Let's say all gays and lesbians became straight overnight, tonight.

Which group would become the "designated sinner" if all gays became straight tonight?

  • Women in any position of authority (political, economic, religious)

  • Companies which make contraceptives

  • People who use contraceptives of any kind

  • Liberals (liberal Christians, liberals, Democrats)

  • Non-Christians (Jews, Muslims, Hindus, Sikhs, etc.)

  • Atheists

  • So many people, so little time!

  • Other -- please post.


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1/16 cherokee, or less can't remember. Part jewish, mostly, english, and dutch. (and amish of cource) :) :) :) :)

Completely and utterly off-topic:

Are you familiar with Marcia Adam's Amish and Mennonite cookbooks (Cooking from Quilt Country, etc.).

The recipes are just about as authentically Amish as it gets. The stories are also wonderful reading.
 
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Are you familiar with Marcia Adam's Amish and Mennonite cookbooks (Cooking from Quilt Country, etc.).

The recipes are just about as authentically Amish as it gets. The stories are also wonderful reading.

No need, I can just go to an amish wedding or over to their house for real amish cooking. :) (you are right it is off topic, stopping now)
 
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Actually no there is not "quite a bit of historic and linguistic support for that interpretation" AFAIK there is zero historic and linguistic support. But there is irrefutable historical evidence that 1 Cor 6:9 is a condemnation of homosexual activity.

The early church interpreted [size=+1]αρσενοκοιτης[/size] as “ ”SODOMY,” “FILTH OF SODOMY,” lawless lust, “lust,” “impurity,” “works of the flesh,” “carnal,” “lawless intercourse,” “shameless,” “burning with insane love for boys,” “licentiousness,” “co-habitors with males,” “lusters after mankind”, etc. The above quoted from; Polycarp, 65 - 155 AD; Irenaeus, 120-202 AD; Theophilus, 115 - 181 AD; Clement of Alexandria, 153 - 217 AD; Tertullian, 145-220 AD; Cyprian, 200-258 AD; and Origen, 185-254 AD. Note the dates of these writings extend from ca. 85 AD through 258 AD.

Epistle of Polycarp [Disciple of John] to the Philippians Chapter V.-The Duties of Deacons, Youths, and Virgins. [65 - 155 AD]

Knowing, then, that "God is not mocked," we ought to walk worthy of His commandment and glory. In like manner should the deacons be blameless before the face of His righteousness, as being the servants of God and Christ, and not of men. They must not be slanderers, double-tongued, or lovers of money, but temperate in all things, compassionate, industrious, walking according to the truth of the Lord, who was the servant of all. If we please Him in this present world, we shall receive also the future world, according as He has promised to us that He will raise us again from the dead, and that if we live worthily of Him, "we shall also reign together with Him," provided only we believe. In like manner, let the young men also be blameless in all things, being especially careful to preserve purity, and keeping themselves in, as with a bridle, from every kind of evil. For it is well that they should be cut off from the lusts that are in the world, since "every lust warreth against the spirit; " and "neither fornicators, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, shall inherit the kingdom of God," nor those who do things inconsistent and unbecoming. Wherefore, it is needful to abstain from all these things, being subject to the presbyters and deacons, as unto God and Christ. The virgins also must walk in a blameless and pure conscience.

Irenaeus [Disciple of Polycarp]Against Heresies Book V [120-202 AD]

As, therefore, he who has gone forward to the better things, and has brought forth the fruit of the Spirit, is saved altogether because of the communion of the Spirit; so also he who has continued in the aforesaid works of the flesh, being truly reckoned as carnal, because he did not receive the Spirit of God, shall not have power to inherit the kingdom of heaven. As, again, the same apostle testifies, saying to the Corinthians, "Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not err," he says: "neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor revilers, nor rapacious persons, shall inherit the kingdom of God. And these ye indeed have been; but ye have been washed, but ye have been sanctified, but ye have been justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, and in the Spirit of our God." He shows in the clearest manner through what things it is that man goes to destruction, if he has continued to live after the flesh; and then, on the other hand, [he points out] through what things he is saved. Now he says that the things which save are the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, and the Spirit of our God.

