Are you saved?

The only thing that saves us is the grace of God. Now I do not believe in the Once Saved Always Saved doctrine because say someone is a born-again Christian and then decide in the future that they no longer believe in Christ. Surely that's them throwing away the gift of Salvation?

Hoankan said:

For me, I can never stand there and say I am saved, for I know that then I would turn my back on Christ in pride and arrogance. I will always be the taxman standing outside the temple thumping my chest and calling on Christ and God to have mercy on me a sinner. And then I go and work on my sins to be a better servant of my Lord and Savior.

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When we come to Christ we die to self and our new life is hidden in Him. It is not about us anymore or about what we do, but about Him and what He did for us. He works in us to change us. He gave us the gift of His righteousness. Any good that I do is a result of Jesus working in me.

Galatians 4 "4But when the fullness of time had come, God sent forth his Son, born of woman, born under the law, 5to redeem those who were under the law, so that we might receive adoption as sons. 6And because you are sons, God has sent the Spirit of his Son into our hearts, crying, "Abba! Father!" 7So you are no longer a slave, but a son, and if a son, then an heir through God."

The only way I can comprehend that you would say that you would turn your back in pride if you said you were saved was if you believed you are saved by your works. If you believe salvation is by grace through faith alone I don't believe you would come to that conclusion.

Yes, I am saved!! I am saved by what Jesus did!! I have done nothing to deserve salvation. Grace comes with no strings attached. If it did it would not be grace.

GodsoldierClintus said:

The only thing that saves us is the grace of God. Now I do not believe in the Once Saved Always Saved doctrine because say someone is a born-again Christian and then decide in the future that they no longer believe in Christ. Surely that's them throwing away the gift of Salvation?

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I agree. Salvation is by grace through faith alone. I don't believe someone who no longer believes in Jesus as their Savior is saved.

The thing for me is that I would lose salvation because of arrogance. I have said several times that I am saved, I am being saved, and through the grace of God I believe that I will be saved at the day of Judgement.

If I just said 'I'm saved' it implies that I am special. That somehow God chose me to be saved. As I have said before, Christ died on the cross to save all of mankind from our sins. Each and every one of us was saved so in that regard I am not special.

I am being saved because I am carrying my cross. I face my sins and with the help of God (and I do means lots and lots of help) I have brought many of my temptations and sins under control, only to find that the sin runs deeper and more work must be done. Faith may save, but without these works, I would not be growing closer to Christ and God nor would my faith grow either and that is what I want, to grow closer and grow stronger in faith.

The last part is because Judgement Day has not come yet. We haven't been saved yet from that because it has not happened. Also maybe at the last moment in my life I suddenly doubt God and turn my back on him. Likewise, the thief who died with Christ embraced God finally and thus became a prodigal. However, we already know the word of God so is it not better to live a life with God and Christ all our days than to wait till the very last minute?

Soy by saying 'I am saved' I would be feeding my ego and moving away from God and that is what I don't want.

edited, sorry folks, i shouldn't have posted all i have in this thread.

KGP said:

I've got a problem with people who claim they are born again saved Christians. Who gave them the authority to declare themselves "Saved", and look down on others saying they are condemned sinners. Saved from what?

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Those so called "Saved" Christians are no different from the scribes and the pharisees of Jesus' time.

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Luke 18:9 "To some who were confident of their own righteousness and looked down on everybody else, Jesus told this parable: "Two men went up to the temple to pray, one a Pharisee and the other a tax collector. The Pharisee stood up and prayed about himself: 'God, I thank you that I am not like other men—robbers, evildoers, adulterers—or even like this tax collector. I fast twice a week and give a tenth of all I get.'" But the tax collector stood at a distance. He would not even look up to heaven, but beat his breast and said, 'God, have mercy on me, a sinner.' "I tell you that this man, rather than the other, went home justified before God. For everyone who exalts himself will be humbled, and he who humbles himself will be exalted."

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Jesus never ever said we must be saved, however Jesus did encourage us to repent and enter into the Kingdom of God.​

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Who gave oyu the right to look down on people who refer to themselves as saved and to judge them???

edited, sorry folks, i shouldn't have posted all i have in this thread.

edited, sorry folks, i shouldn't have posted all i have in this thread.

A couple of things;

At no time have I ever meant to attack or accuse anyone.

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I go and work on my sins to be a better servant of my Lord and Savior.
i am glad you also feel you are a better servant than I. Where did I ever say I don't work on my sins????

very humble one you are. not

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This was never intended to be an attack or judgement upon you or anyone else but mearly stating what I do. If I offended, I appologize for my errors. I am not the best with putting my thoughts into words and I know that can lead to problems. Once again I appologize and hope that you shall forgive me.

Second, please do not yell. At all times I thought we were having a civil conversation even though we disagreed and debated.

You are right, all Christians are saints, but not all Christians are Saints. The difference is hard for me to describe and I would suggest you ask them for a clearer definition than I could ever hope to provide. You can find them in The Ancient Way.

With regards to you accusing me of putting myself before God, that is my poor wording choice. I said I was saved by Christ through His dying on the cross. I said by Him taking up my sins and helping me as I choose to confront my sins He is saving me again. And through Him will I be saved in the day of Judgement. The only thing I have done is chosen to accept Him as my Savior, to try to face my sins with His help and grow in my faith. He came first and always will go before me.

