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Well, I seem to get long winded with my stories, so I'll try to keep this short.

I was baptized and raised a devout Catholic i.e. we were not of the cafeteria variety. Prayed together as a family, participated in church activities, went to Sunday school, performed all the sacraments; it was a big part of our lives. Childhood became tough, mom struggled to keep us together because dad had other plans (drugs and infidelity). It was chaos, dysfunction (your basic nightmare) my only way of coping and finding peace was talking out loud as a little girl to Jesus, my prayers were more like "Hi Jesus" than 'Our Father'. In my innocence I really did believe in Him, that He was there listening to me, consoling me, and helping me deal with a world I wasn't ready for.

Mom divorced (it was the healthier choice for all of us) around the time I began middle school i.e. hell. Hahaha. Shortly after found someone else, couldn't marry him in the church because the first marriage wasn't annuled with the Pope (send your case to the Vatican for approval), she became bitter, and religion of any kind ceased to exist in our house. Actually she began to do more New Age type of things, holidays became secular, and I felt torn between loyalty to my mom and to my faith. I was extrememly depressed as a teen, felt my foundation had been ripped out from under me, the only stability I had was gone. Spiraled into thoughts of suicide, became a loner and just lived within myself.

Began to research other denominations, faiths, went to a Buddhist temple, an Orthodox church, Jehovah's Witness temple, Presbyterian, non-denominational. I felt like I was betraying Catholicism, then I became disillusioned and decided God didn't exist and Jesus was just the story of a nice man that someone wrote a long time ago. I dabbled in Paganism for a few years, of the Wiccan type, felt really silly praying to gods, couldn't do that much longer. I actually had a dream that a demon lured me into a cabin and when I stood in front of it I heard a woman whisper that I should burn the books I had about Paganism. Scared me to pieces, but any other way, my heart was never in any religion I ever experimented with.

I overcame my hang-ups, complexes, what have you. Therapy helped, listening to older, wiser people helped, so did a lot of reading, self-exploration, all that. People say they don't recognize me, I became a completely different person, a better person! I'm happy, I began to do a lot of volunteer work, won some awards for hobbies I excel in, made a lot of friends, met the love of my life and married him! We're expecting our first child at the end of this year and madly in love. Our lives are parallel, very similar childhoods and even spiritual journeys, all the way from talking out loud to Jesus as kids.

Since even before my pregnancy we wanted to have that relationship again with the Lord. We tried going to church together, a Catholic church (get back to our roots) and couldn't reconcile a lot of things like the power of the Vatican, the adornments made of gold and money period, the birth control issue, the lack of a close knit community (huge churches with tons of believers don't suit our needs), the heavy involvement of the church with the government in the country we live in (we're not fans of any religion influencing law and government), etc.

I really don't know where to begin in building up that relationship with Jesus again. We know we need to buy a bible. My husband dated and was engaged to a Jehovah's Witness for five years so he has all kinds of nutty ideas about the bible, he was completely misinformed and it's the only bible he ever read apart from whatever they taught him in Catholic Sunday school or whatever he heard at the Catholic mass. I've shared this information with him and he was actually surprised, though he never converted or went regularly to the JW meetings, I can hear, from his words, how much of a grip they once had.

Anyway, there's a lot to think about. I'm trying to think about how to approach my husband about finding a new church, my desire to be apart of a Christian community. I don't want him to fear running into another JW type of situation now that he sees how false it was and I don't want to be like my sister-in-law, always at odds with husbands very Catholic mother about her being a Christian.

Any advice?
 

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Just start with one day at a time. I would kneel and ask Jesus back into your heart as your personal Lord and Savior. Then ask for the Holy Spirit - to give you the power to live a christian life. Without it - its impossible. Then find a bible believing church that really does practice what they preach. Not a church that doesn't have the love of God in it. If a church doesn't even believe the Bible (Word of God) than they arn't representing Christ but their "own doctrine".

Read the bible and pray daily and surround yourself with christians who are inspirational and can help you grow spiritually.

Its a lifestyle and life long process to be transformed into a christ like individual.

Christianity was a spiritual and then intellectual decision in my life as the Bible as overwhelming objective facts about it making it the most true book in the world.
 
