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The logic that started this thread has not been defeated, in fact it hasn't been discussed. I think Dave settled it. Next issue please.
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The logic that started this thread has not been defeated, in fact it hasn't been discussed. I think Dave settled it. Next issue please.
It only implies we have power over God, if you assume that God has decreed our salvation. If the only thing that God has predestined, is "JESUS-ON-THE-CROSS", and that "whosoever believes is saved", then it simply is not "power over God"---it is merely operating within the parameters that God has established..."God will never take away our salvation. But we can walk away from it. "
Nope, that implies we have power over God and also denies the verse I quoted from romans
Now we mesh this by looking at other passages like in John where it clearly shows christians will NEVER reject christ, thus OSAS is the biblical conclusion.
Originally posted by LouisBooth
SNUP, that passage in romans is specifically talking about individual believers, not the church. We can see that in verse 30 where he refers to individual people, for the church was never 'disobdeient'.
Originally posted by LouisBooth
"That passage in John does not show that Christians will never reject Christ. "
What does they will never follow another mean to you MissS???
Originally posted by eldermike
Mis Shelby,
With all due respect, the verse begins with "My Sheep", He owns them, purchased with His blood. We are not ours, We are His. It's not an instruction to us, it's an ownership certificate of His.
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