Since, therefore, in that passage he recounts those works of the flesh which are without the Spirit, which bring death [upon their doers], he exclaimed at the end of his Epistle, in accordance with what he had already declared, "And as we have borne the image of him who is of the earth, we shall also bear the image of Him who is from heaven. For this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God."

Theophilus to Autolycus Book III [115 - 181 AD]
Chapter VI.-Other Opinions of the Philosophers.


And regarding lawless conduct, those who have blindly wandered into the choir of philosophy have, almost to a man, spoken with one voice. Certainly Plato, to mention him first who seems to have been the most respectable philosopher among them, expressly, as it were, legislates in his first book,5 entitled The Republic, that the wives of all be common, using the precedent of the son6 of Jupiter and the lawgiver of the Cretans, in order that under this pretext there might be an abundant offspring from the best persons, and that those who were worn with toil might be comforted by such intercourse.7 And Epicurus himself, too, as well as teaching atheism, teaches along with it incest with mothers and sisters, and this in transgression of the laws which forbid it; for Solon distinctly legislated regarding this, in order that from a married parent children might lawfully spring, that they might not be born of adultery, so that no one should honour as his father him who was not his father, or dishonour him who was really his father, through ignorance that he was so. And these things the other laws of the Romans and Greeks also prohibit. Why, then, do Epicurus and the Stoics teach incest and sodomy, with which doctrines they have filled libraries, so that from boyhood this lawless intercourse is learned? And why should I further spend time on them, since even of those they call gods they relate similar things?

Clement of Alexandria The Instructor. [Paedagogus.] Book III [153 - 217 AD]

Such images of divine wisdom are many; but I shall mention one instance, and expound it in a few words. The fate of the Sodomites was judgment to those who had done wrong, instruction to those who hear. The Sodomites having, through much luxury, fallen into uncleanness, practising adultery shamelessly, and burning with insane love for boys; the All-seeing Word, whose notice those who commit impieties cannot escape, cast His eye on them. Nor did the sleepless guard of humanity observe their licentiousness in silence; but dissuading us from the imitation of them, and training us up to His own temperance, and falling on some sinners, lest lust being unavenged, should break loose from all the restraints of fear, ordered Sodom to be burned, pouring forth a little of the sagacious fire on licentiousness; lest lust, through want of punishment, should throw wide the gates to those that were rushing into voluptuousness. Accordingly, the just punishment of the Sodomites became to men an image of the salvation which is well calculated for men. For those who have not committed like sins with those who are punished, will never receive a like punishment. By guarding against sinning, we guard against suffering.

Tertullian On Modesty [145-220 AD]
Chapter XVI.-General Consistency of the Apostle.


Come, now; who in the world has (ever) redintegrated one who has been "marred" by God (that is, delivered to Satan with a view to destruction of the flesh), after subjoining for that reason, "Let none seduce himself; " that is, let none presume that one "marred" by God can possibly be redintegrated anew? Just as, again, among all other crimes-nay, even before all others-when affirming that "adulterers, and fornicators, and effeminates, and co-habitors with males, will not attain the kingdom of God," he premised, "Do not err" -to wit, if you think they will attain it. But to them from whom "the kingdom" is taken away, of course the life which exists in the kingdom is not permitted either. Moreover, by superadding, "But such indeed ye have been; but ye have received ablution, but ye have been sanctified, in the Name of the Lord Jesus Christ, and in the Spirit of our God; " in as far as he puts on the paid side of the account such sins before baptism, in so far after baptism he determines them irremissible, if it is true, (as it is), that they are not allowed to "receive ablution" anew.

Cyprian Treatise XII Three Books of Testimonies Against the Jews [200-258 AD]

65.
That all sins are put away in baptism.
In the first Epistle of Paul to the Corinthians: "Neither fornicators, nor those who serve idols, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor the lusters after mankind, nor thieves, nor cheaters, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor robbers, shall obtain the kingdom of God. And these things indeed ye were: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, and in the Spirit of our God."