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Jesus is not religious and does not care what church you or anyone belongs to! What Jesus main concerm is if you have him in your heart. He talks about this in John chapter 3 about being born again. Thru prayer tell God that you know that Jesus is his son who came to earth to die for your sins, ask for forgiveness of your suns and ask Jesus to come into your heart and life. This prayer needs to be done with sincerity of your heart. I accepted and ask Christ in my life many years ago. He has been there to help me thru many trials. He has healed me and protected me from car accidents. Please read Psalms 121. When I became born again, I searched and found a church that preaches on the bible. It is good to have fellowship with other believers. If you have any questions just send me a message.
 
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Thank you so much for your blessings and encouragement. To me Jesus was always such a mystical being, sometimes I can't even begin to understand His greatness. I always felt that Jesus is our greatest example on this little planet of ours, of how to be. Sometimes I think, I wish I were more like Christ, He had a perfect balance of strength and assertion but also of unconditional love.

I think to myself, when do I seek out the troubled? How many times do we see people who are drug addicts, gang members, prostitutes, alcoholics, and so forth, and speak badly of them or avoid them, like they have some sort of disease? These are the people Jesus looked for, certainly He sought out all of God's children, He loves us all and wants salvation for all of us, but I don't see too many people today willing to look for the troubled and tormented souls; most people just know they don't want to be like them.

I guess you can say that I feel compelled and called to help people, and not just because it makes me feel good to help others, but because I really do feel it's my duty to honor the Lord in that way. I told my husband, sometimes I feel that we as people, when we don't use our skills and talents and resources to heal the world, we're all sinning. God has bestowed upon us all something special that only we as an individual can give to another, and to not share it is such a shame. I'd like to not waste my life on just myself or just my family or just my friends, I'd like to reach out to others.

Yet I know I'm not spiritually prepared to dive out there, I know that I need to grow closer to Jesus, not just for the strength, but for the sake of my family and my own soul. My life has changed and improved dramatically, and I feel that it's time to give due credit to Jesus. I don't think I could be in the wonderful, blessed, and happy place I am today because I did it all on my own. Where does our strength as humans come from? I know I'm not alone and could never be, it's God who has had the upperhand in my life. Whenever I felt waves of warmth and comfort, whenever I had pleasant dreams to soothe my worries, whenever I was a the right place at the right time, I know it was the Lord's doing; that is something I do not doubt.

Perhaps I feel lost because I don't belong to any group of Christians and have not for a long time, or because I do not have many Christian friends, or any for that matter. Yesterday I tried talking more about the bible and Jesus with my husband, he had had a bad day at work, so we began to explore his feelings and I spoke to him about Jesus, how He said we need only but ask for something and I also explained to my husband that even if your prayers aren't answered, it's always for a good reason. I believe God has a plan for us all and only He can see it's divine purpose, we just have to trust.

I suppose I yearn to commune with other Christians, it's something I would love for my baby when he or she comes into the world, is to be apart of a loving Christian community that focuses on the word of God, on the bible. I remember when I was younger being so envious of my Christian classmates who always had a quote on hand for any given situation out of the bible, they were so knowledgable biblically, and I always wished I could be more like that. My husband says I always have good, helpful and loving things to say to everyone, but I'd like those words not to be my words, but that of Jesus.
 
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God loves you so very much!
He sees your heart, and it is beautiful to Him.
You are doing the right things - keep reading the Bible ( I would advise the gospels and psalms to start with)
And do try to find a church - fellowship with other Christians is so important. Meanwhile, keep fellowshipping here - there are a lot of wise people who can help you as you grow in Him.
May God bless you - :hug:
PM me if you want to ask any questions. I will pray for you and your family.
 
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Hi, yes, first dwell on Christ, and if you can in your heart commit your life to Christ if you haven't already done so (sorry didn't see last post, only first post.)

Remember he died for our sins and was resurreted.

One we believe we are indwelled by the Holy Spirit, a seal, a deposit guaranteeing our redemption (salvation.)

We can never lose our salvation.

Once we believe we become a new creation in Christ, the old is gone, we are new, and the angels in heaven rejoice. We are given a new heart, and will view things differntly as we grow in Christ. Lives change.

Start reading the bible as said also. Good versions are the New Internation Version (for me at least) and the New King James version. Many other good ones out there, but those are my personal preferences.

Also, if you can try going to some women's bible studies either during the weekday or at night. Most churches have them, not all do.

