Taking away Christian rights!!!

the point is not about homosexuals or Christians, the point is about free speech and hate speech, i think there should be no limitations to freedom of speech, about everything, but if the state protects some minorities, it has to protect, in order to be fair, homosexuals as well.

You have collected a very impressive list, these can be found in all of society. Another law exists that may not be on this list but never the less it is a law. Leviticus Chapter 20 verse: 13; If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have commited an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them. This as well as the others on the list are the reasons that the day of the Lord is quickly approaching. That great day when he shall pour out his wrath upon mankind for all of their wickedness. Now do you believe there were practicing Sodomites guilty of this wickedness? Yes or no, this is between you and your God and my God. The Lord Jesus Christ,

hogndog said:

You have collected a very impressive list, these can be found in all of society.

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There was a period of time in Athenian history in which homosexuality was encouraged within society. God never destroyed Athens. Your argument is flawed.

Another law exists that may not be on this list but never the less it is a law. Leviticus Chapter 20 verse: 13; If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have commited an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them. This as well as the others on the list are the reasons that the day of the Lord is quickly approaching.

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I'm sure the fact that we're eating pork and shellfish and not selling our daughters into slavery is another reason for this, too.

And the notion that the "day of the Lord" is just around the corner, and that it has anything to do with homosexuality, is patently absurd. People during Paul's time thought that it was going to come in their lifetime, too.

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You have collected a very impressive list, these can be found in all of society. Another law exists that may not be on this list but never the less it is a law. Leviticus Chapter 20 verse: 13; If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have commited an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them. This as well as the others on the list are the reasons that the day of the Lord is quickly approaching. That great day when he shall pour out his wrath upon mankind for all of their wickedness. Now do you believe there were practicing Sodomites guilty of this wickedness? Yes or no, this is between you and your God and my God. The Lord Jesus Christ,

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The governament shouldn't be concearned about God's law ( assuming that the Bible is litteraly) for that little thing called the separation between church and state.

Bianca87 said:

The governament shouldn't be concearned about God's law ( assuming that the Bible is litteraly) for that little thing called the separation between church and state.

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That too. Christ said that we should render unto Caesar what is Caesar's, and render unto God what is God's - a clear endorsement of keeping Church and State separate.

I just noticed something about the title (I'm going to be picky, hehe). I know about human rights, civil rights, and animal rights, but what are Christian rights?

Well, given the text of the actual bill, there doesn't seem to be much to worry about. In the future, citations in the OP would be lovely.

What your saying is true. The world showed God what it thought about his point of view. They took his Only Begotten Son an crucified him. Well as the saying goes, get out of Dodge Son we don't care about "your" opinion! so just keep it to yourself Bob. Now with that said I think i'll go on to a different topic because this one has become stale and repeticious.

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H.R. 1592 said:

Nothing in this Act, or the amendments made by this Act, shall be construed to prohibit any expressive conduct protected from legal prohibition by, or any activities protected by the free speech or free exercise clauses of, the First Amendment to the Constitution.

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Sunrunner said:

I just noticed something about the title (I'm going to be picky, hehe). I know about human rights, civil rights, and animal rights, but what are Christian rights?

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In the context of this discussion, I can't tell you exactly what christian rights are, but can tell you that a significant amount of christians don't think that gay people should be given these rights.

hogndog said:

What your saying is true. The world showed God what it thought about his point of view. They took his Only Begotten Son an crucified him. Well as the saying goes, get out of Dodge Son we don't care about "your" opinion! so just keep it to yourself Bob. Now with that said I think i'll go on to a different topic because this one has become stale and repeticious.

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Ampoliros said:

Well, unfortunately, the only HR 57 introduced this year is a bill to repeal certain sections of an earlier act regarding the Virgin Islands, which obviously has very little to do with homosexuality. So, unless the OP would like to clarify which bill he's talking about, I think I'll take what I get.

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I suspect that the info referenced in the OP concerns an old bill, probably several years old

KomissarSteve said:

The Bible lists Sodom's sins in several passages. Not a single one of them has to do with homosexuality.

• Deuteronomy 29:17-26 - Idolatry and images to false gods
• Deuteronomy 32:32-38 - Idolatry
• Isaiah 1:9-23 - Murder, greed, theft, rebellion, covetousness
• Isaiah 3:8-15 - Mistreating the poor
• Isaiah 3:11-19 - Arrogance
• Jeremiah 23:10-14 - Adultery, lying by priests and prophets
• Jeremiah 49:16-18 - Pride of the heart
• Jeremiah 50:2-40 - Idolatry and pride
• Lamentations 4:3-6 - Cruelty and failure to care for the young and poor
• Ezekiel 16:49-50 - Behold, this was the iniquity of thy sister Sodom, pride, fullness of bread, and abundance of idleness was in her and in her daughters, neither did she strengthen the hand of the poor and needy. And they were haughty, and committed abomination before me: therefore I took them away as I saw good.
• Amos 4:1-11 - Oppression and mistreating the poor
• Zephaniah 2:8 - Pride.