And yes, you are right. If I let it, my arrogance can blind me to things. I tried the born again route, love Christ and accept him and I am saved through faith alone. But that did not help my sins, my arrogance and pride and other sins drowning me spiritually, always getting worse.

I am a sinner, and may our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ have mercy on me for it. I love Christ and I love him in a way that I cannot describe. I pray for mercy every night and every morning and through his love and compassion he has helped me face my sins and over come some of them and grow closer.

Once again I am sorry if I have offended you for anything I have said. I will take my leave now.

You all should know the OP is someone who posted in another thread here of his creating that he does not believe Jesus is God. . . . just a man equal to you and me . . . .


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Hoankan said:

True, Christ died on the cross for us and through his death and conquering of death all of humanity is saved.

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All of humanity is not saved.. where did you hear that..? I would agree that all sin is atoned for through the perfect sacrifice of our Lord Jesus Christ, although that doesn't mean that all accept that free gift which is offered to them.

We have no choice in this. Nor do we have a choice to have a relationship with Christ.

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I have no idea where you are getting this idea from.. can you show us what you're talking about scripturally ?

If a person is not saved, then they do not have a relationship or fellowship with God. They're still lost in trespasses and in sins.

However, we do have a choice to accept his salvation and his love for us and pick up our cross and follow him. We could choose to turn our back on Christ and our relationship would be that of ignoring him or running from him(as Athiests do), but it is our choice and it is a choice that ever person has to make.

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Again.. you sound as though salvation is dependent upon you. It is not. It is not merited, not in any way shape or form, it is a free gift offered to all and it is upon all those that believe and receive it in faith.

KGP said:

I've got a problem with people who claim they are born again saved Christians. Who gave them the authority to declare themselves "Saved", and look down on others saying they are condemned sinners. Saved from what?

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Uh... I thought that this was part of the Christians Only part of the forum. If you don't believe in the truth that people receive Salvation through the work of Jesus on the Cross then you are not a Christian in the way that most people would understand Christians to be.

Therefore, what are you doing posting here?

Wow, I don't know any of those sinless born-again believers!

I am a born-again believer of Messiah who has been saved from the lake of fire! I am definitely not sinless, though I do not sin like I used to before I repented. And I am not arrogant about being saved - I am tooo grateful to God for what he has done in my life to be arrogant. It was all Him, not me!

For those who believe in OSAS...what is your take on these verses?
Matthew 10:22You will be hated by all because of my name, but whoever endures to the end will be saved.
Matthew 24:10 And then many will be led into sin; they will betray and hate one another. 11 Many false prophets will arise and deceive many; 12 and because of the increase of evildoing, the love of many will grow cold. 13 But the one who perseveres to the end will be saved.


Mark 13:13 You will be hated by all because of my name. But the one who perseveres to the end will be saved.

Perhaps those who trust in themselves can explain how that they saved themselves..

StTherese said:

For those who believe in OSAS...what is your take on these verses?
Matthew 10:22You will be hated by all because of my name, but whoever endures to the end will be saved.
Matthew 24:10 And then many will be led into sin; they will betray and hate one another. 11 Many false prophets will arise and deceive many; 12 and because of the increase of evildoing, the love of many will grow cold. 13 But the one who perseveres to the end will be saved.


Mark 13:13 You will be hated by all because of my name. But the one who perseveres to the end will be saved.

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Well if you read the full context of the scripture it will show what Jesus was talking about.. This will be in the day of persecution..

edited, sorry folks, i shouldn't have posted all i have in this thread.

edited, sorry folks, i shouldn't have posted all i have in this thread.

Hoankan said:

The thing for me is that I would lose salvation because of arrogance. I have said several times that I am saved, I am being saved, and through the grace of God I believe that I will be saved at the day of Judgement.

If I just said 'I'm saved' it implies that I am special. That somehow God chose me to be saved. As I have said before, Christ died on the cross to save all of mankind from our sins. Each and every one of us was saved so in that regard I am not special.

I am being saved because I am carrying my cross. I face my sins and with the help of God (and I do means lots and lots of help) I have brought many of my temptations and sins under control, only to find that the sin runs deeper and more work must be done. Faith may save, but without these works, I would not be growing closer to Christ and God nor would my faith grow either and that is what I want, to grow closer and grow stronger in faith.

The last part is because Judgement Day has not come yet. We haven't been saved yet from that because it has not happened. Also maybe at the last moment in my life I suddenly doubt God and turn my back on him. Likewise, the thief who died with Christ embraced God finally and thus became a prodigal. However, we already know the word of God so is it not better to live a life with God and Christ all our days than to wait till the very last minute?

Soy by saying 'I am saved' I would be feeding my ego and moving away from God and that is what I don't want.

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We say we are saved because the Holy Spirit bears witness in us that we are the children of God. It is not arrogance what so ever but a knowing. It is an assurance that our Father has given us. What an awesome peace it is to those of us that Know that we are the children of God. It brings a peace that surpasses all understanding of men as Christ said He gives to us..
Joh 14:27 "Peace I leave with you; My peace I give to you; not as the world gives do I give to you. Do not let your heart be troubled, nor let it be fearful.