Sunday Worship Is The Mark Of The Beast

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P-L-E-A-S-E understand 'me', at least? that, that is the furtherest thing from my 'soul'!!
My Master tells me that if 'i' (ME!) LOVE HIM, 'to keep His commandments'!
He tells me that I can 'do ALL THINGS THROUGH JESUS CHRIST WHO STRENGTHENETH ME! And THAT HIS GRACE IS MADE {{{PERFECT}}} in [my weakness]. YET, NEVER DO i SERVE (OBEY-WORK) HIM TO BE SAVED, BUT BECAUSE I [WANT TOOOO!] OK? AND THAT INCLUDES ALL OF [HIS ROYAL COMMANDMENTS]. (this change came when i surendered my 'will to Him')

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Originally posted by Brian45
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Hi Camaro, sorry for the misunderstanding , I didn't explain myself well enough .

I agree with you on why we worship on sunday instead of saturday ,&nbsp; however , I don't think it matters , as we are Gentiles not jews .

There are some denominations that believe going to church on sunday is the mark of the beast ,&nbsp; I find this idea completly stupid , as the beast in the book of revelation exists for&nbsp; 42 months ,&nbsp; therefor the mark must also exist&nbsp;for at least 42 months ,&nbsp; well , people have been going to church on sundays for a lot longer than that .&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;

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Originally posted by camaro540
Hi Brian

I just re-read my post, and I sure came off like a jerk. Sorry, I don't know way I replyed to your post in that manner, but I say sorry.

Yes, I agree with you, I do not believe that going to church on sunday is the mark of the beast either. I think it goes much deeper then that...

Patrick

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Originally posted by kiwimac
This is, IMO, just another attempt to ensure that Christian is defined as " people who agree with me, are Like me and with whom I do not feel challenged or uncomfortable."

The SADDEST thing is that so much of the Christian church plays THIS game!

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Kiwimac&nbsp;

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Originally posted by Brian45
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Hi camaro , no your not a jerk ,&nbsp; and your post didn't bother me at all .

You said you don't go to church because of the reason you stated , I agree with you on that ,&nbsp; but I go to any denomination I choose , and if they try to shove their strange beliefs down my throught I turn it around and shove mine down theirs , and believe me , they soon leave you alone .&nbsp;

I have been to and still go to :

Catholic churches

seventh day adventists&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; (&nbsp; If i'm playing golf on sunday morning )

Jehovas wittnesses

Christadelphians

Baptist

Methodist&nbsp; and so on&nbsp; ,&nbsp; man I don't give a hoot what people think , I only have one master , and all the rest can go jump&nbsp;

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Interesting. Do you have membership in any denomination? Just wondering what you do with Rev. 18:4? That of being a [partaker] of her sins? And [loseing ones soul] by remaining yoked to any of these?

One more question. Is it possible to have NO denomination?? Hardly!
Even the so called undenominational ones have a 'belief' (faith-fold) & you may not know it, but there are many folk who have the [FAITH or BELIEF] that [your] paragraph describes. NONE ARE JUST DOING their [OWN] thing? Eph. 6:12. We just feel PROUD that [WE] are, perhaps? Even NO FOLD is not Scripturally true! Look at whose 'DESIRE' Cain intertained with his 'new' decision to Apostatize in Gen. 4:6-7 or Isa. 14:12-14 with his 'new' leaders problem!. (you know, nobody tells me what to do, I,I,I,I,I, will do MY OWN THING!-sounds like 'me' 35+ yrs. ago!)

Personally for me today, I believe that all disunity is from the 'd'evil! he wants ALL to have Babylonian CONFUSSION, as you seem to admit from your quoted above missive?
Yet, you to me, seem some what proud to be going there to WORSHIP. (?)

I say this loveningly: And that is that you might belive that all is well in your spiritual life, yet you do not come across to me that way And yes, who am 'i' but just another of the 'jerks' from the above in your message perhaps? Yet, you are not sure are you?

Let me leave [the forum] with a question? In Isaiah 28 it mentions 'drunkards', 'overcome with wine', 'crown of pride, the drunkards', 'erred through wine, and strong drink', 'the priest and prophet have erred through strong drink', 'they err in vision, and stumble in judgement', 'ALL TABLES are full of vomit and filthiness, so that therr is NO place clean', Whom shall HE teach [Knowledge? and whom shall He make to understand Doctrine?]'

Yes, perhaps NO one understands the above verse? You know, 'erred through strong drink'? But just maybe [one] person can see theirself as described in Rev. 17:5-8 and especially verse 5? "[HER] ... MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE [MOTHER] of [HARLOTS] AND *ABOMINATION OF THE EARTH. (notice!) And I saw the [Women] DRUNKEN with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus:.."

And the word Babylon? Sure sounds like the tower of Babels 'CONFUSSION' to me! Doctrinal, that is! Gen. 7-9

Anyway! Worship on, you have the Master's consent to do as one please.
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Maybe you should try&nbsp;this .&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;

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Originally posted by Brian45
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Hi camaro , no your not a jerk ,&nbsp; and your post didn't bother me at all .

