Why can’t Jesus be a Jew?

Jesus is a Jew! He was just a very radical Jew.

The objection there is about Jesus being a descendant of Judah & Solomon, not whether or not He's Jewish.

The writer is either ignorant or lying. For one, it's possible Luke's genealogy is actually Mary's, giving Jesus direct blood relation. Even if it isn't, Jesus was an adopted son of Joseph. According to the Jews, that gives Jesus legal claim to the inheritance. Not being a direct blood relative didn't matter.

spartacus1984 said:

Why can’t Jesus be a Jew?

III. B. Satisfying the Criteria
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http://judaism.about.com/od/jewishviewofjesus/a/jesus_onegod.htm

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Hi. According to a Jewish scholar at the link below, it appears one is a Judean if they were born or live in the Land of Judea, which I assume also includes Jerusalem. I am now studying on the word "Judah", who was the 4th born of "Jacob/Israel".
I am also assuming this "Man" in Zech 8 is JESUS. Thougths?

Zechariah 8:23 Thus said YHWH of Hosts: In those days take hold do ten men of all languages of the nations, Yea, they have taken hold on the skirt/wing/kanaph of a MAN, a Y@huwdiy, saying: We go with you, for we heard 'Elohiym [is] with you

Reve 5:5 But one of the elders said to me, "Do not weep. Behold, the Lion of the tribe of Y@huwdah, the Root of David, has prevailed to open the scroll and to loose its seven seals."

http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/jew.htm

The Etymology of the Word "Jew"

In his classic Facts are Facts, Jewish historian, researcher and scholar Benjamin Freedom writes:

Jesus is referred as a so-called "Jew" for the first time in the New Testament in the 18th century. Jesus is first referred to as a so-called "Jew" in the revised 18th century editions in the English language of the 14th century first translations of the New Testament into English.

Jesus is beyond race or culture. He is God. Jesus lives, but not in "Jewishness". That is far, far too limiting for the Almighty powerful God.

Funny, in Revelation 12:4 Jesus is scolding a church for eating food sacrificed to idols. Sounds pretty Jewish to me, even in his exalted state.

I am also assuming this "Man" in Zech 8 is JESUS. Thougths?

Zechariah 8:23 Thus said YHWH of Hosts: In those days take hold do ten men of all languages of the nations, Yea, they have taken hold on the skirt/wing/kanaph of a MAN, a Y@huwdiy, saying: We go with you, for we heard 'Elohiym [is] with you

Reve 5:5 But one of the elders said to me, "Do not weep. Behold, the Lion of the tribe of Y@huwdah, the Root of David, has prevailed to open the scroll and to loose its seven seals."

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Steve Petersen said:

Funny, in Revelation 12:4 Jesus is scolding a church for eating food sacrificed to idols. Sounds pretty Jewish to me, even in his exalted state.

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Hi. I view the whole book of Revelation as "Jewish/Hebrew".
Afterall, wasn't JESUS "slaughtered" as was symbolically the Passover Lamb in Exodus?

(Young) Revelation 5:9 and they sing a new song, saying, `Worthy art thou to take the scroll, and to open the seals of it, because Thou wast Slaughtered, and didst redeem Us to God/qew in Thy blood, out of every tribe, and tongue, and people, and nation,

http://www.christianforums.com/t4559...emic-book.html
-revelation-a-jewish-polemic-book

Steve Petersen said:

Funny, in Revelation 12:4 Jesus is scolding a church for eating food sacrificed to idols.

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It's 2:14, and read it again carefully, that's not what it says. I agree Jesus was Jewish*, but that's not a good example.

*Jewish, or Judean, or Hebrew, or whatever, I don't think we have to quibble over that. He is the fulfillment of the OT, regardless of what technical name you want to give His heritage.

XianJedi said:

It's 2:14, and read it again carefully, that's not what it says. I agree Jesus was Jewish*, but that's not a good example.

*Jewish, or Judean, or Hebrew, or whatever, I don't think we have to quibble over that. He is the fulfillment of the OT, regardless of what technical name you want to give His heritage.

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Jesus is God. Why are you folks trying to pin earthly things to God?

XianJedi said:

The objection there is about Jesus being a descendant of Judah & Solomon, not whether or not He's Jewish.

The writer is either ignorant or lying. For one, it's possible Luke's genealogy is actually Mary's, giving Jesus direct blood relation. Even if it isn't, Jesus was an adopted son of Joseph. According to the Jews, that gives Jesus legal claim to the inheritance. Not being a direct blood relative didn't matter.

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Of course it would have to be by "adoption" if Jesus was born of a "Virgin", as even the Muslims believe that.
But those calling themselves Jews today believe he will be born naturally through "union" between the man and wife. The atheists also use the same arguement the "Jews" use about the "virgin birth". Thoughts?

http://www.aish.com/spirituality/philosophy/Why_Dont_Jews_Believe_In_Jesus$.asp

B. DESCENDENT OF DAVID
The Messiah must be descended on his father's side from King David (see Genesis 49:10 and Isaiah 11:1). According to the Christian claim that Jesus was the product of a virgin birth, he had no father -- and thus could not have possibly fulfilled the messianic requirement of being descended on his father's side from King David!

Zechariah 8:23 Thus said YHWH of Hosts: In those days take hold do ten men of all languages of the nations, Yea, they have taken hold on the skirt/wing/kanaph of a MAN, a Y@huwdiy, saying: We go with you, for we heard 'Elohiym [is] with you

Myriah said:

Jesus is God. Why are you folks trying to pin earthly things to God?

