Is homosexual love immoral?

SimplyMe · Apr 29, 2007

chnchris said:
Besides, it really doesn't matter what i say about
homosexuality on here, those who are opposed are
either gay or non-Christians and have not the Holy
Spirit in their lives. So sad.

Lord have mercy.

Umm... try again.

Signed,
Married (as in straight) and Christian

uberd00b · Apr 29, 2007

chnchris said:
Is homosexual love immoral?

One thing is for certain. The love shown by "Christians" such as chnchris towards homosexuals is most certainly immoral. Also, unethical, primitive, prejudiced and completely detached from honesty and reality.

SimplyMe · Apr 29, 2007

chnchris said:
One more time for you:

So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them. God blessed them and said to them, Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it. (Gen 1:27-28)

So the LORD God caused a deep sleep to fall upon the man, and he slept; then He took one of his ribs and closed up the flesh at that place. The LORD God fashioned into a woman the rib which He had taken from the man, and brought her to the man. The man said, This is now bone of my bones and flesh of my flesh; she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man. For this reason a man shall leave his father and his mother, and be joined to his wife; and they shall become one flesh. (Gen 2:21-24)

Jesus reaffirms the sacrament of marriage in the NT:

And He answered and said, "Have you not read that He who created them from the beginning MADE THEM MALE AND FEMALE, and said, FOR THIS REASON A MAN SHALL LEAVE HIS FATHER AND MOTHER AND BE JOINED TO HIS WIFE AND THE TWO SHALL BECOME ONE FLESH? So they are no longer two, but one flesh. What therefore God has joined together, let no man separate. (Mt 19:4-6)

So, explain to me, if they are to become one flesh than what is the story for one man and multiple wives? Such was clearly condoned in the Old Testament times (Exodus 21:10) and the Bible never condemns polygamy -- the only place it even gets close is saying that church leaders should have one wife.

Beyond that, your entire argument is a logical fallacy.

SimplyMe · Apr 29, 2007

chnchris said:
It was 1973 and they removed it because it was not a
psychological disorder, but a "lifestyle choice", which
i actually agree with.

Let's try this again, and put an end to the false idea claimed by many ex-gay websites. One of the people currently seen as a champion of the ex-gay cause, Robert Spitzer, was a primary cause of homosexuality being removed from the DSM.

Spitzer, a psychiatrist and psychoanalyst, had been a major participant in developing DSM-II. Although aware of its limitations, he had not considered re-evaluating whether homosexuality was an illness until he met Ron Gold at the APA meeting in 1972. Subsequently, in a paper distributed after the 1973 symposium, Should Homosexuality Be in the APA Nomenclature?, Spitzer noted that homosexuality was the only mental disorder in the DSM-II that neither regularly caused subjective distress nor impaired social effectiveness or functioning. Since many homosexuals are quite satisfied with their sexual orientation and demonstrate no generalized impairment in social effectiveness, Spitzer wrote, homosexuality did not meet the requirements for a psychiatric disorder.

As an alternative, Spitzer proposed adding Sexual Orientation Disturbance as a category to apply to those homosexuals who are in some way bothered by their sexual orientation. Although several gay activists and their supporters opposed Spitzers initiative, Spitzer prevailed and went on to chair revision and development of DSM-III.

Notice that the paper written was based on psychological reasons and not political ones; further, please note that most gays actually opposed Spitzer's initiative -- a far cry from what those ex-gay groups claim. source

chnchris said:
That is a false statement. Your own supporters on here have
said they can be obtained through drug use or transfusions.
Additionally, 2 virgins marrying would be safe as well, ie,
God's plan.

I won't deny that STDs (which I said, and not AIDs) can sometimes be contracted by means other than sex. Yet, the fact that I said STD, it is true that if you never have sex you won't have a disease transmitted to you through sex. Two virgins might be safe, assuming neither partner ever cheats. Yet, my point was, since you can't control what you partner might do, you can't be absolutely safe even marrying a virgin.

SimplyMe · Apr 29, 2007

chnchris said:
http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm5445a1.htm

Try again. You claimed here, "I have listed scientifical and biological reasons why homosexuality is unnatural but still people cling to their homosexual doctrines." Statistics about AIDs prove nothing about homosexuality except that some people can get AIDs if they have sex with someone who has AIDs, just like the statistics also show heterosexuals can. I'll be waiting for your evidence, I've still not seen where you have posted any real evidence that actually supports your claim.

