I am not a religious person, I am a follower of the Christ of the scriptures. I don't pull punches and I deal in truth to help and encourage those that are His and at the same time making many waves among those who are religious but do not and are not interested in knowing the Master. Consider this understanding...Jesus said basically if we would believe on Him according to the scriptures(not tradition or religion) everything He could do we can do. Turn this statement around...if we can't do what He could do we are not believing on Him according to the scriptures. Consider this...God is a God of Healing and Miracles. If you attend an assembly and there are not healings and miracles there every time you meet its because He's not there...If you are under a man or woman of God who has no supernatural power from God to heal or do miracles what makes you think they can get you to heaven... I encourage all who desire to be used by God on the highest of levels to understand that at this very moment God is looking for believers just like you. Believers that will say in their heart, no matter which direction every one else goes in I will follow you Lord. No matter how high the price use me God. Even if all those I know, all those I love abandon me because of my desire for You, I will follow You. You are my life, You are the only life I have ever known, my life for You....Now God begins to use you the way He used others 2000 years go in signs and wonders, healings and miracles, powerfully teaching just exactly what Jesus taught and now it comes, they begin hating you without a cause, they call you a false prophet they say it can't be their god because miracles follow you and their god doesn't do miracles. Are you willing to walk this narrow path, are you willing to pay this price.....do it.....just do it.....it will cost you everything.....but do it
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OK, let's use your logic some more and see how it pans out:
Your twisted logic:
God heals people. Some people this Sunday were sick. Therefore, God is not at my church.
Let's apply this same analogy elsewhere:
Cars wreck while driving. My car is in perfect condition. Therefore, I am not actually driving.
And again:
A book has words in it. This book only has pictures. Therefore, this isn't really a book.
Your logic applied to this verse really twists things around:
Matthew 17:20
He replied, "Because you have so little faith. I tell you the truth, if you have faith as small as a mustard seed, you can say to this mountain, 'Move from here to there' and it will move. Nothing will be impossible for you."
According to you, if you haven't literally moved a mountain, you have no faith.
Scripture is not meant to be "flipped around". Neither is ANY statement. Just because something happened once, twice, a hundred, or million times, does not warrant thinking that it is required to happen EVERY time that it can. That's ridiculous.
The Bible NEVER states that "God always heals EVERY sick person in an assembly. There is no exception." If it did, then you would have a decent point. But this is not reasonable thinking. It is a very uneducated guess somewhat including logic, language, statistics, and theology, but it doesn't pan out. You're wrong about this subject.
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Amen, GregKerr!
John 14:12...I tell you the truth, anyone who believes in me will do the same works I have done, and even greater works, because I am going to be with the Father.
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If you think the televangelists bonking people on the head with bibles and screaming "hee-yulled bah tha pa-er of JAE-zuz" while there's a 1-800 number on the bottom of the screen are the only ones saved then you need to keep a more critical mind 
even the faithful can't be trusted with supernatural powers
even the faithful can't be trusted with supernatural powers
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If you think the televangelists bonking people on the head with bibles and screaming "hee-yulled bah tha pa-er of JAE-zuz" while there's a 1-800 number on the bottom of the screen are the only ones saved then you need to keep a more critical mind
even the faithful can't be trusted with supernatural powers
No one is bringing things down to that abysmal level...the faithful do move in the supernatural--at least they should.
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Scripture also says that not everyone in Christ has the gift of miracles.
"And in the church God has appointed first of all apostles, second prophets, third teachers, then workers of miracles, also those having gifts of healing, those able to help others, those with gifts of administration, and those speaking in different kinds of tongues. Are all apostles? Are all prophets? Are all teachers? Do all work miracles? Do all have gifts of healing? Do all speak in tongues? Do all interpret?" - 1 Corinthians 12:28-30
"And in the church God has appointed first of all apostles, second prophets, third teachers, then workers of miracles, also those having gifts of healing, those able to help others, those with gifts of administration, and those speaking in different kinds of tongues. Are all apostles? Are all prophets? Are all teachers? Do all work miracles? Do all have gifts of healing? Do all speak in tongues? Do all interpret?" - 1 Corinthians 12:28-30
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Your faith seems great. At the risk of being dense again (your posts seem to be hard for me to figure out
), part of what is written above is "if we can't do what He could do we are not believing on Him according to the scriptures."
If I understand this correctly, we should be able to do things as Jesus the Christ did such as healings, cast out demons, walk on water, etc. Since you are a person of great faith, it seems you have probably done something just as Jesus did. If so, what was it?
