Did Adam or Eve?

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Umm, thats a good one, I can't wait to here the answer.

My guess would be that Adam was a man, and as such was supposed to be the leader of the "family", in eating the fruit, he took the sin on himself since he should have questioned where it came from.

Thats the best I can do.

I have another question, this is more opinion though. Do you guys think the fruit they ate exists in todays society? I personally think that it no longer exists and it was so special because only one tree held it.
 
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From what I can read and understand, God told "man" not to eat of the fruit. (Genesis 2:16-17) He told him this before "woman" was created (v. 19). Therefore it was "man's" responsibility to see that this command was obeyed. Adam did not protect his wife. Eve was in search of wisdom/knowledge. She was tempted with all the knowledge available, and she gave in. But Adam should have been there, and he should have protected her. But he ate of the fruit also; he knew that is was in direct disobedience with God's command, but he did it anyway. Therefore it was his sin because he is the one that disobeyed.
 
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Clarification; by saying that "he should have been there" I did not mean that he was not physically present, but that he did not stand up for what is right. And as the "man", the "head of his family" he was to "protect" and care for his family. He did not do this.

In my way of thinking, no one can "make" you do anything that you do not want to do (unless they have a gun or such). But since Adam did eat, it was his choice. Also, I don't belive that the "eating" of the fruit in and of itself was the sin, but the sin of disobedience. Adam choose to directly disobey God (remember, he WALKED with God, and talked with God, he had to know Him intimately), where we are not really clear as to whether Eve was given that command or not (it can only be assumed). But then again, Adam was the head of the family.

I guess I read it like this, if my young children do something wrong, I am responsible, because they are my responsibility, followed by my husband, because he is ultimately responsibility for the entire family. So that is why the sin is attributed to Adam; whether or not Eve knew it was sin, Adam was ultimately responsible.

But that is just my interpretation. I do not mean to debate or offend.
 
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Eve had been seduced by Satan. He was in Paradise (the Garden) with them; The seed of sin came from Satan and Eve; therefore producing Cain and then Abel, whom Cain slew.

Genesis 3:15:
And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shall bruise thy heal.

The tree of knowledge of good and evil is still in Paradise. Enoch, who was taken to heaven describes it:

And beyond these, I went afar to the east and I saw another place, a valley full of water. And therein there was a tree, the colour of (?) of fragrant trees such as the mastic. And on the sides of those valleys I saw fragrant cinnamon. And beyond these I proceeded to the east.

And I saw other mountains, and amongst them were groves of trees, and there flowed forth from them nectar, which is named sarara and galbanum. And beyond these mountains I saw another mountain to the east of the ends of the earth, whereon were aloe-trees, and all the trees were full of stacte, being like almond-trees. And when one burnt it, it smelt sweeter than any fragrant odour.

And after these fregrant odours, as I looked towards the north over the mountains I saw seven mountains full of choice nard and fragrant trees and cinnamon and pepper. And thence I went over the summits of all these mountains, far towards the east of the earth, and passed above the Erythraen sea and went far from it, and passed over the angel Zotiel. And I came to the Garden of Righteousness, I and afar off trees more numerous than I these trees and great-two trees there, very great, beautiful, and glorious, and magnificent, and the tree of knowledge, whose holy fruit they eat and know great wisdom. That tree is in height like the fir, and it's leaves are like (those of) the Carob tree: and it's fruit is like the clusters of the vine, very beautiful: and the fragrance of the tree penetrates afar. Then I said: 'How beautiful is the tree, and how attractive is it's look!' Then Raphael the holy angel, who was with me, answered me and said:'This is the tree of wisdom, of which thy father old (in years) and thy aged mother, who were before thee, have eaten, and they learnt wisdom and their eyes were opened, and they knew that they were naked and they were driven out of the garden.'

Throughout the bible there is a distinction between the good seed and the bad seed; why? Because wickedness was sown among the good. This is the parable Jesus spoke of explaining the wheat and the tares.

Wildfire
 
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I think what you are reffering to is Romans 5:12-21. Sin entered the human race through Adam's seed. Eve was created from Adam's rib (or part of Adam's side), so Eve was created through Adam, of course by Gods will. God gave Adam the warning not to eat the fruit from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. In chapter 3 we read that Eve also knew this, but she did it anyway. She then gave some of the fruit to Adam, who also ate it. Then in chapter 4 we see that Eve gave birth to Cain & Abel. They are the first "seeds" of Adam. The passages in Romans 5:12-21 compare Adam & Christ. Notice it says that with Christ we receive righteousness, it does not say threw Mary who was the mother of Christ. Mary concieved Christ and threw Him we receive our salvation. In the same way, our sin was "received" threw Adam. I hope this helps.
 
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Help-me-learn writes..

The bible says that thru one man sin entered the world and thru one man sin was paid for. This is refering to the man Adam and the man Jesus.
But Eve was the first to sin. So why say thru Adam and not Eve? [/B]


Eph replies...

EVE first...Ehh...not really but only from the technical sence...Let's go look at Gen and see...