*Starlight* · Apr 29, 2007

ManOfTheAmish said:
I have listed scientifical and biological reasons why homosexuality is unnatural but still people cling to their homosexual doctrines.

If someone listed scientific and biological reasons why using the internet to talk to people is an unnatural form of communication, would you still cling to your internet doctrines?

chnchris · Apr 29, 2007

Arnold_Philips said:
My money's on the fact that you don't know much about genetics or biology in general.

But he does know the biology of natural human reproduction.

crazyfingers · Apr 29, 2007

chnchris said:
But he does know the biology of natural human reproduction.

Reproductive biology has nothing to do with whether homosexuality is moral or not.

chnchris · Apr 29, 2007

SimplyMe said:
I won't deny that STDs (which I said, and not AIDs) can sometimes be contracted by means other than sex. Yet, the fact that I said STD, it is true that if you never have sex you won't have a disease transmitted to you through sex. Two virgins might be safe, assuming neither partner ever cheats. Yet, my point was, since you can't control what you partner might do, you can't be absolutely safe even marrying a virgin.

Can you explain to me how it is not absolutely safe to
marry a virgin? Do you know the definition of a virgin?

chnchris · Apr 29, 2007

Red530 said:
Never in the Bible does it say that homosexuality is sinful. All it says in the Bible is that homosexual sex out of marriage is sinful, at least that is what it says in my CATHOLIC BIBLE.

Scripture please.

quatona · Apr 29, 2007

chnchris said:
Can you explain to me how it is not absolutely safe to
marry a virgin? Do you know the definition of a virgin?

Someone who has never had sexual intercourse, doesn´t do hard drugs, doesn´t work in a hospital and had never had a blood transfusion?

chnchris · Apr 29, 2007

seebs said:
What I would see as immoral is putting scare quotes around love to imply that it's not really love.Love is love. God is God.Half-baked analysis of misunderstood Greek doesn't change this.

Homosexual sex is not love.

quatona · Apr 29, 2007

chnchris said:
Homosexual sex is not love.

Yes, it is not necessarily love. Neither is heterosexual sex.
Both can be an expression of love.

SimplyMe · Apr 29, 2007

chnchris said:
Can you explain to me how it is not absolutely safe to
marry a virgin? Do you know the definition of a virgin?

Actually, please do not misrepresent what I said. My comment was, "Yet, my point was, since you can't control what your partner might do, you can't be absolutely safe even marrying a virgin." The fact that I mentioned the word "partner", that should imply that it is after they are married and are presumably no longer a virgin. It was even further clarified by my statement, "Two virgins might be safe, assuming neither partner ever cheats." Yes, a virgin is someone who has never had sex, and if they are virgins prior to getting married that implies that after marriage they have had sex -- thus my statement that two virgins may be safe if it is assumed that neither of them ever cheats.

Krete · Apr 29, 2007

chnchris said:
Scripture please.

How do you post Scripture for a lack of Scripture?

Find me a book that says that it does not contain a page 345!

Goodchild · Apr 29, 2007

quatona said:
Someone who has never had sexual intercourse, doesn´t do hard drugs, doesn´t work in a hospital and had never had a blood transfusion?

You forgot:

Did not have a parent (transmission of STD from parent to child is common), has never come in contact with another person at all (STD's can be transmitted through kissing and even casual contact, though unlikely. Also, oral sex), has never worn another persons clothing, etc ...

crazyfingers · Apr 29, 2007

chnchris said:
Homosexual sex is not love.

I see that you think that you can read minds.

quatona · Apr 29, 2007

Goodchild said:
You forgot:

Did not have a parent (transmission of STD from parent to child is common), has never come in contact with another person at all (STD's can be transmitted through kissing and even casual contact, though unlikely. Also, oral sex), has never worn another persons clothing, etc ...

Yeah, right. It´s hard to be a virgin these days.

chnchris · Apr 29, 2007

Krete said:
How do you post Scripture for a lack of Scripture?

He said,
[Originally Posted by Red530

All it says in the Bible is that homosexual sex out of marriage is sinful, at least that is what it says in my CATHOLIC BIBLE].

i asked for the Scripture he's referencing above;
try to stay with us here Krete.

chnchris · Apr 29, 2007

quatona said:
Yeah, right. It´s hard to be a virgin these days.

But still possible with God's grace.

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