ILoveISrael said:
Most of it is this trinity stuff, which I do not see how it disproves we worship the same God, the differences are on our views of God.
And some of the other stuff she pointed out seemed like it was pre-islam beliefs in this "moon god".
In the begining of this thread I clearly said if you are a Christian that believe Jesus is G-d and worship Jesus as G-d then no we do not worship the same G-d, just like Jews whom do not worship Jesus but G-d alone who created Jesus.
As for
MonCoeur's ranting about Allah is a moon god she is merely following propaganda that she herself has not even studied. She knows nothing about pre-Islam pagan religions, their beliefs and ideologies. All she is doing is copy and paste work.
Now, being that you asked, and you seem sincere of wanting to learn in order to understand rather than bearing false witness, it will be worth explaining to you.
The "moon god" that some demented people have been ranting about was known by many names depending on the region. It was known as Sin, Nanna, and Hubal.
To make a long story short, which I am sure you can look into it, the moon god was called "Hubul" in Makkah.
The mother of the Hubul was Ninlil whom was also known as Uzza. Uzza bka Ninlil was considered one of the daughters of Allah.
Propagandist Delima
How could Allah be the moon god Hubul if the mother of the moon god was Uzza - whom was one of the daughters of Allah ?
How could Allah be the moon god Hubul if the daughters of the moon god were Inanna and Ishkur, whom also had a son called Utu while Allah in pagan beliefs had no son but only daughters called Uzza, Lat, and Mannat ?
Makes alot of since right ?
What were the pagans concept of Allah ?
There are only two sources that exist today that document what the pagans believed in Allah as, which are the Quran and Hadeeth:
The Pagans could not see Allah
[17:90] They(the pagans) say: "We shall not believe in thee(Muhammad), until thou cause a spring to gush forth for us from the earth,
[17:91] "Or (until) thou have a garden of date trees and vines, and cause rivers to gush forth in their midst, carrying abundant water,
[17:92] "Or thou cause the sky to fall in pieces, as thou sayest (will happen), against us, or thou bring Allah and the angels before (us) face to face;
[2:210] Will they(the pagans) wait until Allah comes to them in canopies of clouds, with angels (in His train) and the question is (thus) settled? But to Allah do all questions go back (for decision).
Allah not recognized as one of the Idols by the pagans
[29:17] "For you (pagans) do worship idols besides Allah, and ye invent falsehood. The things that ye worship besides Allah have no power to give you sustenance: then seek ye sustenance from Allah, serve Him, and be grateful to Him: to Him will be your return.
Muhammad declared to the pagans they do not worship what him and his followers worshiped (Allah)
[109:1-6] Say(Muhammad to the pagans): O ye that reject Faith! I (Muhammad) worship not that which ye worship, Nor will ye worship that which I worship, And I will not worship that which ye have been wont to worship, Nor will ye worship that which I worship, To you be your Way, and to me mine.
The following is hadeeth report of an event showing that Allah and Hubul were not the same:
Sahih Al-Bukhari Volumn 005, Book 059, Hadith Number 375.
Narated By Al-Bara : We faced the pagans on that day (of the battle of Uhud) and the Prophet placed a batch of archers (at a special place) and appointed 'Abdullah (bin Jubair) as their commander and said, "Do not leave this place; and if you should see us conquering the enemy, do not leave this place, and if you should see them conquering us, do not (come to) help us," So, when we faced the enemy, they took to their heel till I saw their women running towards the mountain, lifting up their clothes from their legs, revealing their leg-bangles. The Muslims started saying, "The booty, the booty!" 'Abdullah bin Jubair said, "The Prophet had taken a firm promise from me not to leave this place." But his companions refused (to stay). So when they refused (to stay there), (Allah) confused them so that they could not know where to go, and they suffered seventy casualties. Abu Sufyan ascended a high place and said, "Is Muhammad present amongst the people?" The Prophet said, "Do not answer him." Abu Sufyan said, "Is the son of Abu Quhafa present among the people?" The Prophet said, "Do not answer him." Abd Sufyan said, "Is the son of Al-Khattab amongst the people?" He then added, "All these people have been killed, for, were they alive, they would have replied." On that, 'Umar could not help saying, "You are a liar, O enemy of Allah! Allah has kept what will make you unhappy." Abu Safyan said, "Superior may be Hubal!" On that the Prophet said (to his companions), "Reply to him." They asked, "What may we say?" He said, "Say: Allah is More Elevated and More Majestic!" Abu Sufyan said, "We have (the idol) Al-'Uzza, whereas you have no 'Uzza!" The Prophet said (to his companions), "Reply to him." They said, "What may we say?" The Prophet said, "Say: Allah is our Helper and you have no helper." Abu Sufyan said, "(This) day compensates for our loss at Badr and (in) the battle (the victory) is always undecided and shared in turns by the belligerents. You will see some of your dead men mutilated, but neither did I urge this action, nor am I sorry for it." Narrated Jabir: Some people took wine in the morning of the day of Uhud and were then killed as martyrs.
To add to this you will hear alot of manipulation techniques being used about the symbol of the crescent moon which was the symbol of the moon god Hubul which is now being used as a symbol of Islam. However, as many do not know, whom tend to conjecture, the symbol of crescent moon was adopted from the Turks due to the rule of the Ottoman empire
http://www.fotw.net/flags/islam.html .
Hope this was a help.
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