UN committee: Israel should let Palestinians return to their land

MachZer0 said:

Please provide a link that shows the Palestinians as a member state of the UN. When you don't find it, you'll understand why there are no resolutions against the Palestinians.

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Her next rant will be that the Palestinians should be part of the UN & that the U.S. is keeping them out. Let's add Hamas, Hezbollah & al-Qaida while we're at it.

CCGirl said:

Nice take on history....anyway, noone is saying they cannot stay where they are, they do not need a seperate state.

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I am assuming that since you failed to provide an example of my "take" on history being in error that it is hard to disprove truth, or I guess you could always resort to comments like "Nice take on history.."

mwb said:

When Castro gives Cuba back to the people, we'll talk.

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Wow.....your ignorance is showing again. Castro and the people are Cuba.....BTW, I am going to Cuba next week!!

Whyzdom said:

I am assuming that since you failed to provide an example of my "take" on history being in error that it is hard to disprove truth, or I guess you could always resort to comments like "Nice take on history.."

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I can provide you with an excellent link on Palestine, if you wish!

mwb said:

Her next rant will be that the Palestinians should be part of the UN & that the U.S. is keeping them out. Let's add Hamas, Hezbollah & al-Qaida while we're at it.

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There is nothing wrong with Hizbollah or Hamas. Neither one is a terrorist group, except in a select few co9untries, a definite minority in the world.

CCGirl said:

I can provide you with an excellent link on Palestine, if you wish!

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That doesn't disprove what I have been saying. That actually reinforces what I have said. The UN partitioned Palestine into 2 independent states. It would still be two independent states (with Palestine hopefully having been recognized by now) had it not been for the fact that Israel was attacked 4 times right? So am I in error? No, guess not.

Maybe if you could convince the surrounding Arab nations to stop screaming for the destruction of Israel; stop funding suicide bombers from killing innocent Israeli men, women, and children; stop providing weapons to terrorists; then you might... just might.. have a chance to establish peace there. If, however, you think that Israel is the aggressor in this matter, then you have a distorted view of current world situations. Israel = 1 Nation. Arabs have more than 20 nations. # of times Israel has started a war? 0 (unless you want to play semantics and count the war of 67 when an army was being massed to attack them - and they knew it- and decided to preempt the attack with their own attack).

To claim that Israel is at fault, solely at fault, is not only naïve at its very nature... but short-sighted and biased to a fault.

To claim that Palestinian's are at fault, solely at fault, is also naïvity at it's core.


Just like Palestinian's sending in Suicide bombers, Israeli's need to stop letting their settlers run amok.



The only thing that makes your source uncredible, is the fact that you are citing the UN. They aren't very credible, accurate, nor fair; and they don't follow their own mandates and resolutions.

CCGirl said:

There is nothing wrong with Hizbollah or Hamas. Neither one is a terrorist group, except in a select few co9untries, a definite minority in the world.

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Hamas charter states: "There is no solution for the Palestinian question except through Jihad."

Jihad per Wikipedia includes: In the classical manuals of Islamic jurisprudence, the rules associated with armed warfare are covered at great length.[3] Such rules include not killing women, children and non-combatants, as well as not damaging cultivated or residential areas.[5]

For it's defense, Jihad can have violet and nonviolent meanings, but with the fact of the Hamas having suicide bombers targeting innocent Israeli women and children.... seems they are breaking their own rules on jihad.



As for Hezbollah, they do a lot of good that is tempered and stained by the bad they do. Kidnapping Israeli soldiers like they did, is bad. While there may be only 6 countries that list Hezbollah as bad, even the EU considers one of the founding members a terrorist.

Birds of a feather flock together.

soblessed53 said:

It's just hilarious,AND ridiculous how everything that proves the Jews are God's chosen,

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The Jews are no longer God's chosen people. They have turned away from God in their rejection of Christ. You have been given many biblical passages which support this, none of which have you addressed. All of the passages (all one of them) which you have offered to support your view have been shown to be misinterpreted. What is hilarious and ridiculous is that you still think you have an argument.

soblessed53 said:

He calls them "the apple of His eye",

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He also calls them wicked, sinful, proud, stubborn, evil.

soblessed53 said:

and that proves the Palestinians have no claim whatsoever to Israel,is just discounted!