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Jesus was a physical son of Mary, Jesus is true man just as He is true God. There's nothing wrong with discussing His humanity.

LittleLambofJesus said:

Of course it would have to be by "adoption" if Jesus was born of a "Virgin", as even the Muslims believe that.
But those calling themselves Jews today believe he will be born naturally through "union" between the man and wife. The atheists also use the same arguement the "Jews" use about the "virgin birth". Thoughts? ...

The Messiah must be descended on his father's side from King David (see Genesis 49:10 and Isaiah 11:1). According to the Christian claim that Jesus was the product of a virgin birth, he had no father -- and thus could not have possibly fulfilled the messianic requirement of being descended on his father's side from King David!

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I thought I already addressed this - it is just not correct. Even if one denies Mary's lineage to David, the adoption gives Jesus full legal claim to being David's heir on Joseph's side. That's Jewish law. There is no necessity to having a traditionally-produced child to fulfill the OT.

XianJedi said:

I thought I already addressed this. Even if one denies Mary's lineage to David, the adoption gives Jesus full legal claim to being David's heir on Joseph's side. That's Jewish law. There is no necessity to having a traditionally-produced child to fulfill the OT.

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Hey, I agree with you!!!!! But as I said, the "Jews" of today do not, big difference bro.
And according to the "Jews", one cannot believe in JESUS and be a JEW at the same time and I also do not consider myself a "gentile" and never have.


http://www.aish.com/spirituality/phi..._In_Jesus$.asp

B. DESCENDENT OF DAVID
The Messiah must be descended on his father's side from King David (see Genesis 49:10 and Isaiah 11:1). According to the Christian claim that Jesus was the product of a virgin birth, he had no father -- and thus could not have possibly fulfilled the messianic requirement of being descended on his father's side from King David!

Jews have never actively sought converts to Judaism because the Torah prescribes a righteous path for gentiles to follow, known as the "Seven Laws of Noah." Maimonides explains that any human being who faithfully observes these basic moral laws earns a proper place in heaven.

LittleLambofJesus said:

Hey, I agree with you!!!!!

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Well, ok, but you're confusing the heck out of me.

You post it once, I refute it. You post it again, and ask me to comment. I repeated my first refutation. You say you agree, yet you then post it again!

Why are you posting it over and over, when it's been refuted, and you agree with the refutation??

I can't, for the life of me, figure out what you're doing.

XianJedi said:

Well, ok, but you're confusing the heck out of me.

You post it once, I refute it. You post it again, and ask me to comment. I repeated my first refutation. You say you agree, yet you then post it again!

Why are you posting it over and over, when it's been refuted, and you agree with the refutation??

I can't, for the life of me, figure out what you're doing.

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Umm I agreed with you, but those calling themselves Orthodox "Jews" today do not and why I posted this from a Judaism site.

http://www.aish.com/spirituality/phi..._In_Jesus$.asp


B. DESCENDENT OF DAVID
The Messiah must be descended on his father's side from King David (see Genesis 49:10 and Isaiah 11:1). According to the Christian claim that Jesus was the product of a virgin birth, he had no father -- and thus could not have possibly fulfilled the messianic requirement of being descended on his father's side from King David!

XianJedi said:

I thought I already addressed this - it is just not correct. Even if one denies Mary's lineage to David, the adoption gives Jesus full legal claim to being David's heir on Joseph's side. That's Jewish law. There is no necessity to having a traditionally-produced child to fulfill the OT.

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I have heard this before but have not found anything in Jewish sources that would make this true for inheritance of the throne of David.

LittleLambofJesus said:

Umm I agreed with you, but those calling themselves Orthodox "Jews" today do not and why I posted this from a Judaism site.

http://www.aish.com/spirituality/phi..._In_Jesus$.asp


B. DESCENDENT OF DAVID
The Messiah must be descended on his father's side from King David (see Genesis 49:10 and Isaiah 11:1). According to the Christian claim that Jesus was the product of a virgin birth, he had no father -- and thus could not have possibly fulfilled the messianic requirement of being descended on his father's side from King David!

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If that is true, then that leaves them with a bit of a pardox now doesn't it?

Isa 7:14 Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.

If "Immanuel" has to be able to trace His paternal lineage all the way back to David and He is ALSO supposed to be concieved BY A VIRGIN.... Then NO ONE can fulfill the prophesy.

So then how do they expect the prophesy to be fulfilled?

Myriah said:

Jesus is beyond race or culture. He is God. Jesus lives, but not in "Jewishness". That is far, far too limiting for the Almighty powerful God.

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So, So, True!!

Jesus WAS a Jew, but He was and is the Firstfruit of a NEW CREATION, and now in Him, we are a new creation. That's why in Him there is no longer Jew, Gentile, freeman or slave, etc.

Steve Petersen said:

Funny, in Revelation 12:4 Jesus is scolding a church for eating food sacrificed to idols. Sounds pretty Jewish to me, even in his exalted state.

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This is for Gentile believers....

(Act 15:28 NASB) "For it seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us to lay upon you no greater burden than these essentials:

(Act 15:29 NASB) that you abstain from things sacrificed to idols and from blood and from things strangled and from fornication; if you keep yourselves free from such things, you will do well. Farewell."

Steve Petersen said:

I have heard this before but have not found anything in Jewish sources that would make this true for inheritance of the throne of David.

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Have you found anything that makes it false?