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TruelightUK

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I think we'd all agree that the central message of the New Testament is repentance; John preached it, Jesus pointed to it, the early Church commanded it. People asked 'How shall we be saved?' and the answer came:'(i) Repent of  (ie forsake and actively turn away from) your sins (ii) believe the Gospel (that Christ died for your sins and was raised again to set you free from them) (iii) Live a life worthy of repentance; be baptised and follow Christ as Lord, receiving the Holy Spirit, and walking in newness of life as the people of God' 

But when the Gospel is preached today, how faithful is that call to repentance to the Biblical model?  Because of our cultural filters and church traditions, most of the time in the West the message comes across as; 'Admit you've gone against God; say 'sorry' to Him for the bad things you've done, and God will forgive you and help you clean up your act.'  It's all a matter of individual purity and relationship with God through Jesus Christ.  But, if we read the Bible carefully, we see that 'repentence from sin' was a very much broader, more practical matter.  The New Testament does not just tackle the notion of sin as some general alienation from God, to be resolved on a personal one-to-one level. Sin is seen very much in its social context. Tax collectors are told, not just to say sorry to God for their greed, but to make restitution to those they have defrauded and abused and to start dealing honestly.  Soldiers are told to stop exploiting and plundering the civilian population. Masters are told to treat their slaves fairly and compassionately. Wealthy landowners are told to stop exploiting their workers, to pay them the just reward for their labours - and even to sell up and give their wealth to the poor! Salvation is about the Kingdom of Heaven invading the kingdom of this world; men and women are not 'born again' in isolation, but are addressed in their social context and are expected to embrace a whole new way of living, in fellowship with other believers, with values and behaviour which seriously challenge the standards of the society with which they have hitherto identified, and radically transform their relationships with the rest of humanity. They are not to be conformed to the sinful ways of the world, but to be transformed - not just spiritually or even intellectually, but practically, in the way they live their lives and interact with fallen society around them.  Where God's values conflict with those of society, the Christian has no choice but to confront the issues head on.  Repentance includes distancing oneself from and actively resisting and opposing the injustices and immoralities of the world in which we live; sin is not just some abstract generalised concept, but specific attitudes and actions - including our acquiescence with the corporate sins of the society in which we live. Yet how often is this communicated in our evangelistic addresses, or in the discipleship training of our churches?  As Chris Sugen said in his 1981 book "Radical Discipleship":

The Bible tells us to repent of our sin in order to commit ourselves to Christ. We apply this to sex and drugs. We fail to let the Scripture point out the glaring sins we participate in and benefit from in society, such as patterns of international trade.

It seems little has changed in the last 20 years! Much of our Western consumer driven prosperity is built on the backs of the third world poor, yet the world's biggest consumer, the USA, consistently refuses to cooperate with policies which would ease the burden on the world's poorest nations and slow down the environmental destruction which threatens millions because of the dtrimental affect this would have on the home economy and the comforts of the American people.  And how many good, Bible-believing Christians are content to go along with that, so long as prices in our shops stay low and our standard of living continues to rise?  How many Churches actively preach that to be born again we must renounce our involvement in economic practices which exploit the poor and vulnerable, even if that involves pesonal sacrifice?  So long as the congregation steer clear of extra-marital sex, don't smoke or drink excessively, obey the laws of the land (except perhaps those regarding speed limits and income tax), don't swear, or beat up their wives,  and keep paying their tithes,  then their salvation is secure and God's blessing is assured!

What would Jesus Christ's message be to this kind of religion - might he just tell us we needed to repent?

Anthony
 

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Repentance was a task that we were all required to fail at. It was a call for all to obey the law and allow it to accomplish it's stated task: to show each their fallen natue and the need to be born again.
That is repentance in a nutshell.
 
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TruelightUK

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So if you're 'born again' you don't need to repent?

And I always thought the two went hand in hand: repent from sin to righteousness; be born again from darkness to light. Jesus came to give divine empowerment to our repentance. Believe + repent + Holy Spirit = rebirth to good works. Jesus call was always 'to leave behind' the old and embrace the new, and so was ythat of the Apostles - you can't serve two masters!

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Originally posted by TruelightUK
How many Churches actively preach that to be born again we must renounce our involvement in economic practices which exploit the poor and vulnerable, even if that involves pesonal sacrifice?

Well, I definitely agree "putting of the old" and "putting on the new," i.e., sanctification, involves personal sacrifice.  However, I don't believe the Word tells us that we do anything to be born again.