You said you don't go to church because of the reason you stated , I agree with you on that ,&nbsp; but I go to any denomination I choose , and if they try to shove their strange beliefs down my throught I turn it around and shove mine down theirs , and believe me , they soon leave you alone .&nbsp;

I have been to and still go to :

Catholic churches

seventh day adventists&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; (&nbsp; If i'm playing golf on sunday morning )

Jehovas wittnesses

Christadelphians

Baptist

Methodist&nbsp; and so on&nbsp; ,&nbsp; man I don't give a hoot what people think
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JERK? The Merriam Webster Dictionary says: "an annoyingingly stupid or [foolish] person." Try Titus 3:9-11 for one of us, at least! You can have the last go at 'go jump'.
We will see if this is true, that he does not give a hoot?

Forum: It is easy to see how the Original Subject matter will be [forced] upon Christians in the NAME of [only having one master].------P/N/B/
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, I only have one master , and all the rest can go jump&nbsp; .

Maybe you should try&nbsp;this .&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;

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Originally posted by camaro540
Originally posted by Pastor N.B.

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Hmmm, I'm not sure whats beginning to take place here, but I don't like the nature of it.

If I understand Brian45, all he&nbsp;was saying is that I should try going to these other denominations, and maybe even lead someone to the truth of Gods word that way. Don't know, maybe I'm wrong, but thats how I recieved Brians message.
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Pastor N.B. here:
Is that not the point? [Neither of you two] are saying that [they] are [all] wrong?? And you need to lead them to the truth??
John 1 Tells some of us that the Master went unto His [OWN]. (denomination)
(Yes, there was one who said that even the 'dogs' ate the crumbs at the table-she was an exception)

And it is not the condemnation that is suggested, that is bad, it is condenmation [without scripture].

As my previous post points out, no one is doing his or her own thing. Professed Christians [belong] to a denomination, regardless if one is independent or what ever? they still is are membership with a denomination. John 10:16

Now, this is the Master's beef: (That which you 'do not like the nature of it') He COMMANDED that the disciples 'Go to the [Lost sheep] of the House of Israel' FIRST! See Matt. 10:5-6 & 1 Peter 4:17. Notice that if they 'Shall not receive you, nor hear your words, ... Verily I say unto you, [It shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom and Gomorrha in the day of judgement, than for that city." (or do you not believe that you are in the Virgin denomination?? if not we best get looking! Eph. 4:5-Rev. 18:4 & John 10:16)

Rom. 2:28-29 tell us who the TRUE HOUSE OF ISRAEL are.

And it seem to me that there is enough [OPEN SIN] in all denominations that He is telling us that needs CLEANING UP FIRST! This is not the wheat & tares growing together! Again 1 Peter 4:17. Do we love our [OWN] before the Gentile?? Perhaps not. Try Josh. 7:12's last part.

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I wouldn't do that, because I don't feel that is what God has called me to do, although it may be what God has called Brian to do. I do know that Yeshua said that we would be able to drink any poison, and handle serpents, and no harm would come to us. This is the very thing our Master was telling us, that with Him in us, our faith, and the Word of God burned in our hearts, we could walk through the depths of hell, and no one or anything can touch us.
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Pastor N.B. here:
This above sounds good, but Matt. 4:6 was [a promise] quoted to the Savior Himself from the 'd'evil using [Christ own Words] from Psm. 91:11 almost exactly! But it was ONLY 1/2 Everlasting Gospel. The Lord quoted the condition for ALL promises back in the old testament, Deut. 6:16.
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I don't know Brian, or his approach in these matters, but I do know that Yeshua/Jesus walked amongst the evil, the fallen, the lost, the poor, the thiefs, and the beggers, he didn't go to those who were not lost. There is only one way we are going to find those who will be found, and that is to walk right in the middle of it all, to pick up our cross, and follow our Master, Yeshua Messiah.

Patrick

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Originally posted by Josiah
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I have to admit I had a little trouble following some of what you said in your post...I don't know if it's because you were unclear or I'm too "unlearned".&nbsp;

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Can I ask what your background is (I mean what are your "religious" beliefs (for lack of a better term...I don't like the term "religious" or "religion"...at least as it applies today!))?&nbsp; I'm just curious...&nbsp;

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Thanks!

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had to be CERTAIN!

Christ told me in John 10:16 that He had [other sheep] that were not of [THIS FOLD] & that He would bring them also! And in Rev. 18:4 I found that to be yoked in membership with [any] fold that is not the true one, (get this also) or that IS even the TRUE VIRGIN FOLD, if it becomes Apostate, regardless of Perfect Doctrines, it is still a FATAL fold to be yoked in membership with, without the Master inside her! Try Josh. 7:12's last part.