Gen 2:16:17 says what..? God commanded the MAN...( literally in the Hebrew it's "the Adam"...)...God told ADAM not to eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil...Notice at this time Eve wasn't even created yet..!

Gen 2:18..God decides to make Adam a helpmate...( I know..with help like that who needs enemies LOL :D ) But what is intresting is God according to the scriptural account..never told Eve not to eat from that tree...! God told Adam...

Gen 2:21 22 Eve is created....thats AFTER God told Adam about the tree...

Gen 3:3 ...( from here on out is MY thoughts on what MIGHT have happened )....We encounter Eve and she quotes God as saying "ye shall not eat of it..."neither shall ye touch it"..

Wait a sec...God never said they couldn't touch it..They could touch it all day long....What God said was don't eat from it...Satan knew what God had said..and he moved in on that mistake Eve had made....BUT in all fairness...it could have been ADAM that told her not to "touch it"...

It might have gone something like this...!

......Adam tells Eve....God said we can eat from every tree..except that one....Eve asks..Whats so different about that one..? Adam says..well I don't really know..but God said we shouldn't eat from it...So don't eat from it..as a matter of fact play it safe and Stay away from it altogether..don't go near it...don't eat from it..don't even touch it..OK...Eve says OK...!

See my point with that little made up story is EVE added something to God's word that God never had said...Satan knew Gods word and attacked that little mistake she made...By bringing doubt to Eve by saying.. GEN 3:4..Ye shall not surely die..!

GEN 2:6...says Eve "took" the fruit.....Now put alittle flesh and blood on whats going on here..She just got done saying she would die if she even touched it..and NOW she's holding it and she's still alive...She starts to "place her FAITH"..more in what Satan just told her.."ye surely won't die"...than what she had been told by ADAM ( at least thats how I see it unfolding for her )

Adam is standing right there with her the whole time this is happening and HE does nothing to stop her..thats according to GEN 2:6.."her husband WITH her"...

So Eve touches it and doesn't die..so she takes the next step and bites into it..BUT the sin hasn't been commited yet...Why..?

Because God told ADAM not to do that...and (( I think ))...Adam relayed that message to EVE....

So Eve was disobedient to Adam....which isn't a sin..BUT when Adam chomped down on that "fruit"...HE was disobedient to God...and thus the SIN was in the book...!
 
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Adam is to blame because he neglected his duty. As a man, you are the spiritual leader of your household. Your spiritual life affects the whole process of communication and your families happiness. Notice in Genesis that Eve ate of the fruit first, but who is held accountable for the Fall? Notice also what Genesis tells us about Eve " She also gave to her husband with her, and he ate" Where was Adam? With her. Was he doing his job as spiritual leader? No. he was with her and did not guide her when the serpent tempted her, he did not attempt to lead her away from the fruit and then he also partook of the fruit.
 
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Gabriel said

Adam is to blame because he neglected his duty. As a man, you are the spiritual leader of your household.

Eph writes...

Gabby....I don't think at this time they had a house...as a matter of fact I don't even think they had to pay any rent....!

Gabriel says..

Your spiritual life affects the whole process of communication and your families happiness.

Eph says...

Gabriel...Adam and Eve didn't have a family yet...! She was supposed to be a HELPMATE...and look what she did...! LOL

Gabby says...

Notice in Genesis that Eve ate of the fruit first, but who is held accountable for the Fall?

Eph writes...

Yeah I see it your right....the women always seem to reach for things they shouldn't...and MEN get the blame in the end for it...!
Things don't change much for example...CRY a bit..or smile right...and a Cop won't write you a ticket..but if I cry OR smile....and I'll get a bigger ticket...!

Gabriel writes...

Notice also what Genesis tells us about Eve " She also gave to her husband with her, and he ate" Where was Adam? With her. Was he doing his job as spiritual leader? No. he was with her and did not guide her when the serpent tempted her, he did not attempt to lead her away from the fruit and then he also partook of the fruit.

Eph writes...

Hey come on...be a little more sympathetic with em...Here's how I see it...Poor 'ol Adam was probably trying to build her a house ( like you were saying )...and the poor guy takes a break for lunch and she hands him something to eat...He thinks "great"..so he eats it figuring she just whipped it up for his lunch...and BAM...We're all in the bucket now...Why..??
cause She took from the wrong tree to make lunch for her hard workin husband...!

It never fails...first time ya let your guard down kick off your shoes to take a break...BAM..these women let ya have it...!

:D :D :D :D
 
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In a way this part of the thread perhaps demonstrates what happened in the garden with the fruit.... the woman took it seriously and was concerned while the man thought it was okay to act in the way he did !!

Whatever the respone we should not take a strict literal interpretation of this part, it is a story to explain creation and the "fall" of man.

I can't seem to get these little flashing smiling things to operate.

Just remember to keep the peace of our lord in your heart Gabriel.

David
 
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1 Tim 2:14 And it was not Adam who was deceived, but the woman being deceived, fell into transgression

Eve was decieved... Adam was not... ergo Adam's actions came not from deception but from willingness. Therein lied the admittance of willful sin.

Also, the entire race had not sinned originally, just Eve. When Adam sinned, it completed the entry of sin to the race.
 
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