The reason I encourage this over a church, is so that hubby won't have to go to many various churches and be wary or disillusioned, you may find a church thru going to a bible study.

Ah, you mentioned a lot of state interference in your churches, I didn't check your country, and don't know much about that.so if you can, you would want to go to a church, where they don't take state money and freely teach the truth. Again, I may have all that bit wrong, it could be that churches are told what to teach, dunno, but try to find then a home group instead if the state is involved in all churches where you live.

You want a Chrst centered church where Christ is preached somehow in every sermon, whether sermon on the Old Testament or New Testament, the pastor should make Christ applicable to all scritpure and to your life.

May not be easy to find, but this would be the ideal, and as you learn in church, be sure to go home, and read whatever you were taught in church to be sure that it lines up with the word of God.

You won't know much of the whole context of the bible at first, so just compare what your given, this is good to test what you are learning that indeed what a teacher or pastor says seems to be in line with the truth.

The Holy Spirit will guide you. A bible study is great because you will meet other women who can help you and encourage you in person and in Christ.

However no need to go to church of course to be a Christian. Also, do not concern yourself with Mother in law, as God will help you no matter how bad it gets. He will be with you everyday and forever.

God bless you,
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Thank you so much for your words and advice, I'm trying my best to step foot into a Christian existence, by that I mean studying the bible and speaking to other Christians, even if it's just online for now.

It's not some really an intellectual decision, or maybe that's a poor choice of words, but what I'm trying to say is that my desire to be a Christian has never stemmed from 'because it's what I grew up with' or 'because it's what makes sense to me'. The honest truth is that aside from always having felt the presence of Jesus in my life, no matter how much I sinned or how far I strayed, it seems that specifically lately a lot of unexplained things have been occuring. I don't mean things that go bump in the night per se, but things that could only be of God.

The other day as I began to contemplate these things, I had this moment where I thought "Well what if I'm imagining them?" so I said out loud to God "God, if this is what you want for me, is to give my life to Jesus, it may be selfish of me to ask for it, but give me a bigger sign so that I don't question these smaller incidents". I left it at that and thought nothing of it, I just figured, well He may or may not answer me, but at least I tried to ask.

That day I stepped out to go to a nearby farmers market and as I crossed the street I saw a man in front of my house, he was sitting on the curb of the street. He didn't look homeless, and for a minute I thought he was perhaps a street worker from nearby (they're paving the sidewalks right now) taking a break for lunch. He had his hands raised up to the sky praying to Jesus, but when I looked around him, I saw no food so I knew he wasn't praying before eating, he was just praying out loud.

I've never stepped outside and seen a person praying, with their hands lifted up to the Lord, let alone out loud. I have no idea what or who the man was praying for and he didn't see me, he had his eyes closed. I just thought, well I couldn't have prayed for a sign just a few minutes ago, and now see this! Yet there it was, and to me that man praying was a sign from God because who prays like that in public? I mean, I've seen it during disasters, during meals in restaurants, etc. but in front of my house, for no reason? That was a miracle in my eyes, and since that day I know being a Christian is who I am and what I want.
 
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Thank you so much for your words and advice, I'm trying my best to step foot into a Christian existence, by that I mean studying the bible and speaking to other Christians, even if it's just online for now.

It's not some really an intellectual decision, or maybe that's a poor choice of words, but what I'm trying to say is that my desire to be a Christian has never stemmed from 'because it's what I grew up with' or 'because it's what makes sense to me'. The honest truth is that aside from always having felt the presence of Jesus in my life, no matter how much I sinned or how far I strayed, it seems that specifically lately a lot of unexplained things have been occuring. I don't mean things that go bump in the night per se, but things that could only be of God.

The other day as I began to contemplate these things, I had this moment where I thought "Well what if I'm imagining them?" so I said out loud to God "God, if this is what you want for me, is to give my life to Jesus, it may be selfish of me to ask for it, but give me a bigger sign so that I don't question these smaller incidents". I left it at that and thought nothing of it, I just figured, well He may or may not answer me, but at least I tried to ask.