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You forgot Jude 7

In a similar way, Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding towns gave themselves up to sexual immorality and perversion. They serve as an example of those who suffer the punishment of eternal fire.

MachZer0 said:

You forgot Jude 7

In a similar way, Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding towns gave themselves up to sexual immorality and perversion. They serve as an example of those who suffer the punishment of eternal fire.

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That's fine if you prefer to interpret your beliefs in that way.

But in this country, legally, legislatively, we need to protect and respect the rights of those who are gay, black, who are women, and other minorities, who, according to history in this country, have not enjoyed status as equals. They have been either reviled, vilified, or have been subjected to a lesser standard of rights.

Is that not what we are fighting for globally? Democracy, freedom and so on? Or is it only the freedom to oppress? I don't think so.

Taking away Christian rights? Haha, you are quite a dreamer, we are just taking away hateful/annoying/unwanted discrimination.

Well, maybe Christians are unwanted here and are being opressed, and maybe this country really is ungodly and discriminates against those poor Christians who just don't get a say in things anymore! (Reads our national motto, a dollar bill, and the pledge)

MachZer0 said:

You forgot Jude 7

In a similar way, Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding towns gave themselves up to sexual immorality and perversion. They serve as an example of those who suffer the punishment of eternal fire.

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One verse saying that their primary sin was homosexuality, versus several passages indicating otherwise.

I think it's pretty clear that majority rules, in this case.

Either way, the discussion of whether or not homosexuality is a sin is fairly irrelevant to the topic at hand. What matters is whether or not it is right to offer some law-abiding Americans privileges, and then not offer other law-abiding Americans the same liberties. If defending the term "marriage" is REALLY what social conservatives are concerned with, then they ought to lobby their various congressmen and women to change the term of all legal civil marriages to "civil unions," whether they be between gay couples or straight couples, with the same benefits being offered to all couples united in such a way. The term "marriage" would be relegated to a purely ceremonial status, and churches can choose for themselves whether or not they want to marry gays.

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One verse saying that their primary sin was homosexuality, versus several passages indicating otherwise.

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I merely pointed out an oversight

I think it's pretty clear that majority rules, in this case.

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Clear to whom?

Either way, the discussion of whether or not homosexuality is a sin is fairly irrelevant to the topic at hand. What matters is whether or not it is right to offer some law-abiding Americans privileges, and then not offer other law-abiding Americans the same liberties

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Actually, that isn't the only topic of the thread. The topic is also the ethics of passing a law that deprives Christians the right to speak their beliefs on homosexuality

MachZer0 said:

I merely pointed out an oversight

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Ah, I see.

Clear to whom?

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Clear to anyone who believes that there should be consistency within God's Word.

Actually, that isn't the only topic of the thread. The topic is also the ethics of passing a law that deprives Christians the right to speak their beliefs on homosexuality

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Right, and since your rights end when they begin to infringe upon mine, that topic invariably leads to the point I've made - that a significant portion of law-abiding American citizens have not been granted some of the liberties that other law-abiding American citizens enjoy.

KomissarSteve said:

Clear to anyone who believes that there should be consistency within God's Word.

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No inconsistency was alleged

Right, and since your rights end when they begin to infringe upon mine,

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My speech regarding any lifestyle you may or may not choose in no way infringes upon your rights.

that topic invariably leads to the point I've made - that a significant portion of law-abiding American citizens have not been granted some of the liberties that other law-abiding American citizens enjoy.

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And we have the right to speak out as to whether or not we believe certain groups should be allowed access to certain privileges. That's freedom of speech, specifically, freedom to speak out and promote ideas that may be contrary to the ideas of others.

MachZer0 said:

No inconsistency was alleged

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There would have to be one, if several verses say that the sin of Sodom was something other than homosexual behavior, yet one verse says that the sin was homosexual behavior after all.

My speech regarding any lifestyle you may or may not choose in no way infringes upon your rights.

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Unless it is used to incite violence or harassment of a group I happen to be part of. That's why we have anti-hate legislation.

And we have the right to speak out as to whether or not we believe certain groups should be allowed access to certain privileges.

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I agree, but that has nothing to do with what this bill is proposing to outlaw, so I'm not really sure why you brought it up in the first place.

JustOneWay said:

Got a link to the bill?

How can anybody make an educated comment without the details of the bill?

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Who was making educated comments? I certainly didn't see any.