us are 'little toes', others 'arms', others 'tongues'

sometimes the best way is to speak, other times not - but to accept the Holy Spirit to fill and guide us.

whatever "part" we play in the salvation of others, whatever our weakness that Christ uses to God's glory -- we may not see "the fruit" in the other. We can "do what we are asked to do", it is Christ who will "see the outcome" ....

... if any of this makes sense :doh:
 
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Tell them to repent...which means to turn to Jesus....tell them to focus on him....if they want answers this is between them and Jesus......and once they confess their sins and worship Jesus thanking him.....watch out! because God does touch us during those times.....God reveals himself ........

The closer we draw to God the more we feel him.....
this is how I became a Christian, If your motive is good, ask God if He is real, and He'll answer.
 
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