That day I stepped out to go to a nearby farmers market and as I crossed the street I saw a man in front of my house, he was sitting on the curb of the street. He didn't look homeless, and for a minute I thought he was perhaps a street worker from nearby (they're paving the sidewalks right now) taking a break for lunch. He had his hands raised up to the sky praying to Jesus, but when I looked around him, I saw no food so I knew he wasn't praying before eating, he was just praying out loud.

I've never stepped outside and seen a person praying, with their hands lifted up to the Lord, let alone out loud. I have no idea what or who the man was praying for and he didn't see me, he had his eyes closed. I just thought, well I couldn't have prayed for a sign just a few minutes ago, and now see this! Yet there it was, and to me that man praying was a sign from God because who prays like that in public? I mean, I've seen it during disasters, during meals in restaurants, etc. but in front of my house, for no reason? That was a miracle in my eyes, and since that day I know being a Christian is who I am and what I want.

Awesome!

About a year, maybe months not sure, before I came to Christ, I too noticed spiritual things..:hug:
 
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Well, I seem to get long winded with my stories, so I'll try to keep this short.

I was baptized and raised a devout Catholic i.e. we were not of the cafeteria variety. Prayed together as a family, participated in church activities, went to Sunday school, performed all the sacraments; it was a big part of our lives. Childhood became tough, mom struggled to keep us together because dad had other plans (drugs and infidelity). It was chaos, dysfunction (your basic nightmare) my only way of coping and finding peace was talking out loud as a little girl to Jesus, my prayers were more like "Hi Jesus" than 'Our Father'. In my innocence I really did believe in Him, that He was there listening to me, consoling me, and helping me deal with a world I wasn't ready for.

Mom divorced (it was the healthier choice for all of us) around the time I began middle school i.e. hell. Hahaha. Shortly after found someone else, couldn't marry him in the church because the first marriage wasn't annuled with the Pope (send your case to the Vatican for approval), she became bitter, and religion of any kind ceased to exist in our house. Actually she began to do more New Age type of things, holidays became secular, and I felt torn between loyalty to my mom and to my faith. I was extrememly depressed as a teen, felt my foundation had been ripped out from under me, the only stability I had was gone. Spiraled into thoughts of suicide, became a loner and just lived within myself.

Began to research other denominations, faiths, went to a Buddhist temple, an Orthodox church, Jehovah's Witness temple, Presbyterian, non-denominational. I felt like I was betraying Catholicism, then I became disillusioned and decided God didn't exist and Jesus was just the story of a nice man that someone wrote a long time ago. I dabbled in Paganism for a few years, of the Wiccan type, felt really silly praying to gods, couldn't do that much longer. I actually had a dream that a demon lured me into a cabin and when I stood in front of it I heard a woman whisper that I should burn the books I had about Paganism. Scared me to pieces, but any other way, my heart was never in any religion I ever experimented with.

I overcame my hang-ups, complexes, what have you. Therapy helped, listening to older, wiser people helped, so did a lot of reading, self-exploration, all that. People say they don't recognize me, I became a completely different person, a better person! I'm happy, I began to do a lot of volunteer work, won some awards for hobbies I excel in, made a lot of friends, met the love of my life and married him! We're expecting our first child at the end of this year and madly in love. Our lives are parallel, very similar childhoods and even spiritual journeys, all the way from talking out loud to Jesus as kids.

Since even before my pregnancy we wanted to have that relationship again with the Lord. We tried going to church together, a Catholic church (get back to our roots) and couldn't reconcile a lot of things like the power of the Vatican, the adornments made of gold and money period, the birth control issue, the lack of a close knit community (huge churches with tons of believers don't suit our needs), the heavy involvement of the church with the government in the country we live in (we're not fans of any religion influencing law and government), etc.

I really don't know where to begin in building up that relationship with Jesus again. We know we need to buy a bible. My husband dated and was engaged to a Jehovah's Witness for five years so he has all kinds of nutty ideas about the bible, he was completely misinformed and it's the only bible he ever read apart from whatever they taught him in Catholic Sunday school or whatever he heard at the Catholic mass. I've shared this information with him and he was actually surprised, though he never converted or went regularly to the JW meetings, I can hear, from his words, how much of a grip they once had.

Anyway, there's a lot to think about. I'm trying to think about how to approach my husband about finding a new church, my desire to be apart of a Christian community. I don't want him to fear running into another JW type of situation now that he sees how false it was and I don't want to be like my sister-in-law, always at odds with husbands very Catholic mother about her being a Christian.