I'll make it clearer from your last post:

And I always thought the two went hand in hand: repent from sin to righteousness; be born again from darkness to light.

I agree these go hand in hand.  However, I believe the order (if that's relevent) you have them in is wrong.  I would say, "be born again from darkness to light and be made righteous; repent from sin."

In other words, being reborn by the indwelling of the Holy Spirit enables us to believe and repent.

Repentence is important, I believe, because it shows that we acknowledge our subjugation to God's righteous Law and our inability to attain being conformed to the image of Christ apart from His Divine Providence.

God bless.
 
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When Jesus went around and started his ministry he said "Repent for the kingdom of heaven is at hand".
Repenting is a big step in maturity, but is it the foundation for salvation?

What happens if you repent and then sin again?


Sorry if I miss your point, I am tired and may not have read your post properly.
 
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TruelightUK

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It would be an interesting word study to go through the NT and count up how many times non-Christians were commanded to 'repent' and compare with how many times they were to told to 'be born again'. Which leads to what is, to my mind something of a chicken and egg argument.

However, for the purposes of this thread, suffice it to say that you cannot truly be born again without repentance from sin; this means a deliberate turning away from all ungodly attitudes, behaviours and associations and a committment to actively working for the increase of God's Kingdom in this world (in every dimension of life) - not just some vague sorrow for personal impurity (which is, essentially, selfish: focussing exclusively on my relationship with God and eternal security). God's purposes for his people have always had a social dimension, which, in Western individualist culture, can often be ignored or underplayed. From a Biblical perspective (Old and New Testament) the people of God must separate themselves form the ungodly ways of worldly society; we are to be an alternative society, based on godly principles, and conduct ourselves in line with our calling as Children of God, sacrificing ourselves for the good of others, both within and outside the community of faith. This does not mean that we will not at times fail and need to confess those failures - but it does mean that we must be committed to finding out and expressing the will of God in every situation. Without that committment, can we truly be said to be 'born again' and under the Lordship of Christ?

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Originally posted by TruelightUK
However, for the purposes of this thread, suffice it to say that you cannot truly be born again without repentance from sin; this means a deliberate turning away from all ungodly attitudes, behaviours and associations and a committment to actively working for the increase of God's Kingdom in this world (in every dimension of life) - not just some vague sorrow for personal impurity (which is, essentially, selfish: focussing exclusively on my relationship with God and eternal security).

Just so I understand, are you asking that if a person doesn't agree with this theory of "deliberatly turning away from sin" in order that they may be born again that they not post on your thread?  It's okay if you are, I just don't want to continue posting in this thread if that's what you're asking.

Thanks,

God bless.
 
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I used to teach a lesson to adults about repentance. It sounds bad until you understand what I am saying. The title of the message was "Don't Repent". This is a part of the introduction:

...It is necessary for us to step back and consider a number of definitions and contexts. The doctrine of repentance is extensive and deep. There are variations according to who we are talking to. We will support all of the following with scripture in the coming lessons.

We shall see that: *the gentiles, who were sinners and had no knowledge of God, were called upon repent from sin. *the Jews, who were trying to attain righteousness by the law, had to repent from obeying the law (hence the phase "dead works")! *the Christian, is to repent from known sin, while at the same time, believe that righteousness is only dependant on the work of Christ on the Cross.

Let us first look at an overview of the foundation of repentance from dead works. God is Holy, therefore we must be holy if we are to approach God. The spirit of man has the nature of the devil, being incurably wicked, therefore: Unregenerate man cannot do works that please God. Because the wickedness in man's spirit is incurable, he must be born again with a new, godly spirit. God sent Jesus to die on the cross for the sins of mankind, and raised Him from the dead to provide the new birth. All who believe in(to) Jesus partake of the resurrection of Jesus from spiritual death. All who are born again have the righteous and holy divine nature of God.

You can see that the way these truths are delivered will vary according to who it is you are talking to.

If you are talking to a person who has never know about God or holiness, you would have to convince them of their fallen state by bringing them under conviction for their sins.

The person who is confident that they are already holy and have no need of salvation will need to be convinced of their sinfulness. But to do this, you must first convince them that the outward obedience to the law is not holiness. God looks at the heart, and the inside is full of dead men's bones. 

The gospel will be preached differently to each of these. The gospel is still the same, but it will be delivered from a different point of view for each. 
 
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TruelightUK

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Hey, folk can disagree as much as they like!

