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So do I but I have to be obedient to the one who has sent me. He tells me what to say, when to say it and where I am to say it.

He is in control of the situation and the circumstances and there are certain individuals he is trying to reach. That means he has to work within the limits of this forum. Yes a lot of his message offends certain individuals. A lot of His message offended the same type of individuals back nearly 2007 years ago. The message has not changed. Likewise what people choose to believe has not changed either.

The Jews at the base of Mount Sinai demanded that they have something physical that they can see, touch and feel so they could feel the presence of God so they built for themselves a golden calf that through the golden calf they might talk to God. Many people today are demanding the same thing so they cling to their religious beliefs and doctrines.

Only problem is that God wants to have a loving personal relationship with each of us. He has made it possible for us to talk directly to Him anywhere and at any time we want to. He wants us to look upon him like we do our earthly fathers or the earthly father we wish we had. He wants to be a bigger part of our lives than our earthly fathers were while we were small children growing up. He wants to play and laugh with us. He wants to hold us when we are hurt and fix our booboos when we fall down. Our God wants more than anything to be our best friend and confident.

Our God hates religions because religions prevent or keeps us from having that personal relationship He so desperately wants to have with us His Creation. Our Heavenly Father wants us to have an unrestricted relationship with him like Adam and Eve had with Him before they fell into sin.
God hates religion? Then why did he start Judaism? Or do you think that was Moses idea?
 
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god never started any isms, he also will not start any in the future.
isms are labels that humans create that they can pretend they are in control.

that was another nearly inspired comment from

Markus

sorry, can´t give any scripture reference so it might be wrong ;)
 
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L3g3nd There are no errors. My Father has stated the history as it happened. The only reason why you believe you see errors is that the true history contradicts what you choose to believe. Therefore since you choose to believe it there is no reasoning with you.


You have no proof of your assertions; you claim to be speaking for God, but you are speaking against confirmed historical truths. You are a false prophet.

English is the international language spoken by a lot of people today yet just like with Greek not every body can speak, read or write English. There are places today where the vast majority of the people cannot speak, read or write English. Mexico is one of them, Vietnam is another and Saudi Arabia is yet another while Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Syria, Iran and most of China cannot speak read or write English.


You are correct that English has not penetrated many nations, but the occupied Israel of the apostolic era was different. Under the Empire (and under the Hellenistic kingships that flourished before it), Greek became incredibly common, and was found in all major centers of the empire, including Jerusalem.

The common Jews of Yeshua’s day could not speak, read or write Greek neither could the common Roman. The common Roman only knew Latin. That is why the first Bible was translated into Latin. Greek was a language used by the educated elite such as Paul and not the common man. Acts the 4 Chapter the 14 verse clearly states that the disciples were unlearned and ignorant men. They only know Hebrew. Yeshua taught the people in the language they understood which was Hebrew.


You're wrong. In fact, you're wrong on two accounts. Firstly, Koine Greek along with Aramaic were the common languages at this period in and around Jerusalem, and many of Christ's followers (particularly a man like Matthew, who was a publican) very well may have had a working literacy in Greek (in other words, they were able to converse in the language sufficiently to live their lives in an Empire were it was ubiquitous). Secondly, it is unlikely that any common Jew could have written and read Hebrew. Do you think Peter, a fisherman, was proficient in Hebrew? Unless given the ability by the Holy Spirit or writing through a secretary, the Apostles would more than likely not have been able to produce the New Testament.

Writings from that time period discovered in Israel have been written in Hebrew. The Dead Sea scrolls (Hebrew: מגילות ים המלח) comprise roughly 825-872 documents, including texts from the Hebrew Bible. Most all of the original writing by the first disciples were actually written and recorded in Hebrew then translated later into Greek or Latin depending on who did the translating and when it was first translated. Then in the 14th Century the Bible was translated from Latin into English by John Wycliffe.


Can you provide academic sources that back up your claim that the autographs were in Hebrew? Nearly every Scripture scholar on the planet would disagree with you.

Since the 2 Testaments cannot agree we must go to the original Hebrew or Yeshua as the Lord’s proper and/or given name. I’m sure my friend Juan would answer me if every time I called him I called his name Cadillac or Buick or Eddy or George. His name is Juan. Well guess what the Lord’s name is Yeshua and yes he too gets upset when people do not address him by his name.

You realize that the English word "Lord" is not found in the Hebrew, yes? In that case, you are committing the "error" of not calling Him by His real name. This argument is ridiculous.
 