Any advice?

warning: contains spelling or grammatical errors.

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I would have said don't let your mum's beef with the church determine your relationship with God. It's reminds me of Romans 14: where if your mum couldn't handle faith in house anymore because of her struggles, it wouldn't be unacceptable for you to relate to her, to the extent she could permit.

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if you were researching buddhism, I would have expected that you would feel like you were betraying God not Catholicism, after all you serve God not Catholicism, right? It reminded me of Jeremiah 2:5, Jeremiah 7:16-19 and Jeremiah 10:1-16.

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Since even before my pregnancy we wanted to have that relationship again with the Lord. We tried going to church together, a Catholic church (get back to our roots) and couldn't reconcile a lot of things like the power of the Vatican, the adornments made of gold and money period, the birth control issue, the lack of a close knit community (huge churches with tons of believers don't suit our needs), the heavy involvement of the church with the government in the country we live in (we're not fans of any religion influencing law and government), etc.

1. Question: what power does the Vatican have in your opinion?

2. Re the adornments of gold and money. Is it so surprising? Didn't King David want to build a magnificent temple for God. Why are you so surprised if some christians when given money think of building a masterpiece to God.

Now, even then, God emphasised that He does not live in buildings of brick and wood, but would rather live in us. With Jeremiah 22 in mind (particularly verses 13-15 and 1-6) I would say look for a church whose focus is justice, humantarian, non-violence and peace.

3. Lack of a close knit community (and your emphasis on "our needs") Maybe the reason for "lack of a close knit community" is an "our needs" mentality. Read Acts 4:32-5:11 and 1 Corinthians 15:15-18. Again you have the saying it is more blessed to give than to receive. IF you want a close knit community, be caring, not pedantic and look for things people are doing for you.

4. Involvement of the church in govt. Isn't a positive thing to have people with Christ on their brains lobbying those in govt? After all corporations with economic goals do it. Why not do it for the sake of those who are stakeholders in Society but have no voice, such as the unemployed and the homeless? or family. Isn't it a positive to have some sort of organised pillars of Society - Christian insitutions that aren't ruled by syncretic politics?

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Buy a bible, both of you and read it front to back. Some of your problems maybe from relying on others to love God for you with their minds. You have to love God with your mind, personally, by digging into the bible and learning it, by yourself. And asking God to explain the difficult bits. Read Deuteronomy 8:3-5, the hyperbole Deuteronomy 6:4-9 to illustrate how much effort you should be putting in and particularly 2 Peter 1:3-8 (with close attention to what will keep you from being ineffective and unproductive in your knowledge of Christ.

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Take heart. Don't get deceived into thinking there's some huge barrier stopping you from having a relationship with God. There's nothing impossible about your situation. There're no major problems you've had that would lead me to think God needs to compensate for any hardships you've had. Me, myself, I've had 3 siblings die during my short existence. I've often thought you were supposed to have tragedy in reverse (i.e. not when you're growing up) but it's not how it's been for me, and obviously for you. If you fall off the horse. Just get back on and ask God to help..... but believe and after you've tried persevering continue persevering.

I hope to God what I've said in useful. Good luck (in a non-secular well wishing way < disclaimer against pedantic Christians who usually feel compelled to bash any use of the word "luck")
 
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I would have said don't let your mum's beef with the church determine your relationship with God. It's reminds me of Romans 14: where if your mum couldn't handle faith in house anymore because of her struggles, it wouldn't be unacceptable for you to relate to her, to the extent she could permit.

In an ideal world perhaps, yet I was all but 11 years old when this began to unravel and no child at that age has the psychological (emotional) capacity to cope with that sort of dysfunction and consequently, during adolesence (a time of reasoning and questioning) find the strength to hold onto that spiritual foundation. Most adults can barely handle their problems and still believe in God (just look in this forum and read how many have doubts) let alone a little kid.

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if you were researching buddhism, I would have expected that you would feel like you were betraying God not Catholicism, after all you serve God not Catholicism, right? It reminded me of Jeremiah 2:5, Jeremiah 7:16-19 and Jeremiah 10:1-16.