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I meet people almost every day that tell me they would like to be used by God on a much higher level. The purpose for many of the threads that I write is to encourage believers to understand that the God of the Bible does not change. If the followers of Christ 2000 years ago had spiritual power the followers of Christ today should have spiritual power, and if they will follow Jesus the way believers did 2000 years ago they will have the same power....concerning myself, I haven't had an assembly since Sept. 9, 1997 where people haven't been healed (the vast majority of the people needing healing at any healing service having instant results) and over the years I have cast out a number of demons....(do not take this as a boast of myself, take it as a boast of the Power Of The Anointing Of The Holy Spirit).....Your faith seems great. At the risk of being dense again (your posts seem to be hard for me to figure out
"if we can't do what He could do we are not believing on Him according to the scriptures."If I understand this correctly, we should be able to do things as Jesus the Christ did such as healings, cast out demons, walk on water, etc. Since you are a person of great faith, it seems you have probably done something just as Jesus did. If so, what was it?
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You're directly contradicting Scripture.
Matthew 18:20
"For where two or three have gathered together in My name, I am there in their midst."
This is an assembly where miracles and healings are not present, yet God says he is there.
Because performing miracles and healing has no relation whatsoever to salvation or heaven. Salvation is not earned by any means, especially miracles. As God states plainly here:
Matthew 7:21-22
21"Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22Many will say to me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?'
It's not a difficult topic to understand.
God sent His son as a sacrifice for the sins of the world, and His blood was sufficient to atone for any person that accepts His Son. The end.
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Who told you that it is encouraging believers to preach direct contradictions to Scripture? Can you twist another verse to explain that one away too? I'm torn apart at the way that you have molded independent verses to promote your personal religious acts to a higher deity than the Blood of Christ.
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Hmm...I am intrigued GregKerr. I haven't heard of you before (that doesn't mean anything and I am not trying to imply anything by that) and am wondering if GregKerr is your real name.
I would like to know more about who you are and maybe do a little digging around on the Internet to see if you are well known in the Christian community. I mean if, as you say, healings have happened all the time and so forth, one would think the word has gotten out about you. I just personally have never heard of a GregKerr doing what you say.
Just curious.
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I believe that God heals, but every service? Perhaps, most likely we are "healed" in many areas. It could be that we are healed in our spirits because of the revealation of the word that comes forth.
Or we could be healed in our hearts because we are accepted in the beloved and the fellowship we come together in warms us.
We could be healed in our bodies because we recieve by faith the sacrifice and stripes of Jesus.
Or we could be healed in our finances because the church helped us with food or an expense.
We could be healed of a dry place and our spirits refreshed and refilled by the Holy Spirit.
Ahhhh...I was glad when they said unto me, let us go into the house of the Lord.
Or we could be healed in our hearts because we are accepted in the beloved and the fellowship we come together in warms us.
We could be healed in our bodies because we recieve by faith the sacrifice and stripes of Jesus.
Or we could be healed in our finances because the church helped us with food or an expense.
We could be healed of a dry place and our spirits refreshed and refilled by the Holy Spirit.
Ahhhh...I was glad when they said unto me, let us go into the house of the Lord.
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Gregg I find your posts interesting and thought provoking, but with statements such as
I can`t help but think that you are being seriously mislead, the greater works that we will do.....are not miracles in healing, casting out demons or anything else like them, but rather......to bring the gospel of God to unbelievers that they may be born again, that they may be bought from darkness into light, from death to life.....this as Paul (I know you don`t agree with what he said but I believe you will agree with this) said is the power of God, "for I am not ashamed of the gospel for it is the power of God unto salvation."
So forget the miracles they are not important, what use is a miracle if no one is saved? The real power of God the true miracle in that sense to be seen at churches, is when an unbeliever is born again, when God brings them into the kingdom of light.
Other than that I agree that following God does cost everything, "if you wish to be my disciples you must, deny yourself, take up your cross and follow me."
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It is not "sniffing out shortcomings" to disciple another believer when he is stating that his beliefs contradict the Bible.
It is our responsibility as Christians to hold accountability and judgment to anyone claiming to follow Christ and correct them when they preach contradictions to the Bible with the intent of changing other Christian's beliefs to fit their twisted worldview.
The problem here is that you don't like seeing Scripture clearly stating that you're view on this subject does not coincide with the Bible, so in an effort to keep yourself from having to change your beliefs to Biblical ones, you are telling other believers to stop holding GregKerr accountable for the things that he preaches, when the Bible directly teaches against this.
If we as Christians aren't willing to learn from Scripture on a daily basis, even when we don't like it, we have cut off God's teaching from our lives in an effort to preserve some tradition or belief that we like better than what Scripture says. But in the end, it is God's Word that reigns true.
You wanted to play hardball. Here's the truth. If the Bible says you are wrong, you'd better change, I don't care who you are or what you want to think. The only Truth is between those two leather-bound covers.
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EXCELLENT response. I think this should close the thread. God tells us HIMSELF that not everyone will heal or perform miracles. That does not mean we are not Christians. It also doesn't mean that he doesn't miraculously heal today. He certainly does.
To the OP: I feel your genuine sincerity and i appreciate it deeply. Just be careful on making blanket statements unless you are absolutely, positively sure on something. And if you think you are and someone shows you this is not the case (like what happened here with this person's post), be humble enough to change your thinking to more correctly line it up with the mind of Christ.
Peace.
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