is it truly 'rhema' words? or 'vain babblings'?

gracechick · Apr 19, 2007

Folks whats up with all the finger pointing, name calling & all around bad attitude on threads in some of these forums?

The last time I read the scriptures He states they will know we are His by our love...which would mean respect, care, kindness, grace, forgivness and all around Christlike behavior towards one another.

Don't know if anyone else feels the same way, but if an unbeliever could pop on here wanting to study the thread...I would be worried.

We can agree to disagree with one another, but we don't have to sound like & are commanded not to sound like the world. We are embassadors.

murjahel · Apr 19, 2007

Now that we have looked at many
kinds of true rhema,
and some kinds of vain babblings,
we should be able to recognize the difference
between the two.

One major problem in Christianity,
is that many do not see the difference
though.

To discuss this, and to open eyes
as to the differences between the two
greatly disturbs the devils...
for they would like vain babblings to be
called rhema, and rhema to be called
vain babblings.

In many, this has occurred,
and the devils do not want their eyes to be
opened.

False ones have put veils
over the faces of many in churches.

These veils partially hindered the vision
to allow the false vain babblers to use slight of hand and trickery with less chance of being caught.

Many, then and now, preach a veiled gospel,
hindering people from seeing the truth,
misleading people from the correct way,
tricking people into
not seeing the real messages of God,
the rhema not being heard or accepted,
those ones beneath the veils,
believe the vain babblings to be truth.

Like the veils, hindering perception...
many false doctrines keep the congregations from seeing God's ways...

A true prophet has a holy boldness against sin,
and he never white-washes sin.

Many of the vain babblings are teaching
that sins that damn, are not even sins.

The prophets, O.T. and N.T., identified sin,
sought to get people to change, repent,
and know the truth.

Vain babbling ones will ignore sin,
or whitewash sin.
Vain babblers will
"strenghten the hands of the wicked..."

We need to learn how to identify
what is rhema from God,
and what is vain babbling.

murjahel · Apr 19, 2007

When we speak rhema,
those speaking vain babblings,
will confront us.

One does not need to seek out
the vain babblers to confront,
for they seek our the rhema speakers.

Paul had a confrontation with a magician called

"Elymas".

This Elymas noticed that one of the town, one of great importance, was listening to Paul.

So, he came to Paul, Paul did not need to seek him out... This Elymas was afraid of losing converts to himself...

He tried to turn away the deputy from the faith.

Luke refers to this Elymas as a "magus".
Acts 13:6_8 (NKJV)
{6} Now when they had gone through the island to Paphos,
they found a certain sorcerer,
a false prophet,
a Jew whose name was Bar_Jesus,
{7} who was with the proconsul,
Sergius Paulus, an intelligent man.
This man called for Barnabas and Saul
and sought to hear the word of God.
{8} But Elymas the sorcerer
(for so his name is translated) withstood them,
seeking to turn the proconsul away from the faith."

When ones like unto Paul,
who was a man eager to spread
the gospel message,
is seen as a threat to ones like
Elymas,
the 'Elymas' magicians,
who have only self glorification
goals, want the people to stay
in awe of them,
not learn to worship God,
and they will
confront the rhema speakers.

Their vain babblings are being
recognized by the 'light' of the rhema
of the ones in true faith.

So... speak rhema,
and watch the vain babblers
come to attack...

Keep speaking rhema,
and they will scheme, plot,
attack, berate, hate, lie about,
etc... etc...

murjahel · Apr 19, 2007

You would expect, or hope,
that all rhema words would be
given standing ovations,
and all 'vain babblings' would
be rejected immediately.

Yet, in reality, that has never happened
consistently.
For they rejected Jesus' words,
and crucified Him,
Paul preached Jesus, spoke rhema words,
and they beat him oft,
stoned him once,
imprisoned him and finally beheaded him.

Simon magus could take the perverted
doctrines he devised,
promise many they could become gods,
and he did not die, till he fell to his
death while trying to fly up into the heavens,
to copy if he could the ascension of Jesus..
The fall killed him,
and his friends waited three days to bury
him, hoping he would be resurrected as had
Jesus.

