"Good Friday" - who/what died?

Christ died.
Jesus died.
His soul died.
"I" was dead, said Jesus Christ.
How could this be so if only flesh died?

Romans 5:8
... while we were still sinners, Christ died for us.

1 Thessalonians 4:14
...we believe that Jesus died and rose again...

Isaiah 53:12, NKJV
Therefore I will divide Him a portion with the great,
And He shall divide the spoil with the strong,
Because He poured out His soul unto death,
And He was numbered with the transgressors,
And He bore the sin of many,
And made intercession for the transgressors.

Revelation 1:18
I am He who lives, and was dead, and behold, I am alive forevermore...

Was "Jesus" and "Christ" and "His soul" and "I" only referring to a fleshly creation?

bstow said:

... Man is a spirit.
Man has a soul(emotion, mind will)
Man lives in a physical body

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How do you harmonize that with Genesis 2:7?
And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

bstow said:

...His spirit and soul continued the suffering required for our redemption

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So how can Jesus say that "I was dead" when, according to you, He wasn't dead but still alive?


Revelation 1:18
I am He who lives, and was dead, and behold, I am alive forevermore...

bstow said:

...and inserted in him a spirit and a soul.
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According to the Bible, a soul was not inserted. The breath (spirit) was inserted into a lifeless body and the result of the combination of body and spirit was a "soul."

Definitions are important. Misundertsandings of "soul" and "hell" have caused much confusion.

The word for "soul" in the Old Testament is nephesh. Nephesh is translated in following ways (the numbers being the number of occurrences of each way):
The word for "spirit" in the Old Testament is either ruach or neshamah. Ruach is translated in the following ways:

The Spirit - Old Testament (27 Verses)

After each passage is a sentence or so in brackets which emphasizes the inconsistency between that verse and the popular concept of spirit. Sometimes the sentence may appear a bit humorous.


"And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath (neshamah, pnoe) of life; and man became a living soul" (Gen. 2:7). [God put the "spirit" into Adam's nose.]


"And, behold, I, even I, do bring a flood of waters upon the earth, to destroy all flesh, wherein is the breath (ruach, pneuma) of life, from under heaven; and every thing that is in the earth shall die" (Gen. 6:17). [Animals have the "spirit" in them too.]


"And they went in unto Noah into the ark, two and two of all flesh, wherein is the breath (ruach, pneuma) of life" (Gen. 7:15). [Animals have the "spirit" in them too.]


"All in whose nostrils was the breath (neshamah, pnoe) of life, of all that was in the dry land, died" (Gen. 7:22). [The "spirit" lives in the nose.]


"And as soon as we had heard these things, our hearts did melt, neither did there remain any more courage (ruach, pneuma) in any man, because of you: for the LORD your God, he is God in heaven above, and in earth beneath" (Josh. 2:11). [Their "spirits" were all gone, but they were still alive.]


"And it came to pass, when all the kings of the Amorites, which were on the side of Jordan westward, and all the kings of the Canaanites, which were by the sea, heard that the LORD had dried up the waters of Jordan from before the children of Israel, until we were passed over, that their heart melted, neither was there spirit (ruach) in them any more, because of the children of Israel" (Josh. 5:1). [Their "spirits" were all gone, but they were still alive.]


"God hath delivered into your hands the princes of Midian, Oreb and Zeeb: and what was I able to do in comparison of you? Then their anger (ruach, pneuma) was abated toward him, when he had said that" (Judg. 8:3). [Their "spirit" weakened or relaxed towards him.]


"And when the queen of Sheba had seen all Solomon’s wisdom, and the house that he had built, and the meat of his table, and the sitting of his servants, and the attendance of his ministers, and their apparel, and his cupbearers, and his ascent by which he went up unto the house of the LORD; there was no more spirit (ruach) in her" (1 Kings 10:4, 5). [Her "spirit" totally left, yet she was still alive.]


"There was no more spirit (ruach) in her" (2 Chr. 9:4). [Her "spirit" totally left, yet she was still alive.]


"All the while my breath (neshamah, pnoe) is in me, and the spirit (ruach, pneuma) of God is in my nostrils" (Job 27:3). [The "spirit" lives in the nose.]


"The Spirit (neshamah, pnoe) of God hath made me, and the breath (ruach, pneuma) of the Almighty hath given me life" (Job 33:4). [God's "spirit" gives us life.]


"If he set his heart upon man, if he gather unto himself his spirit (ruach, pneuma) and his breath (neshamah); all flesh shall perish together, and man shall turn again unto dust" (Job 34:14, 15). [Man cannot live without his "spirit."]


"Into thine hand I commit my spirit (ruach, pneuma): thou hast redeemed me, O LORD God of truth" (Ps. 31:5). [After being redeemed, the psalmist asks God to take care of his spirit for him.]