God wasn't defined for myself during that time, God had no defintion, which is why I was researching other faiths to begin with. Had I already had a Christian definition or absolute Christian view on God, yes I would've felt as if I were betraying Him, but seeing as that I did not, no, I didn't. I felt I was betraying the definition of God I had been raised with, which is Catholic.


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1. Question: what power does the Vatican have in your opinion?

Ha, well a lot of power in the country I live in as far as political influence goes and the country I live in is highly, highly corrupt so I'm not a big fan of the Vatican, to say the least. This may be why I'm also not a fan of mixing politics with religion.



2. Re the adornments of gold and money. Is it so surprising? Didn't King David want to build a magnificent temple for God. Why are you so surprised if some christians when given money think of building a masterpiece to God.

Build the masterpiece in your heart and soul, don't you think? I think God has had enough monuments built in His honor, the last thing He needs is another shrine. For every temple I see, I see more children who had nothing to eat and lack of empathy for those in need. I would rather build up temples of love and spirit to the Lord, not buildings of gold, but that's just my personal opinion. I think churches with fancy adornments can be pretty and artistic and all that, but I guess when I see a huge gold cross to me that equals money that could've clothed a homeless person.


Now, even then, God emphasised that He does not live in buildings of brick and wood, but would rather live in us. With Jeremiah 22 in mind (particularly verses 13-15 and 1-6) I would say look for a church whose focus is justice, humantarian, non-violence and peace.

Agreed.

3. Lack of a close knit community (and your emphasis on "our needs") Maybe the reason for "lack of a close knit community" is an "our needs" mentality. Read Acts 4:32-5:11 and 1 Corinthians 15:15-18. Again you have the saying it is more blessed to give than to receive. IF you want a close knit community, be caring, not pedantic and look for things people are doing for you.

I say 'our needs' within reason. God isn't going to conform to my every whim, I understand this, but I also think it behooves any person to find a church community and a church period that they enjoy and can relate to. I want to feel comfortable and welcomed, I want to feel I'm in a place, as you said, that supports non-violence, justice, etc. but you have to admit, not all churches have such qualities. I just know that, as I said, within reason, I won't feel 'at home' just anywhere.

4. Involvement of the church in govt. Isn't a positive thing to have people with Christ on their brains lobbying those in govt? After all corporations with economic goals do it. Why not do it for the sake of those who are stakeholders in Society but have no voice, such as the unemployed and the homeless? or family. Isn't it a positive to have some sort of organised pillars of Society - Christian insitutions that aren't ruled by syncretic politics?

That's a slippery slope, what if some of those politicians are Muslim or Buddhist and have Allah or Buddha on their brains while lobbying? You can't legislate religion, it isn't fair to those who don't share those particular views. I'm all for giving a voice to the less fortunate, but in my personal experience, I have yet to see a Christian politician lobby anything other than no abortion and no gay marriage. I don't really hear a rallying cry to help feed children and employ the homeless. I just think religion and politics mixing together is too dangerous and hasn't really led us anywhere better.

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Buy a bible, both of you and read it front to back. Some of your problems maybe from relying on others to love God for you with their minds. You have to love God with your mind, personally, by digging into the bible and learning it, by yourself. And asking God to explain the difficult bits. Read Deuteronomy 8:3-5, the hyperbole Deuteronomy 6:4-9 to illustrate how much effort you should be putting in and particularly 2 Peter 1:3-8 (with close attention to what will keep you from being ineffective and unproductive in your knowledge of Christ.

Hmm, I don't believe I'm asking other people to love God on my behalf, that's actually really strange. Forgive me for feeling defensive but God and the search for the Lord, and love of the Lord is a personal journey. I don't expect anyone to walk that walk for me, nor would I want them to. I love Jesus and I would never expect anyone else to do the thinking part for me! ^_^

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Take heart. Don't get deceived into thinking there's some huge barrier stopping you from having a relationship with God. There's nothing impossible about your situation. There're no major problems you've had that would lead me to think God needs to compensate for any hardships you've had. Me, myself, I've had 3 siblings die during my short existence. I've often thought you were supposed to have tragedy in reverse (i.e. not when you're growing up) but it's not how it's been for me, and obviously for you. If you fall off the horse. Just get back on and ask God to help..... but believe and after you've tried persevering continue persevering.

Thank you, and I'm so sorry you've suffered, I can't imagine that sort of pain. God does work in mysterious ways though and I know He'll always be there for me.