Why the constant persecution of those
with rhema, and the adoration of many
who give only vain (worthless) babblings????

Many of the rhema's of the O.T. and N.T.
speak of judgment to come...
We find a tribulation of 7 years predicted,
in which major judgmets befall the world.
Prophets spoke of this coming time
and this is hard for the prophet
who must announce judgment,
and yet his words seem unfulfilled for a long time.

Many have mocked the true prophet's message because of this merciful delay by God.

There is a point in God's dealings with sinful mankind, that He has His prophets announce a coming judgment.

In this case for Jeremiah,
God wanted the people warned of chastisement from Babylon.
It was now obvious to Jeremiah that Babylon was the "foe from the north" that God had him announce would come years before. God would soon use Babylon to be the agent of chastisement for His people.

There was only one hope to avoid this judgment from the north - REPENT.
As much as the hearers hate hearing about
judgment, they hate even more the word,
'repent'...
So, many rhema words are rejected...

Jeremiah put his prophecies into written form.
He commanded Baruch to read the scroll of parchment, with Gods message to them in the temple on a fast day.
Jeremiah was at the time "shut up", and could not go to the temple. (36:5, 20:1-6) He was "shut up" in the court of the prison temporarily. Jeremiah 33:1

"Moreover, the word of the Lord came unto Jeremiah
the second time,
while he was shut up in the court of the prison..."

The people did not want to hear Jeremiah's message,
so much that the leaders
had Jeremiah locked up in the prison.

What harm, they thought, could he do there!

Rejection of the message of God's prophets is very common today also.

There is a "NOT-FOR-ME SYNDROME"
that has been very contagious
in religious circles of our times,
as well as in Jeremiah's.

"I'm holy, Spirit-filled..." they think.
"I don't need this type of message",
they reason.

Many rhema messages of the true prophets has been ignored.

David Wilkerson has been prophesying of a great judgment on the church, and nation for years.
How many Christians could tell what he has been preaching? Not many! It has been ignored by most Christians.

We need to learn to listen to sermons and messages from God with RAKES, and not PITCHFORKS.

Far too many "saints" have trained themselves to listen to sermons, and think "That's for so and so..."

Instead we need to listen, and search for the part, or whole, that is for ourselves.

A RAKE is much more spiritual than a PITCHFORK.

Jeremiah's sermon was printed on a roll of parchment. Baruch was commissioned by Jeremiah to take the roll and read it before the people.

It took some time for Baruch to deliver this message. It was not immediately read. In the ninth month of the next year (at least 9 months later), it was read.

Finally, Baruch gathered enough courage to speak the message.

As Baruch read, a silence fell over the people.

The words of Jeremiah's sermon told of Judah's sin.

Jeremiah told of God's repeated efforts to bring Israel back to righteousness.

Finally, there was given the declaration that the nation repent or face God's judgment from Babylon.

The people grew silent.
There were no "AMENS" being shouted.

Some want to hear only sermons that make them shout "AMEN".
Many sermons from God, cause a hush.

That is because the Holy Spirit is stepping on toes, and if one yells "OUCH", everyone will realize whose toes have been stomped.

The devil would like to substitute
for rhema words,
some vain babblings,
that would get the preacher a standing
ovation,
and they could then continue in their sins,
patting themselves on the back...

murjahel · Apr 19, 2007

murjahel said:
When we speak rhema,

those speaking vain babblings,
will confront us.

One does not need to seek out
the vain babblers to confront,
for they seek our the rhema speakers.

Paul had a confrontation with a magician called "Elymas".

This Elymas noticed that one of the town, one of great importance, was listening to Paul.

So, he came to Paul, Paul did not need to seek him out... This Elymas was afraid of losing converts to himself...

He tried to turn away the deputy from the faith.

Luke refers to this Elymas as a "magus".
Acts 13:6_8 (NKJV)
{6} Now when they had gone through the island to Paphos,
they found a certain sorcerer,
a false prophet,
a Jew whose name was Bar_Jesus,
{7} who was with the proconsul,
Sergius Paulus, an intelligent man.
This man called for Barnabas and Saul
and sought to hear the word of God.
{8} But Elymas the sorcerer
(for so his name is translated) withstood them,
seeking to turn the proconsul away from the faith."