"So is this great and wide sea, wherein are things creeping innumerable, both small and great beasts. . . . Thou hidest thy face, they are troubled: thou takest away their breath (ruach, pneuma), they die, and return to their dust. Thou sendest forth thy spirit (ruach, pneuma), they are created: and thou renewest the face of the earth" (Ps. 104:25, 29, 30). [They don't get their own "spirit" back again when they are recreated. Instead, it's God's spirit that enters into them.]


"Put not your trust in princes, nor in the son of man, in whom there is no help. His breath (ruach, pneuma) goeth forth, he returneth to his earth; in that very day his thoughts perish" (Ps. 146:3, 4). [When the "spirit" leaves, the person can no longer think.]


"For that which befalleth the sons of men befalleth beasts; even one thing befalleth them: as the one dieth, so dieth the other; yea, they have all one breath (ruach, pneuma); so that a man hath no preeminence above a beast: for all is vanity. All go unto one place; all are of the dust, and all turn to dust again. Who knoweth the spirit (ruach, pneuma) of man that goeth upward, and the spirit (ruach, pneuma) of the beast that goeth downward to the earth" (Eccl. 3:19-21). [There is no difference between the "spirit" of animals and the "spirit" of people.]


"Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit (ruach, pneuma) shall return unto God who gave it" (Eccl. 12:7). [The "spirits" of all, both good and bad, go back to God.]


"Cease ye from man, whose breath (neshamah) is in his nostrils: for wherein is he to be accounted of" (Isa. 2:22). [The "spirit" lives in the nose.]


"The breath (ruach, pneuma) of our nostrils, the anointed of the LORD, was taken in their pits, of whom we said, Under his shadow we shall live among the heathen" (Lam. 4:20). [The "spirit" belongs to our nose.]


"Thus saith the Lord GOD unto these bones; Behold, I will cause breath (ruach, pneuma) to enter into you, and ye shall live: and I will lay sinews upon you, and will bring up flesh upon you, and cover you with skin, and put breath (ruach, pneuma) in you, and ye shall live; and ye shall know that I am the LORD" (Ezek. 37:5, 6). [One thing these bones absolutely had to have before they could live again was a "spirit."]


"And when I beheld, lo, the sinews and the flesh came up upon them, and the skin covered them above: but there was no breath (ruach, pneuma) in them. Then said he unto me, Prophesy unto the wind (ruach, pneuma), prophesy, son of man, and say to the wind (ruach, pneuma), Thus saith the Lord GOD; Come from the four winds (ruach, pneuma), O breath (ruach), and breathe upon these slain, that they may live. So I prophesied as he commanded me, and the breath (ruach, pneuma) came into them, and they lived, and stood up upon their feet, an exceeding great army" (Ezek. 37:8-10.

[You can have a perfect human body, but if it doesn't have a "spirit," it won't be alive. This "spirit" that gives life to the body is the same thing as the wind.]


"And shall put my spirit (ruach, pneuma) in you, and ye shall live, and I shall place you in your own land" (Ezek. 37:14). [If God puts His "spirit" in us, we will live.]

The Soul - New Testament (33 Verses)

After each passage is a sentence or so in brackets which emphasizes the inconsistency between that verse and the popular concept of soul. Sometimes the sentence may appear a bit humorous.


"Saying, Arise, and take the young child and his mother, and go into the land of Israel: for they are dead which sought the young child’s life (psuche)" (Mat. 2:20). [People can look for "souls" in order to take them somewhere.]

"Therefore I say unto you, Take no thought for your life (psuche), what ye shall eat, or what ye shall drink; nor yet for your body, what ye shall put on. Is not the life (psuche) more than meat, and the body than raiment" (Mat. 6:25). ["Souls" can eat.]

"And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul (psuche): but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul (psuche) and body in hell" (Mat. 10:28). [God won't just destroy the body in hellfire. He'll destroy the "soul" too.]

"He that findeth his life (psuche) shall lose it: and he that loseth his life (psuche) for my sake shall find it" (Mat. 10:39). [People can both find and lose their "soul." If they find their "soul," they'll lose it, but if they lose their "soul" for Jesus's sake, they'll find it.]

"For whosoever will save his life (psuche) shall lose it: and whosoever will lose his life (psuche) for my sake shall find it" (Mat. 16:25). [People can both save and lose their "soul." Those who do save their "soul" will lose it, and those who lose their "soul" will find it.]

"Even as the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life (psuche) a ransom for many" (Mat. 20:28). [Jesus paid someone His "soul" as a ransom for us.]

"And he saith unto them, Is it lawful to do good on the sabbath days, or to do evil? to save life (psuche), or to kill? But they held their peace" (Mark 3:4). [Physically saving a "soul" is the opposite of killing it.]