God bless!
 
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In an ideal world perhaps, yet I was all but 11 years old when this began to unravel and no child at that age has the psychological (emotional) capacity to cope with that sort of dysfunction and consequently, during adolesence (a time of reasoning and questioning) find the strength to hold onto that spiritual foundation. Most adults can barely handle their problems and still believe in God (just look in this forum and read how many have doubts) let alone a little kid.
Agreed

Ha, well a lot of power in the country I live in as far as political influence goes and the country I live in is highly, highly corrupt so I'm not a big fan of the Vatican, to say the least. This may be why I'm also not a fan of mixing politics with religion.

A logical position. This made me think of philipians 2:3-8. As in why, would Jesus himself spurn being a politician for our sake? So if Jesus came as a Servant King, why do we get sucked in to tolerating bureaucratic christian insitutitions?

Build the masterpiece in your heart and soul, don't you think? I think God has had enough monuments built in His honor, the last thing He needs is another shrine. For every temple I see, I see more children who had nothing to eat and lack of empathy for those in need. I would rather build up temples of love and spirit to the Lord, not buildings of gold, but that's just my personal opinion. I think churches with fancy adornments can be pretty and artistic and all that, but I guess when I see a huge gold cross to me that equals money that could've clothed a homeless person.

Agreed. I recommend Isaiah 58, Jeremiah 7 and James 1:27.

I say 'our needs' within reason. God isn't going to conform to my every whim, I understand this, but I also think it behooves any person to find a church community and a church period that they enjoy and can relate to. I want to feel comfortable and welcomed, I want to feel I'm in a place, as you said, that supports non-violence, justice, etc. but you have to admit, not all churches have such qualities. I just know that, as I said, within reason, I won't feel 'at home' just anywhere.

Reasonable. I only said what I did because I wish the best for you as far as finding a church that will make you grow. I also know that sometimes when we don't like something about a church we are thinking of attending, it might be a "log in the eyes" issue - ie assigning external blame instead of looking internally.

That's a slippery slope, what if some of those politicians are Muslim or Buddhist and have Allah or Buddha on their brains while lobbying? You can't legislate religion, it isn't fair to those who don't share those particular views. I'm all for giving a voice to the less fortunate, but in my personal experience, I have yet to see a Christian politician lobby anything other than no abortion and no gay marriage. I don't really hear a rallying cry to help feed children and employ the homeless. I just think religion and politics mixing together is too dangerous and hasn't really led us anywhere better.

Agreed. It surprised me that Bush, a supposed Christian, would rather go to war in Iraq then forgive Al Queda in order to focus America's wealth on unemployment, homelessness and humanitarian causes.

Hmm, I don't believe I'm asking other people to love God on my behalf, that's actually really strange. Forgive me for feeling defensive but God and the search for the Lord, and love of the Lord is a personal journey. I don't expect anyone to walk that walk for me, nor would I want them to. I love Jesus and I would never expect anyone else to do the thinking part for me!
I was only giving my thoughts of what I thought would help. Semantically revisiting what I said, I wasn't implying that you should anything, I was commenting on the basis of what it seemed to me that you had done in the past and how I thought you should try to change for the better.

The bottom line. I've noticed that people who don't go to God enough, ask enough and allow God to change them directly enough can sometimes focus on how someone didn't do something for them and as result they don't trust God, christians, church and the bible anymore (an extreme case). This is usually due to misunderstanding where they ought to be with fellow christians, non-christians and God; plus what they ought to be doing. The solution is usually to find out by reading the bible yourself, rather than relying solely on Sunday sermons.

Thank you, and I'm so sorry you've suffered, I can't imagine that sort of pain. God does work in mysterious ways though and I know He'll always be there for me.

God bless you ! It's been good talking to you and I am confident God is able to supply your needs more than you can imagine.

With regards to prayer, remember james 4:1-3.

With regards to conduct, remember all of Matthew 5-7; and there's no end of things you can practise from the bible.

With regards to life, remember Hebrews 11 (particularly v39-40).

With regard to God's love, remember Romans 5:6-8.

Remember that many are called but few are chosen, therefore put your hope in God Himself, not other christians or "christian" leaders, because God doesn't disappoint.

I hope that you will know God more and that the knowledge of Him will make your life more perfect. God bless.
 
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