Origen Against Celsus Book 8 [185-254 AD]

and that they often exhibit in their character a high degree of gravity, of purity, and
integrity; while those who call themselves wise have despised these virtues, and have wallowed in the filth of sodomy, in lawless lust, “men with men working that which is unseemly.”
Nice work Der Alter, get ready to duck!

God bless and thanks for standing for truth!
 
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Nice work Der Alter, get ready to duck!

God bless and thanks for standing for truth!
~*~That information comes from the same people that say it is ok to mistreat us women and to worship the Pope ~*~
 
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The designated sinner would become the person who comes out and states their sin isn't really a sin.

Like the people who say that keeping the sick from getting health care and the poor from acquiring any economic or political power is a good thing, because God ordained that the sick should be sick and the poor should be poor?

(When my blood pressure gets too low, I listen to AM religious radio here in Texas: I know I'm going to hear something like what I just posted which will get my blood pressure back up into the normal range!)
 
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Like the people who say that keeping the sick from getting health care and the poor from acquiring any economic or political power is a good thing, because God ordained that the sick should be sick and the poor should be poor?

(When my blood pressure gets too low, I listen to AM religious radio here in Texas: I know I'm going to hear something like what I just posted which will get my blood pressure back up into the normal range!)
As a fellow Texan I'm not aware of who these people are, that's probably because I stay away or tune out partisan politics. ;)

So who might these people be?
 
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As a fellow Texan I'm not aware of who these people are, that's probably because I stay away or tune out partisan politics. ;)

So who might these people be?

Not to name names, but a WHOLE BUNCH of them are in the Lege, even right as we speak!

One of them even cut funding for the CHIP (Children's Health Insurance Program), saying his family didn't have health insurance when he was a kid, and he was perfectly healthy.

How nice for him. I'll bet he didn't grow up in a colonia, either.
 
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How can you have such a poll and consider yourself Christian? We are to love people and hate sin. All sin is the same regardless of the sin! God is Love-there is no such thing as a designated sinner. We are all sinners!

C'mon down to Texas and we'll take a LONG drive -- especially out into the east and northeast parts of the state.

You'll find out that in rural Texas, all sinners are created equal -- but some sinners are more equal than others.
 
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~*~That information comes from the same people that say it is ok to mistreat us women and to worship the Pope ~*~

This is from the "Neener, neener, neener you are one too-oo," school of apologetics. I'm not a Catholic, neither were the ECF I quoted there was no RCC at that time. I support women in ministry altho my denomination is largely against it.
 
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Who would be the next recipients of conservatives' "love the sinner, HATE the sin" dogma?

In other words, which group of "designated sinners" would conservatives go after, next?

Wow, no more fabulous hairdressers or female truck drivers. Yes, the world would sink into utter chaos, Nazis would ride around on dinosaurs and devour kittens and puppies. The polar ice caps would melt and we would all devolve back into fish. Satan would say that he was wrong about that whole taking over heaven thing and God would go golfing. And finally the Pope would admit that the only reason he wears that big hat is because it's a wonderful place to put his lunch.
 
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Coming from my experience, the conservative Christians who not only believe homosexuality is a sin (as I do) but also like to target it and preach all manner of fire and brimstone about it simply love to hate,

Though I voted "too many to name" simply because I don't know what they would target next, unmarried sex might be a good one, but then that would target some of their sins! The horror!

So honestly, I don't know what would be the next target.
 
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CHRISTIAN males? I think you can generalize a little more, men are obsessed with sex.

Yes, but Christians seem more so. Or maybe it just bothers me more. All I know is that it annoys me that when you ask a Christian male to give some examples of sin, the first few examples will almost always be masturbation, inappropriate contentography, or being gay. Seriously, sometimes I think that as long as I don't be touch myself or any other dude, I could do whatever I want and be considered immaculate!
 
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