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Man is the laziest creature living on this planet. Men strive to create massive machines and extremely complex devices to make their lives easier. The least amount of effort involved in doing any task and men are satisfied. That is until someone designs a device what requires even less effort on their part.

Man is not, I repeat IS NOT lazy at all. Man is very industrial.
I am a certified animal behavioralist and can tell you that most creatures living on this planet, with possibly ants and bee's being an exception in the insect world and a few other mammals being exceptions are lazier by far than Man.

That is neither biblical or in any other way correct.

That being so, the rest of your thread is suspect.
 
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Man is not, I repeat IS NOT lazy at all. Man is very industrial.
I am a certified animal behavioralist and can tell you that most creatures living on this planet, with possibly ants and bee's being an exception in the insect world and a few other mammals being exceptions are lazier by far than Man.

That is neither biblical or in any other way correct.

That being so, the rest of your thread is suspect.

I think this is a good point; man's tendency to create labor-saving devices does not point to laziness, but God-given ingenuity.
 
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My avatar takes umbrage at your statement.

LOLOL!

This member still believes that Hslop's claims in The Two Babylon's are true even though they were debunked decades ago by one of his most avid followers after researching the facts . . . .


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Amor Vincit Omnia - God never started any religions. Religions place the teachings of men and the doctrines of men above His Commandments and His teachings. God said:

And God spake all these words, saying, I am the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. Thou shalt have no other gods before me. Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth: Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me; And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments. Exodus 20:1-6

Satan created religions to mislead and deceive nations and generations by giving men something physical that they can feel, see and feel like they are apart of. Just like the golden calf spoken of in Exodus. That is why Yahweh gives us His Holy Spirit.

But the comforter, which is the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you. John 14:26

Therefore if we have Yehewh’s Holy Spirit what need have we of the teachings of men? Do you really think any man is smarter or better able to teach us than Yahweh himself? But men are basically lazy and would much rather sit and listen to Satan’s disciples spouting lies than they would to go before their Heavenly Father and be taught sitting at His feet by him directly. Satan tells men that they are unworthy to stand before GOD therefore they must go through some idol to talk to God. We have been given total and complete access to the Holy of Hollies and are able to walk directly up to our Fathers throne and talk directly with him at any time and as often we so desire. Therefore what need do we have of go betweens? As a matter of fact our Heavenly Father loves to sit down with us and talk with us and play with us. We are Our Father’s Children. I personally love to play in the Holy of Holies with all of the other saints.

Yes just as hell is a very real place so to is the Holy of Holies where My Heavenly Father’s throne is. My brother Yeshua’s throne is on my Heavenly Father’s right side and there are 12 judgment seats 6 on each side for the 12 judges of Israel.

Yeshua said “I am the way the truth and the Life. No man comes unto the Father but by me. There is no other way to get into heaven. It is only by the blood of Yeshua that men are sanctified Holy by our Heavenly Father, washed clean of their sin. It is only through Yehweh’s great love that He calls us His children.
 
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Imana Have you not read?

But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in. Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye devour widows' houses, and for a pretence make long prayer: therefore ye shall receive the greater damnation. Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves. Woe unto you, ye blind guides, which say, Whosoever shall swear by the temple, it is nothing; but whosoever shall swear by the gold of the temple, he is a debtor! Ye fools and blind: for whether is greater, the gold, or the temple that sanctifieth the gold? And, Whosoever shall swear by the altar, it is nothing; but whosoever sweareth by the gift that is upon it, he is guilty. Ye fools and blind: for whether is greater, the gift, or the altar that sanctifieth the gift? Whoso therefore shall swear by the altar, sweareth by it, and by all things thereon. And whoso shall swear by the temple, sweareth by it, and by him that dwelleth therein. And he that shall swear by heaven, sweareth by the throne of God, and by him that sitteth thereon. Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone. Ye blind guides, which strain at a gnat, and swallow a camel. Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye make clean the outside of the cup and of the platter, but within they are full of extortion and excess. Thou blind Pharisee, cleanse first that which is within the cup and platter, that the outside of them may be clean also. Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are like unto whited sepulchres, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead men's bones, and of all uncleanness. Even so ye also outwardly appear righteous unto men, but within ye are full of hypocrisy and iniquity. Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because ye build the tombs of the prophets, and garnish the sepulchres of the righteous, And say, If we had been in the days of our fathers, we would not have been partakers with them in the blood of the prophets. Wherefore ye be witnesses unto yourselves, that ye are the children of them which killed the prophets. Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers. Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?

Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city: That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar. Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation. O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not! Behold, your house is left unto you desolate. For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord. Matthew 23:13-39

Yeshua never ordained a “Church” as we know it today just as he never ordained Judaism. Have you not read Beware the leaven of the Pharisees and the Sadducees? Paul is a liar.
 
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Imana - Just as Yeshua spoke out against the quote church of his day and their religious leaders he is still speaking out against the church and organized religion today.

The church is a harlot who has sold her soul to idols and idolatry. She is a harlot of Babylon who seeks after the gods of Baal to worship them.
 
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Paul is a liar.

You're referring to St. Paul, I assume?

The more you go on, the clearer it becomes that you are a false prophet and a fraud. Have you not read about the Church that was clearly established in the New Testament?
 
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L3g3nd – I see you are calling every Biblical Archaeologist a liar then. Just because they just happen to disagree with standing religious beliefs. Well standing religious beliefs as well as Archaeologist facts change almost daily yet Yahweh is the same yesterday, today, and forever.

There are some mines just North of Jerusalem where the Jews were forced to Work. On the wall of the mine are inscriptions glorifying Yahweh and El and they are written in Hebrew not Greek.

The Dead Sea scrolls (Hebrew: מגילות ים המלח) comprise roughly 850 documents, including texts from the Hebrew Bible, discovered between 1947 and 1956 in eleven caves in and around the Wadi Qumran (near the ruins of the ancient settlement of Khirbet Qumran, on the northwest shore of the Dead Sea) in the West Bank. The texts are of great religious and historical significance, as they are practically the only known surviving Biblical documents written before AD 100.

Many of the scrolls are now housed in the Shrine of the Book in Jerusalem.
About 80% to 85% of the Dead Sea Scrolls are written in one of three dialects of Hebrew,[4] Biblical Hebrew (also known as Classical Hebrew), "Dead Sea Scroll Hebrew" (on which see Hoffman 2004 or Qimron 1986), or proto-Tannaitic Hebrew, as in the Copper Scroll and the MMT text. Biblical Hebrew dominates in the Biblical scrolls, and DSS Hebrew in scrolls which some scholars believe were composed at Qumran. Also some scrolls are written in Aramaic and a few in Koine Greek. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dead_Sea_Scrolls

You must have missed this when I posted it before.

If the Jews only knew Greek then why are the Dead Sea Scrolls written in Hebrew? Likewise if Greek was the common language used by the Romans then why was the Bible translated into Latin?

Then again you have yet to provide any substantial proof of what you are saying is the truth other than just your word. Assuming common knowledge is a very BIG mistake.
 
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L3g3nd – Yep Paul fails the Biblical test.

Only a false prophet glorifies or edifies a religion while a true prophet only glorifies Him who has sent him. A true prophet like Him who sends them condemns religion and the religious organizations they fester.

Yeshua said that he who wishes to be the greatest among you shall be your servant. A servant does not have any authority over those whom they serve.

Paul says that God anoints some this and that. That denotes authority over the body, authority that Yahweh has never granted to any man.

That makes Paul a liar.
 
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Amor Vincit Omnia - God never started any religions.


What the scriptures say about religion . . .

Pure and undefiled religion before God the Father is this: to visit the orphans and widows in their trouble and to keep oneself unspotted by the world.” James1:27​

In otherwords, TRUE Religion before God is one of GOOD WORKS. :)

That is what the scriptures say . . .

Now you are simply arguing against the very word of God you claim to believe and trust in . .

Yet you attack it by your arguments against what it actually says.

How so do you dare to do such a thing?


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L3g3nd – Yep Paul fails the Biblical test.

Only a false prophet glorifies or edifies a religion while a true prophet only glorifies Him who has sent him. A true prophet like Him who sends them condemns religion and the religious organizations they fester.

Yeshua said that he who wishes to be the greatest among you shall be your servant. A servant does not have any authority over those whom they serve.

Paul says that God anoints some this and that. That denotes authority over the body, authority that Yahweh has never granted to any man.

That makes Paul a liar.

And so we have it . .. the scriptures ERR!

Paul's words, inspired scriptures, God speaking through Paul, God's words in scripture ARE WRONG!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Thank you for exposing exactly who you are.

One who attacks the very words of scripture.



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You didn't answer my question: in your earlier post, are you referring to St. Paul as a liar?

JamestheProphet said:
Well standing religious beliefs as well as Archaeologist facts change almost daily yet Yahweh is the same yesterday, today, and forever.


I find it amusing that you say this, and then try to use such "facts" against my argument.

JamestheProphet said:
There are some mines just North of Jerusalem where the Jews were forced to Work. On the wall of the mine are inscriptions glorifying Yahweh and El and they are written in Hebrew not Greek.