"For whosoever will save his life (psuche) shall lose it; but whosoever shall lose his life (psuche) for my sake and the gospel’s, the same shall save it" (Mark 8:35). [People can both save and lose their "soul." Those who do save their "soul" will lose it, but those who lose their "soul" for the sake of the gospel will save it.]

"For even the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life (psuche) a ransom for many" (Mark 10:45). [Jesus paid someone His "soul" as a ransom for us.]

"Then said Jesus unto them, I will ask you one thing; Is it lawful on the sabbath days to do good, or to do evil? to save life (psuche), or to destroy it?" (Luke 6:9). [Physically saving a "soul" is the opposite of destroying it.]

"For whosoever will save his life (psuche) shall lose it: but whosoever will lose his life (psuche) for my sake, the same shall save it" (Luke 9:24). [People can both save and lose their "soul." Those who do save their "soul" will lose it, and those who lose their "soul" for Jesus's sake will save it.]

"And he said unto his disciples, Therefore I say unto you, Take no thought for your life (psuche), what ye shall eat; neither for the body, what ye shall put on. The life (psuche) is more than meat, and the body is more than raiment" (Luke 12:22, 23). ["Souls" can eat.]

"Whosoever shall seek to save his life (psuche) shall lose it; and whosoever shall lose his life (psuche) shall preserve it" (Luke 17:33). [People can both save and lose their "soul." Those who try to save their "soul" will lose it, and those who lose their "soul" will preserve it.]

"I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his life (psuche) for the sheep" (John 10:11). [Shepherds that lose their lives while protecting their sheep from wolves, robbers, bears, and lions have just given their "souls" for their sheep.]

"As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life (psuche) for the sheep" (John 10:15). [Jesus laid His "soul" down somewhere for His sheep.]

"Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life (psuche), that I might take it again" (John 10:17). [Jesus laid His "soul" down somewhere, and then picked it up again.]

"Then came the Jews round about him, and said unto him, How long dost thou make us to doubt (psuche)? If thou be the Christ, tell us plainly" (John 10:24). [To "lift up" (the meaning of the Greek word for "make") another's "soul" is to make them doubt.]

"He that loveth his life (psuche) shall lose it; and he that hateth his life (psuche) in this world shall keep it unto life eternal" (John 12:25). [Jesus wants us to hate our own "soul."]

"Peter said unto him, Lord, why cannot I follow thee now? I will lay down my life (psuche) for thy sake. Jesus answered him, Wilt thou lay down thy life (psuche) for my sake?" (John 13:37, 38). [Peter wanted to lay his "soul" down somewhere too.]

"Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life (psuche) for his friends" (John 15:13). [If you are a really special friend, given the right circumstances, you will lay your "soul" down somewhere too.]

"Men that have hazarded their lives (psuche) for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ" (Acts 15:26). [Some have risked losing their "souls" for Jesus.]

"But none of these things move me, neither count I my life (psuche) dear unto myself" (Acts 20:24). [Paul didn't like his "soul."]

"And said unto them, Sirs, I perceive that this voyage will be with hurt and much damage, not only of the lading and ship, but also of our lives (psuche)" (Acts 27:10). [Their "souls" were going to get hurt or damaged.]

"And now I exhort you to be of good cheer: for there shall be no loss of any man’s life (psuche) among you, but of the ship" (Acts 27:22). [No one on board was going to lose their "soul."]

"Lord, they have killed thy prophets, and digged down thine altars; and I am left alone, and they seek my life (psuche)" (Rom. 11:3). [Jezebel wanted to obtain Elijah's "soul."]

"Who have for my life (psuche) laid down their own necks: unto whom not only I give thanks, but also all the churches of the Gentiles" (Rom. 16:4). [It was as if Priscilla and Aquila had given their physical life in order to save Paul's "soul."]

"Because for the work of Christ he was nigh unto death, not regarding his life (psuche), to supply your lack of service toward me" (Php. 2:30). [Epaphroditus didn't care about his "soul."]

"Hereby perceive we the love of God, because he laid down his life (psuche) for us: and we ought to lay down our lives (psuche) for the brethren"
(1 Jn. 3:16). [As Jesus laid His "soul" down somewhere, so should we.]

"And the third part of the creatures which were in the sea, and had life (psuche), died" (Rev. 8:9). [Fish have "souls."]

"And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives (psuche) unto the death" (Rev. 12:11). [Christians will not love their "souls," even if threatened with death.]

"And the second angel poured out his vial upon the sea; and it became as the blood of a dead man: and every living soul (psuche) died in the sea" (Rev. 16:3). [Fish are "souls."]

bstow said:

He died physically on the cross.

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A human offering, and nothing more? Is that what happened on the cross? No matter how exalted the preexistent Son was; no matter how glorious, how powerful, or even eternal; if the manhood only died, the sacrifice was only human. And so far as the vicarious death of Christ is concerned, is this Socinianism?