I was saying I didn't want to get too side-tracked into which comes first - repentance or re-birth - but ratehr to concentrate on what repentace entails. And I think it would be very hard to prove from Scripture that you can avoid repenting at some point and still truly be a Christian (disciple of Jesus) in the full Bilbical sense.

But if anyone wants to try and prove me wrong, I'd be interested to see what they come up with!

Anthony
 
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Originally posted by TruelightUK
And I think it would be very hard to prove from Scripture that you can avoid repenting at some point and still truly be a Christian (disciple of Jesus) in the full Bilbical sense.

I agree.  And, as you said, repentence is more than just feeling remorseful about something.  It is not only a turning away from sin.  It is also a turning towards God's righteous Word in obedience.  Which is basically what our entire Christian lives are like.  Takes a lot of practice.

God bless.
 
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Why repentance is meant to fail

 

...the nature of the unregenerate man is evil, and cannot do good. (Matt 7:18) We have seen that even the good things he attempts to do are filthy rags before a righteous God. (Isa 64:6) What then does this mean to the unregenerate? What is the preaching of repentance to the lost?

Understand that the unregenerate cannot do good. He cannot obey the law. HE CANNOT accomplish the act of repentance. This with the understanding that repentance means to cease from all sin, within and without. The sinner attempting to accomplish this impossible task will shortly discover his lost condition. For it is the purpose of the law, as well as the call to repentance, to prepare the way of the Lord in the hearts of the lost. It brings them to the place where they see and understand their lost condition, and see the need for salvation. Without the call to repentance, the lost is not convinced of his dilemma. As Paul said in Romans 3:

Romans 3 
19 Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them  who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the  world may become guilty before God. {guilty...: or, subject to the judgment of God} 
20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in  his sight: for by the law [is] the knowledge of sin.
 

Repentance preached to the lost is for one purpose. It is not meant to be accomplished. It is meant to be a failed effort. It is meant to display by trial the nature of the lost one. It never ceases to amaze me when I hear people claim to have successfully repented from sin BEFORE they were born again. I always have to wonder how they did this? Especially in view of the fact that the scriptures say they cannot do it. If they could do it, then that would be proof that they did not need to be saved. It would be proof that they actually had a divine nature within them, and did not have to be born again. Such ones no doubt really do believe that they have accomplished the feat. Yet I wonder how they ever come to the place of godly sorrow. Why did they have to call upon the name of the Lord to be saved? 

Look at the preaching of John the Baptist, and what Matthew had to say about it:

Matthew 3 
2 And saying, Repent ye: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand. 
3 For this is he that was spoken of by the prophet Esaias, saying,  The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of  the Lord, make his paths straight.
 

A quote from Isaiah. Look at the original quote, and you will see an important truth:

Isai 40:3 (YLT) 
A voice is crying--in a wilderness--Prepare ye the way of Jehovah,  Make straight in a desert a highway to our God.
 

You can see from the original OT quote, the the way was being prepared TO our God. A path was _not_ being prepared for Jesus by John. Rather OUR path back to God was being prepared! Repentance is not the path, repentance _prepares_ the path. It creates the path in us. We will go on to see how repentance prepares the path for the gospel.

Read further in Isaiah: 
 

Isai 57 
14 And he hath said, `Raise up, raise up, prepare a way, Lift a  stumbling-block out of the way of My people.' 
15 For thus said the high and exalted One, Inhabiting eternity, and  holy [is] His name: `In the high and holy place I dwell, And with  the bruised and humble of spirit, To revive the spirit of the humble,  And to revive the heart of bruised ones,'
 

So the preaching of repentance by John was to prepare the way TO the Lord. Repentance is not the way, it is something that is done to prepare one for the way. The way is by grace through faith. One must be humbled, broken, and be made to see their lost condition before they will cry out for mercy. As long as they are holding on to their own forms of self righteousness, they cannot call out to the Lord for mercy. This is what repentance is all about. It is a rod to break the self will and self righteousness. It prepares them for the gospel of salvation by faith. 

Look at the results of the preaching of John. It was not holiness and righteousness as one suspects, rather it was merely the confession of sins. The fruit of repentance is the realization and admission of one's sinful nature, as shown by the confession of sins at their baptism.

Matthew 3 6 
And were baptized of him in Jordan, confessing their sins.
 