What time period? What education had the Jew/Jews who wrote it received?

This proves nothing. Do you have a link?

JamestheProphet said:
The Dead Sea scrolls (Hebrew: מגילות ים המלח) comprise roughly 850 documents, including texts from the Hebrew Bible, discovered between 1947 and 1956 in eleven caves in and around the Wadi Qumran (near the ruins of the ancient settlement of Khirbet Qumran, on the northwest shore of the Dead Sea) in the West Bank. The texts are of great religious and historical significance, as they are practically the only known surviving Biblical documents written before AD 100.


I too can quote from Wikipedia:

The common languages spoken by both Jews and Gentiles in the holy land at the time of Jesus were Aramaic, Koine Greek, and to a limited extent a colloquial dialect of Mishnaic Hebrew. However, the original text of the New Testament was most likely written in Koine Greek, the vernacular dialect in 1st-century Roman provinces of the Eastern Mediterranean, and has since been widely translated into other languages, most notably, Latin, Syriac, and Coptic. However, some of the Church Fathers seem to imply that Matthew was originally written in Hebrew or Aramaic, and there is another contention that the author of the Epistle to the Hebrews wrote in Hebrew, which was translated into Greek by Luke. Neither view holds much support among contemporary scholars, who argue that the literary facets of Matthew and Hebrews suggest that they were composed directly in Greek, rather than being translated.
A very small minority of scholars consider the Aramaic version of the New Testament to be the original and believe the Greek is a translation (see Aramaic primacy). (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Testament)

Notice the reference to Greek as the vernacular language in the Roman East. The Dead Sea Scrolls, though old, are not the autographs, nor do they contain the New Testament, which makes your entire argument pointless. I never argued that the Old Testament was written in Greek, just the New Testament.

The Bible was translated into Latin to make it more accessible to Romans. Just as many Germans speak English but would probably prefer to read the Bible in German, those Romans that could read probably would have preferred to do so in their native tongue. This doesn't change the fact that Greek was an international language with prominence throughout the Roman Empire. Bear in mind as well that Latin began to replace Greek as a common language in the centuries after the death and resurrection of Christ.
 
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Ok so that is what James said. This is what Yeshua said about religion and religious minded people.

But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in. Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye devour widows' houses, and for a pretence make long prayer: therefore ye shall receive the greater damnation. Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves. Woe unto you, ye blind guides, which say, Whosoever shall swear by the temple, it is nothing; but whosoever shall swear by the gold of the temple, he is a debtor! Ye fools and blind: for whether is greater, the gold, or the temple that sanctifieth the gold? And, Whosoever shall swear by the altar, it is nothing; but whosoever sweareth by the gift that is upon it, he is guilty. Ye fools and blind: for whether is greater, the gift, or the altar that sanctifieth the gift? Whoso therefore shall swear by the altar, sweareth by it, and by all things thereon. And whoso shall swear by the temple, sweareth by it, and by him that dwelleth therein. And he that shall swear by heaven, sweareth by the throne of God, and by him that sitteth thereon. Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone. Ye blind guides, which strain at a gnat, and swallow a camel. Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye make clean the outside of the cup and of the platter, but within they are full of extortion and excess. Thou blind Pharisee, cleanse first that which is within the cup and platter, that the outside of them may be clean also. Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are like unto whited sepulchres, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead men's bones, and of all uncleanness. Even so ye also outwardly appear righteous unto men, but within ye are full of hypocrisy and iniquity. Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because ye build the tombs of the prophets, and garnish the sepulchres of the righteous, And say, If we had been in the days of our fathers, we would not have been partakers with them in the blood of the prophets. Wherefore ye be witnesses unto yourselves, that ye are the children of them which killed the prophets. Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers. Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell? Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city: That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar. Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation. O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not! Behold, your house is left unto you desolate. For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord. Matthew 23:13-39
 
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L3g3nd – Yep Paul fails the Biblical test.

Only a false prophet glorifies or edifies a religion while a true prophet only glorifies Him who has sent him. A true prophet like Him who sends them condemns religion and the religious organizations they fester.

Yeshua said that he who wishes to be the greatest among you shall be your servant. A servant does not have any authority over those whom they serve.

Paul says that God anoints some this and that. That denotes authority over the body, authority that Yahweh has never granted to any man.

That makes Paul a liar.

Now you are blaspheming the inerrant word of God.

Christ served His disciples in the act of washing their feet, yet He has all authority under heaven and earth. How do you reconcile this concept with your assertions?
 
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