When ones like unto Paul,
who was a man eager to spread
the gospel message,
is seen as a threat to ones like
Elymas,
the 'Elymas' magicians,
who have only self glorification
goals, want the people to stay
in awe of them,
not learn to worship God,
and they will
confront the rhema speakers.

Their vain babblings are being
recognized by the 'light' of the rhema
of the ones in true faith.

So... speak rhema,
and watch the vain babblers
come to attack...

Keep speaking rhema,
and they will scheme, plot,
attack, berate, hate, lie about,
etc... etc...

I think I scared some
to keep quiet...

after all, if some do not know
any Scripture to counter the rhema,
they will attack how you post,
your hair do,
or something....

Not a job that many Christians
want...
to speak rhema,
and have all sorts of attack...

So... if you keep silent,
you may miss some exciting events...

Foxholes were not made for God's
army...

The prophets in the Bible,
had many an attack...
but they also had dreams, visions,
etc...

Do you think there may have been
a connection???

~GodsMouthpiece~ · Apr 19, 2007

murjahel said:
I think I scared some

to keep quiet...

after all, if some do not know
any Scripture to counter the rhema,
they will attack how you post,
your hair do,
or something....

Not a job that many Christians
want...
to speak rhema,
and have all sorts of attack...

So... if you keep silent,
you may miss some exciting events...

Foxholes were not made for God's
army...

The prophets in the Bible,
had many an attack...
but they also had dreams, visions,
etc...

Do you think there may have been
a connection???

Sure, God loves to encourage the prophet
in his time of trouble..He also
will give them visions and dreams
in times of great worship..(which I prefer...lol)

He gives words of knowledge in vision form,
to prepare for an upcoming event, or
warn others of something ahead..

The warnings given by the prophet are
rhema from the Lord..

Myself, I just wish some visions I've
already had that I know are only
"in part" will get some answers SOON...lol

The one I want more answers on
will be an spectacular epoch for sure..

~RENEE~ · Apr 19, 2007

I think I scared some to keep quiet...

We got tired of being attacked. For not agreeing with you.

~GodsMouthpiece~ · Apr 19, 2007

Trees so close to the river, yet barren of fruit..

Psalm 1

1 Blessed is the man that walketh not in the
counsel of the ungodly, nor standeth in the
way of sinners, nor sitteth in the seat
of the scornful.
2 But his delight is in the law of the LORD;
and in his law doth he meditate day and night.

3 And he shall be like a tree planted by the
rivers of water, that bringeth forth his fruit
in his season; his leaf also shall not wither;
and whatsoever he doeth shall prosper.

4 The ungodly are not so: but are like the
chaff which the wind driveth away.

5 Therefore the ungodly shall not stand
in the judgment, nor sinners in the
congregation of the righteous.

6 For the LORD knoweth the way of the
righteous: but the way of the ungodly shall perish.

I wonder if The author of this psalm got this in vision form
of the white throne judgement?

Galations 5:22

22But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace,
longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
23Meekness, temperance: against such there
is no law. 24And they that are Christ’s have
crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.
25If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the
Spirit. 26Let us not be desirous of vain glory,
provoking one another, envying one another.

wizeone · Apr 19, 2007

~RENEE~ said:
We got tired of being attacked. For not agreeing with you.

What she said

murjahel · Apr 19, 2007

~RENEE~ said:
We got tired of being attacked. For not agreeing with you.

When someone disagrees with
me,
I expect a Scriptural
discussion...

I do not call it 'disagreement'
with me,
when posting style and insults
come...

and I have not attacked anyone...
I have objected to
off topic posts,
which I do not Call 'attacks'

murjahel · Apr 19, 2007

Jeremiah29_11 said:
Trees so close to the river, yet barren of fruit..

Psalm 1

1 Blessed is the man that walketh not in the
counsel of the ungodly, nor standeth in the
way of sinners, nor sitteth in the seat
of the scornful.
2 But his delight is in the law of the LORD;
and in his law doth he meditate day and night.