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No it doesn't. First of all you are wrong, the Jews are not Gods chosen people, and secondly the fact that he has called Israel 'the apple of his eye' in the past does not change any right that the Palestinian people have to live where they live. Furthermore, God took the land from Israel and gave it to others because of their disobedience. Like I said before, it says in Jeremiah 31 that he will not restore Israel until the Jew repent.

ScottishJohn said:

The Jews are no longer God's chosen people. They have turned away from God in their rejection of Christ. You have been given many biblical passages which support this, none of which have you addressed. All of the passages (all one of them) which you have offered to support your view have been shown to be misinterpreted. What is hilarious and ridiculous is that you still think you have an argument.



He also calls them wicked, sinful, proud, stubborn, evil.



No it doesn't. First of all you are wrong, the Jews are not Gods chosen people, and secondly the fact that he has called Israel 'the apple of his eye' in the past does not change any right that the Palestinian people have to live where they live. Furthermore, God took the land from Israel and gave it to others because of their disobedience. Like I said before, it says in Jeremiah 31 that he will not restore Israel until the Jew repent.

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Oops--wrong again. Jeremiah 31 speaks to the fact of Israels restoration and the remnant being saved through Gods compassion. The miracle of this chapter is the reminder that even though Israel did wrong God keeps his promise and repentance follows the restoration. Many Jews will come to Christ in the last days. Further--the restoration of Israel is for GOD.

Commentary http://www.searchgodsword.org/com/jfb/view.cgi?book=jer&chapter=31&verse=33#Jer31_33
a nation--Israel's national polity has been broken up by the Romans. But their preservation as a distinct people amidst violent persecutions, though scattered among all nations for eighteen centuries, unamalgamated, whereas all other peoples under such circumstances have become incorporated with the nations in which they have been dispersed, is a perpetual standing miracle (compare Jeremiah 33:20, Psalms 148:6, Isaiah 54:9,10).



10 "Hear the word of the LORD, O nations;
proclaim it in distant coastlands:
'He who scattered Israel will gather them
and will watch over his flock like a shepherd.' 11 For the LORD will ransom Jacob
and redeem them from the hand of those stronger than they.

35 This is what the LORD says,
he who appoints the sun
to shine by day,
who decrees the moon and stars
to shine by night,
who stirs up the sea
so that its waves roar—
the LORD Almighty is his name: 36 "Only if these decrees vanish from my sight,"
declares the LORD,
"will the descendants of Israel ever cease
to be a nation before me." 37 This is what the LORD says:
"Only if the heavens above can be measured
and the foundations of the earth below be searched out
will I reject all the descendants of Israel
because of all they have done,"
declares the LORD.

ILOVJESUSTILHERESIGNS said:

I don't see anything to prove that Jews are God Chosen. By saying this, you are rejecting the work of Christ and claiming God to be racist and favoritist.

Also, by claiming Israel belongs to Jews you are making God a real estate agent.

Shame on the cult of Christian Zionism.

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I suppose you think you know more than the scholars but I have to wonder--if you really believe that God took back his promise regarding his chosen people because they sinned against him--what hope do us gentile Christians have?

It would make God a liar and at any time he could remove the promise of Christs blood from the grafted gentiles as we continue to reject Christ since none of us is perfect.

ScottishJohn said:

Where is that proven to be relevant? Americans are Americans because they live there. Same thing with Palestinians.



This is the same UN you are condemning for wanting to rid the world of Jews?



Show me one piece of UN resolution aiming to rid the world of Jews.



Exactly. And you think this is due to some kind of bias, and nothing to do with the slaughter of civillians, the illegal occupation of land, the building of illegal settlements and walls, denying access to medicine, water, work food and resources, bulldozing occupied homes, etc etc etc.

Face it, the Israeli government and Palestinian terrorists are as bad as each other.



That is what is known as a non sequiteur.



Exactly, which is why you, (as the only person in this debate yet to post a link), need to substantiate your claims, or admit your error.



If they could they would. They can't. Therefore we need to negotiate them around to another position.



The issue is not spiritual. Israel is a secular country. Jews by definition have rejected Christ, and by doing so have turned their back on God, and will remain outside his plan until they repent and come to Christ. In Jeremiah 31 God promises to restore Israel at that point.