OK: We, my wife & I found this denomination that passes ALL the FAITH, BELIEF, TESTING of Inspiration [for us], and we joined her. (35+ yrs ago) We had our membership droped in 1990 I believe? We left the membership of Seventh-day Adventism because [THEY LEFT US!]. If you read Eccl. 1:9-10 & Eccl. 3:15 s-l-o-w-l-y you will see the EXACT SAME prophecy for the last day TRUE Virgin denomination. And if you Read the Masters Words in Matt. 23:3,
you will see that THE DOCTRINES OF OLD ISRAEL WERE NOT THE FAULT of their rejection. See Matt. 23:38 for a stated fact! And verses 30-37 for the Master's greif!

See if you can grasp this? (I will highlight it)
"{ALL} therefore [whatsoever they bid you observe, THAT OBSERVE AND DO]; *BUT [DO NOT AFTER THEIR WORKS, FOR *THEY SAY AND DO NOT]".
There was nothing wrong with Israel doctrines at the time of Christ!

And so we believe in, & are settled in the Doctrines of the ex/virgin True Fold of Adventism. ALL OF THEM, BAR NONE!
And as Israel of old fell, so does Laodicea of Rev. 3:16-17! Try Rev. 3:9. Still professing to be Jews the Master says! And there fate will be the same as in Matt. 10:15. They have not Babylons confussion, doctrine wise, yet in judgement, they will be judged worse than that of Sodom & Gomorrha.

Let me say this in closing: As inside ALL denominations & elsewhere, there are the MASTER'S SAINTS! Yet, ALL DENOMINATIONS ARE NOT THE MASTER'S TRUE [FOLD]. (it takes BOTH) And He tells us that THE HOUSE OF GOD WILL BE JUDGED FIRST! 1 Peter 4:17. The unlearned babes in Adventism & elsewhere will be TESTED with the Worlds testing of the Mark of the Beast.
Yet, Adventism as a denomination has been judged apostate of her commission. See Rev. 2:5.

Hope this helps?

Your friend in the Master's quickly finished work of, 1 Peter 4:17-Lev. 16:14,
Pastor N.B.

Pastor N.B. here:
Is that not the point? [Neither of you two] are saying that [they] are [all] wrong?? And you need to lead them to the truth?? <IMG alt="" src="http://www.christianforums.com/images/smilies/scratch.gif" border=0>
John 1 Tells some of us that the Master went unto His [OWN]. (denomination)
(Yes, there was one who said that even the 'dogs' ate the crumbs at the table-she was an exception)

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And it is not the condemnation that is suggested, that is bad, it is condenmation [without scripture].

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As my previous post points out, no one is doing his or her own thing. Professed Christians [belong] to a denomination, regardless if one is independent or what ever? they still is are membership with a denomination. John 10:16

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Now, this is the Master's beef: (That which you 'do not like the nature of it')

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&nbsp;He COMMANDED that the disciples 'Go to the [Lost sheep] of the House of Israel' FIRST! See Matt. 10:5-6 &amp; 1 Peter 4:17. Notice that if they 'Shall not receive you, nor hear your words, ... Verily I say unto you, [It shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom and Gomorrha in the day of judgement, than for that city." (or do you not believe that you are in the Virgin denomination?? if not we best get looking! Eph. 4:5-Rev. 18:4 &amp; John 10:16)

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Rom. 2:28-29 tell us who the TRUE HOUSE OF ISRAEL are.

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I wouldn't do that, because I don't feel that is what God has called me to do, although it may be what God has called Brian to do. I do know that Yeshua said that we would be able to drink any poison, and handle serpents, and no harm would come to us. This is the very thing our Master was telling us, that with Him in us, our faith, and the Word of God burned in our hearts, we could walk through the depths of hell, and no one or anything can touch us.
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Pastor N.B. here:
This above sounds good, but Matt. 4:6 was [a promise] quoted to the Savior Himself from the 'd'evil using [Christ own Words] from Psm. 91:11 almost exactly! But it was ONLY 1/2 Everlasting Gospel. The Lord quoted the condition for ALL promises back in the old testament, Deut. 6:16.
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Originally posted by Chloe
I would like to point out that worshiping on Sunday is no different than worshiping on Saturday. There is no reference in Scripture to the Sabbath changing from last day of the week to the first. Going to church on Sunday is not about keeping the Sabbath, but is about worshiping God and learning His word and fellowshipping with other believers. To say that Worshiping on Sunday is the mark is absolutely unbiblical and ridiculous. We see examples of the apostles gathering together on the first day of the week in Scripture. Worshiping God is what is important, not the day you do it. Sabbath means rest, it does not mean you must only worship God on Saturday. Jesus is our rest, our Sabbath, He is the Lord of the Sabbath. Many who say "you must keep the Sabbath", do not actually keep it all all, as it was ins[wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth]uted primarily as a day of rest and not just a day to worship God. In Scripture it clearly states we are not to let others judge us in meat and drink and sabbath days, etc, and how one esteems one day above the others and another esteems everyday alike, and to let each be persuaded in their own mind. I am persuaded that I am free to worship God EVERYDAY, not just the Sabbath. That is the biblical truth, period. To try to bring others into condemnation for not keeping the Sabbath is not only wrong, but unbiblical.

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