3 And he shall be like a tree planted by the
rivers of water, that bringeth forth his fruit
in his season; his leaf also shall not wither;
and whatsoever he doeth shall prosper.

4 The ungodly are not so: but are like the
chaff which the wind driveth away.

5 Therefore the ungodly shall not stand
in the judgment, nor sinners in the
congregation of the righteous.

6 For the LORD knoweth the way of the
righteous: but the way of the ungodly shall perish.

I wonder if The author of this psalm got this in vision form
of the white throne judgement?

Galations 5:22

22But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace,
longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
23Meekness, temperance: against such there
is no law. 24And they that are Christs have
crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.
25If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the
Spirit. 26Let us not be desirous of vain glory,

provoking one another, envying one another.

I was talking today with an old friend,
about how we will someday be able to ask
some of these writers, for more details
on how they got their rhema words,
the visions they had while receiving some
information they then shared...

the in between the lines info
that we are so far missing...

imagine sitting down with Paul,
and hearing some more of the details of
his visit to the 'third heaven'...
and some of the 'unexplainable things
he could not then share...

great 'classes' coming up
for us....
I am gonna love it...

JTM3 · Apr 19, 2007

murjahel said:
I was talking today with an old friend,
about how we will someday be able to ask
some of these writers, for more details
on how they got their rhema words,
the visions they had while receiving some
information they then shared...

the in between the lines info
that we are so far missing...

imagine sitting down with Paul,
and hearing some more of the details of
his visit to the 'third heaven'...
and some of the 'unexplainable things
he could not then share...

great 'classes' coming up
for us....
I am gonna love it...

~GodsMouthpiece~ · Apr 19, 2007

murjahel said:
I was talking today with an old friend,

about how we will someday be able to ask
some of these writers, for more details
on how they got their rhema words,
the visions they had while receiving some
information they then shared...

the in between the lines info
that we are so far missing...

imagine sitting down with Paul,
and hearing some more of the details of
his visit to the 'third heaven'...
and some of the 'unexplainable things
he could not then share...

great 'classes' coming up
for us....

I am gonna love it...

Well I hope its soon..Ive been on the
edge of my seat for about 3 days..

Somethings about to happen..
I hope your friend is who I think He is..

suckerfish · Apr 20, 2007

Oh murjahel I don't care what anybody says, you are the Christ come again. I love all your words.

Bless you bless you for giving us such favor.

KingZzub · Apr 20, 2007

murjahel said:
When someone disagrees with

me,
I expect a Scriptural
discussion...

I do not call it 'disagreement'
with me,
when posting style and insults
come...

and I have not attacked anyone...
I have objected to
off topic posts,
which I do not all 'attacks'

Thanks for clearing that up.

Cheers,
|ZZ|

KingZzub · Apr 20, 2007

murjahel said:
I was talking today with an old friend,

about how we will someday be able to ask
some of these writers, for more details
on how they got their rhema words,
the visions they had while receiving some
information they then shared...

the in between the lines info
that we are so far missing...

imagine sitting down with Paul,
and hearing some more of the details of
his visit to the 'third heaven'...
and some of the 'unexplainable things
he could not then share...

great 'classes' coming up
for us....

I am gonna love it...

I just cannot imagine being in heaven and seeking down Paul for a report on heaven. I will be too busy enjoying it for myself...

Just a thought... a discussion, a disagreement, whatever it was that you liked to call it!

Cheers,
|ZZ|

murjahel · Apr 20, 2007

Matthew 12:36 speaks of
the fact we shall someday
give account for every 'idle word'...

This refers to 'worthless words ...

The word 'idle'
is from the Greek word
'argos',
meaning
'not working'...

The word 'rhema' here is not referring to
'rhema' from God,
for 'rhema' by itself means 'spoken word'
and our words not sourced from God,
are not 'rhema from God' but only
rhema of our own, or of another source...

So... idle words are words that we may
speak that are not working as God would
want them to work,
and we will give account for them...

Surely, we can joke, talk of gardening,
housekeeping, politics, sports, etc..
and if they are not harmful to the kingdom,
those would not be considered 'idle rhema'...

but...
if words we speak do not contribute
to the kingdom,
but rather do harm to the kingdom,
they are 'idle rhema'...