According to the Bible (Romans 11) the Jews have been broken off from Gods chosen people through their unbelief, and us gentiles have been grafted in. The Jews will only be grafted in again when they repent.



The modern secular state of Israel is not of God.

I'll leave you with this:

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http://www.middleeastfacts.com/middle-east-facts.php

http://www.honestreporting.com/

You wanted links...................

Bubbi said:

http://www.middleeastfacts.com/middle-east-facts.php

http://www.honestreporting.com/

You wanted links...................

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Right, that is half of the process - you have provided links. Now show how those links support whatever your argument is, and I will show you where you are wrong.

Bubbi said:

Oops--wrong again. Jeremiah 31 speaks to the fact of Israels restoration and the remnant being saved through Gods compassion.

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On the contrary - if you refer to the passage this is what you will find:

Jeremiah 31 said:

8 "I have surely heard Ephraim's moaning:
'You disciplined me like an unruly calf,
and I have been disciplined.
Restore me, and I will return,
because you are the LORD my God.

19 After I strayed,
I repented;
after I came to understand,
I beat my breast.
I was ashamed and humiliated
because I bore the disgrace of my youth.'

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Jeremiah 31 said:

"In those days people will no longer say,
'The fathers have eaten sour grapes,
and the children's teeth are set on edge.'

30 Instead, everyone will die for his own sin; whoever eats sour grapes—his own teeth will be set on edge.

31 "The time is coming," declares the LORD,
"when I will make a new covenant
with the house of Israel
and with the house of Judah.

32 It will not be like the covenant
I made with their forefathers
when I took them by the hand
to lead them out of Egypt,
because they broke my covenant,
though I was a husband to [d] them, [e] "
declares the LORD.

33 "This is the covenant I will make with the house of Israel
after that time," declares the LORD.
"I will put my law in their minds
and write it on their hearts.
I will be their God,
and they will be my people.

34 No longer will a man teach his neighbor,
or a man his brother, saying, 'Know the LORD,'
because they will all know me,
from the least of them to the greatest,"
declares the LORD.
"For I will forgive their wickedness
and will remember their sins no more."

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Salvations comes through Christ alone. Without Christ there is no salvation.

Bubbi said:

The miracle of this chapter is the reminder that even though Israel did wrong God keeps his promise and repentance follows the restoration.

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That is not what it says.

Bubbi said:

Many Jews will come to Christ in the last days. Further--the restoration of Israel is for GOD.

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Where do you get that?

Bubbi Commentary [URL said:

http://www.searchgodsword.org/com/jfb/view.cgi?book=jer&chapter=31&verse=33#Jer31_33[/URL]
a nation--Israel's national polity has been broken up by the Romans. But their preservation as a distinct people amidst violent persecutions, though scattered among all nations for eighteen centuries, unamalgamated, whereas all other peoples under such circumstances have become incorporated with the nations in which they have been dispersed, is a perpetual standing miracle (compare Jeremiah 33:20, Psalms 148:6, Isaiah 54:9,10).



10 "Hear the word of the LORD, O nations;
proclaim it in distant coastlands:
'He who scattered Israel will gather them
and will watch over his flock like a shepherd.' 11 For the LORD will ransom Jacob
and redeem them from the hand of those stronger than they.

35 This is what the LORD says,
he who appoints the sun
to shine by day,
who decrees the moon and stars
to shine by night,
who stirs up the sea
so that its waves roar—
the LORD Almighty is his name: 36 "Only if these decrees vanish from my sight,"
declares the LORD,
"will the descendants of Israel ever cease
to be a nation before me." 37 This is what the LORD says:
"Only if the heavens above can be measured
and the foundations of the earth below be searched out
will I reject all the descendants of Israel
because of all they have done,"
declares the LORD.

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Which does not change or even challenge the fact that Jeremiah 31, along with Romans and most of the new testament says that salvation is through Christ, that since the coming of Christ Gods plan for the Jews is the same as his plan for the gentiles, that the Jews are broken off through unbelief (Romans 11) and can only be grafted back into Gods people through repentence and belief.

You still have not addressed any of the other passages which support this.