The reaction of John to the self righteous Pharisees and Sadducees further

Matthew 3 
7 But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees come to his baptism, he said unto them, O generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come? 
8 Bring forth therefore fruits meet for repentance:
 

The Psalms tell who it is that is prepared for salvation:

Psalms 34
18 The LORD [is] nigh unto them that are of a broken heart; and saveth such as be of a contrite spirit. {unto...: Heb. to the broken of heart} {of a contrite...: Heb. contrite of spirit}
 

So repentance from sin is a requirement we must all fail at. It is designed to reveal to us our fallen nature, and prepare us for the way of the Lord, which is salvation by faith.

 
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Didaskolos:

That is precisely why we are to repent and believe the Gospel (which gives us the power to truly change)!

But I agree the exact nature of that from which we are to repent will vary depending on our personal background and the culture in which we live. I'd say that, as wealthy Westerners we are to repent (among other things) of oppressing and exploiting the poor, particularly those in developing countries. In certain Eastern European countries, people may need to repent of perpetuating a system based on bribery and intimidation. In India, there is the repressive stratification of the caste system, in Southern Africa the heritage of apartheid. These corporate and social evils are as much to be repented of and brought in line with God's word as are the more 'traditional' areas of personal morality and religious idolatry.

Anthony
 
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Originally posted by Reformationist
It is not only a turning away from sin.  It is also a turning towards God's righteous Word in obedience.  Which is basically what our entire Christian lives are like.  Takes a lot of practice.

Amen!

I'd just add that this process must also affect our entire lives as Christians - there is no aspect too 'secular' to be affected by God's Word. As we are increasingly conformed to His image, we must be radically changed from obedience to this world's thinking to submission to His standards, so that our actions increasingly reflect and embody His actions.  Our initial repentance must innevitably be largely one of general principle (from darkness to light) the full implications of which it will be our life's task to discover - but discover we must if we are to be truly obedient to the one we call Lord!

Anthony
 
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Originally posted by TruelightUK
Didaskolos:

That is precisely why we are to repent and believe the Gospel (which gives us the power to truly change)!

But I agree the exact nature of that from which we are to repent will vary depending on our personal background and the culture in which we live. I'd say that, as wealthy Westerners we are to repent (among other things) of oppressing and exploiting the poor, particularly those in developing countries. In certain Eastern European countries, people may need to repent of perpetuating a system based on bribery and intimidation. In India, there is the repressive stratification of the caste system, in Southern Africa the heritage of apartheid. These corporate and social evils are as much to be repented of and brought in line with God's word as are the more 'traditional' areas of personal morality and religious idolatry.

Anthony

Do those developing countrys have "In God we Trust" on there money?
Do they honor God at all?

America has alot of sin going on, but we are also paying for it.

One other thing, every country that needs help has missionarys going to them. Its not like they don't recieve any help. If they as a country would turn to God, repent, and give him oppertunity to rebuild the country, then there would be alot of changes.
 
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Isaiah 26:10 and Romans 11:6

By grace not works. Isn't repentance a form of a work? Isn't it something you have to do? Repentance won't save you! It is only bye the grace of God that you can ever be saved. However, we are still called to repent. That just means that it is for the better good of those who are still lost that we repent. It is what God wants in the first place. "there will be more joy in heaven over one who repents than over ninety-nine persons who need no repentance at all" (Luke 15:7) right? Why would God be happy over something He didn't want?? But my point is... no matter what you repent of, your repentance will never save you! Salvation is through Jesus Christ and Jesus Christ alone. That's my spill :) Have a great day!
 
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TruelightUK

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The more of our life that we give to God, the more he can do with it.

That is precisely my point! If you truly 'give your life to God', then that will innevitably involve a radical change in the way you live: not just the theoretical spiritual perspective, but the practical outworkings of life. This is repentance! Turning away from sin (with God's help) and embracing the ways of righteousness (which go far beyond mere personal morality). This is a costly thing - dying to self and following him - and I suspect not all our evangelism is upfront about the sacrifice involved; but it's clearly there in the words of Jesus.

Of course salvation is by grace, through faith and not the result of any works of ours. Yet faith not demonstrated in appropriate actions is dead; unproductive and void; we are, in effect, declared righteous by our actions and not by a mere confession of faith alone. If we truly have faith in God who justifies and saves us, then that will be seen in our determination to separate ourselves from the ungodly ways of this world and live our lives (in every aspect) to His glory and honour - as a living testimony to His goodness, grace, justice and purity.

I'm pushing nothing, other than the hope that, by examining honestly and without prejudice what the Bible says, we can all come to a better understanding of what it means to be a child of God and so live more effectively fo him in this world and receive the due reward in the next.

Anthony
 
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