I have heard some give 'supposed 'words'
of prophetic message and be far from
the truth, not sourced from God...
perhaps trying to get people to do what
they wanted, and did not want a vote on
it, so they spoke that God was telling
all to do it...

Those definitely were 'idle words'...
for it was a 'lie' to even say God said it...

I have seen some give interpretations
to dreams,
and with one dream, you may have
20 different interpretations,
all claiming to be 'inspired of God'...
are not 19 of them, maybe all 20,
'idle words'???
For God, if He were speaking a message
in that dream, had one message,
not 20 different ones,
to leave the person more confused than ever....

Some mocked Jesus on the cross...
were they 'idle words'???

Some charged Peter to not speak in
Jesus' name anymore...
were they 'idle words'...

Some mocked Elisha,
with 'go up, O bald head'
was that 'idle words'???

murjahel · Apr 20, 2007

I Timothy 6:20, and II Timothy 2:16
where we started,
speaking of rhema from God vs
'vain babblings'

the Greek word for 'vain babblings'
is 'Kenophonia'

it means
'empty and vain discussion'

keno means 'empty', worthless'
and the word
'phonia' is not even 'rhema',
but it means 'sounds'...

so Paul would not even call the
'vain babblings' to be
rhema of any sort...
but
used a word 'phonia'
to indicate that they, to him,
were just 'meaningless sounds'...

They bear no good fruit...
they indicate nothing that is
blessed of God...

lies, attacks on God's children,
gossip, mockery of the handicapped,
false doctrines that if believed would damn
souls,
heresy, dirty jokes, obscene language,
etc...
would be 'vain babblings'....

and many other kinds of words....

'set a watch, O Lord,
before my mouth...'
Ps 141:3

Some never pray,
or fully mean that prayer of the psalmist,
or we would have so many fewer
'vain babblings'...

murjahel · Apr 20, 2007

What I have found in Christian
circles,
that near the top, or perhaps at the top
of lists of what is your least favorite
subject for a sermon...

'sins of the tongue' are
at or near the top of that list...

why?

well, the tongue is the last member
of the body to come under control of the Lord...

if we are perfect in our words,
we are then perfect...
for every other facet of our lives
is easier to control than that 'tongue'...

Here on message boards,
on forums,
we translate our spoken words
into print, and the message is translated into
sounds on the phone line, or cable line,
or into sounds of the
web that are picked up by satellites
and beamed,
as signals of sound,
picked up by computers around the world,
in various ways,
translated into words that the reader
can read...
so, in that way, these are still 'sounds'
of the thoughts of our minds,
and we read them, instead of hearing them,
but they are extensions of our 'tongue'
so that all can hear them better...

just as a microphone takes the sounds
of our voice, makes them into electronic signals,
that are picked up by a speaker,
and made again into sounds...

some feel so much braver on the internet,
for it has a degree of anonymity,
and some speak things here that they
would never speak in person...

I would hate to think that some
here, would actually talk to or about
their pastor's sermon,
as they do someone's rhema word here...

but perhaps there are churches
with people like that......

habeas · Apr 20, 2007

I've been thinking about
the power of the tongue lately
about how may sins if not
most are committed therein

Also, I write legal briefs, and
I have to always check
my wording because sometimes
when I am writing one
I lash out at the opposing side
and it is not right to revile
when reviled

It seems like the spirit just jumps
off the page. I see material
omissions, ignoring law,
advocacy whose only
purpose it seems is to "win"
at any cost.

Gossip,murmuring, course jesting,
complaining, bearing false
witness, outbursts of wrath when
we should be slow to anger,
irritability when we should have patience
prideful talk when the fruit of the
spirit is meekness, and
self-glorification, reviling...idle talk
which is wasting time in the kingdom:
they start with a problem in the
heart, and then out of the
abundance of that heart
the mouth speaks

I mean, it seems like
so many of our sins are "spoken"
or written. Disclaimer: I am not a prophet
I am just making an observation
I have been meditating on this
and trying to improve...
but the heart must be fixed
and then the tongue will follow
IMHO

is it truly 'rhema' words? or 'vain babblings'?

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