Origin of hell

HopeBforJC · Feb 13, 2007

I'm currently taking a social studies class called You and the Law. It's a fairly stupid class, but I just want to get social studies out of the way so I don't have to take it any more. That's besides the point....

In that class we just got done watching a movie about the history of punishment. And back in the day in Europe they had several, several, horrible..evil...inhumane ways of "punishing" these people who committed crimes. It was fairly interesting when I actually decided to pay attention to the movie (yeah, I fell asleep the first day..). The things they did at times absolutely made me cringe and the fact that people were SOO interested in the things that they would do to these criminals (whatever you want to call them) just caught my attention. And the executors (whatever you want to call them too) seemed to be desensitized to what they were doing to these people.

With that, it brought me to ask; When did the traditional view of hell come into place? Was it actually taught in Jesus' day? Is it really a biblical belief? Or is it something that Christianity has been mistaken for so long? It almost seems as though it would have been easy back then to not have any problem with the traditional view of hell. And as society grows, and learns more and becomes more "bonded" we seem to have more of a 'caring' heart.

So...thoughts??

Rion · Feb 13, 2007

The Hebrews knew of Sheol, which is seperated for the sinners and righteous. Jesus explained Hell and being allowed into Heaven.

drmmjr · Feb 13, 2007

Scripturally speaking, hell is the grave. Hell is an English word derived from the Anglo-Saxon word “helan”, which means “to cover” or “to hide out of sight”.

The Old Testament was originally written in the Hebrew language; the New Testament was originally written in the Greek language. In order for the Bible to be read in English, therefore, it was necessary for Bible scholars to translate the Bible from the Hebrew and Greek languages into English.

The English word ‘hell’ was used by these translators to translate Hebrew and Greek words that were originally used by Bible writers to refer to the grave.

The Hebrew word for grave is ‘sheol’. The Greek word for grave is ‘hades’. Old Testament writers, like Moses, Job, David, Solomon, and Isaiah, recorded the fact that dead men are buried in ‘sheol’. New Testament writers, like Matthew, Luke, Paul, and John, taught that the dead are buried in ‘hades’.

Looking at Acts2:27-31 and Psalm 16:10, you can see that ‘sheol’ and ‘hades’ have the same meaning – the grave. Acts 2:27 is a direct quote of Psalm 16:10. In Psalms the word ‘hell’ is translated from the Hebrew word ‘sheol’, and in Acts the word ‘hell’ is translated from the Greek wore ‘hades’. This helps to prove that the two words mean the same thing.

david_x · Feb 13, 2007

When did the traditional view of hell come into place? Was it actually taught in Jesus' day? Is it really a biblical belief? Or is it something that Christianity has been mistaken for so long?

Early years of judism.
Yes.
Yes.
No.

Stinker · Feb 13, 2007

The book of Daniel was written in 602 B.C.

Here is what he had to say while under inspiration of the Holy Spirit:

Daniel 12:2 (Amplified Bible)

2And many of those who sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake: some to everlasting life and some to shame and everlasting contempt and abhorrence.

HopeBforJC · Feb 13, 2007

drmmjr said:
Scripturally speaking, hell is the grave. Hell is an English word derived from the Anglo-Saxon word “helan”, which means “to cover” or “to hide out of sight”.

The Old Testament was originally written in the Hebrew language; the New Testament was originally written in the Greek language. In order for the Bible to be read in English, therefore, it was necessary for Bible scholars to translate the Bible from the Hebrew and Greek languages into English.

The English word ‘hell’ was used by these translators to translate Hebrew and Greek words that were originally used by Bible writers to refer to the grave.

The Hebrew word for grave is ‘sheol’. The Greek word for grave is ‘hades’. Old Testament writers, like Moses, Job, David, Solomon, and Isaiah, recorded the fact that dead men are buried in ‘sheol’. New Testament writers, like Matthew, Luke, Paul, and John, taught that the dead are buried in ‘hades’.

Looking at Acts2:27-31 and Psalm 16:10, you can see that ‘sheol’ and ‘hades’ have the same meaning – the grave. Acts 2:27 is a direct quote of Psalm 16:10. In Psalms the word ‘hell’ is translated from the Hebrew word ‘sheol’, and in Acts the word ‘hell’ is translated from the Greek wore ‘hades’. This helps to prove that the two words mean the same thing.

Right, I know that. And I think I believe that hell is basically death, but it's got a lot more detail into it then that..I've watched a sermon on that and its uhh..pretty good if you ask me. I'm still on the wall on exactly what I believe though.

Basically what I'm trying to ask in the OP is when did the "fire and brimstone" viewpoint begin? And is it possible that it was so easy for people to believe in it back then because of the way society was posed? I know people still believe in it and it's probably a very common belief among a lot of you on this forum. But I personally find the view err..sadistic.

david_x · Feb 13, 2007

"there will be gnashing of teeth" appers in matthew

Fireinfolding · Feb 13, 2007

david_x said:
"there will be gnashing of teeth" appers in matthew

Whats the difference between that and the following you know?

Acts 7:54 When they heard these things, they were cut to the heart, and they gnashed on him with their teeth.

Peace

Fireinfolding

david_x · Feb 13, 2007

Mine was a reference to hell.?.

Fireinfolding · Feb 13, 2007

HopeBforJC said:
Right, I know that. And I think I believe that hell is basically death, but it's got a lot more detail into it then that..I've watched a sermon on that and its uhh..pretty good if you ask me. I'm still on the wall on exactly what I believe though.

Basically what I'm trying to ask in the OP is when did the "fire and brimstone" viewpoint begin? And is it possible that it was so easy for people to believe in it back then because of the way society was posed? I know people still believe in it and it's probably a very common belief among a lot of you on this forum. But I personally find the view err..sadistic.

Heres an interesting verse, I highlighted it to show that this verse seems to equate the realm of hell to earth.

Isaiah 14:9 HELL""""from BENEATH"""" is moved FOR THEE to MEET THEE at THY COMING: IT stirreth up THE DEAD FOR THEE, """" EVEN """ ALL the CHEIF ONES of THE EARTH; it hath raised up from their thrones ALL THE KINGS OF THE NATIONS.

I always sorta wondered why Jesus said this if hell wasnt really on the same ground per se'

Mat 16:18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and ***THE GATES OF HELL*** shall not prevail against it.

Gates of death seem equal with "them that hate me"

O LORD; consider my trouble which I suffer of THEM that ~~HATE ME~~ thou that liftest me up ****FROM THE GATES OF DEATH***

Then ofourse theres John who ssays we have passed from "death unto life" because we LOVE the brethren.

I have a bunch of scripts I never saw adressed about it actually.

Peace

Fireinfolding

HopeBforJC · Feb 13, 2007

Fireinfolding said:
Heres an interesting verse, I highlighted it to show that this verse seems to equate the realm of hell to earth.

Isaiah 14:9 HELL""""from BENEATH"""" is moved FOR THEE to MEET THEE at THY COMING: IT stirreth up THE DEAD FOR THEE, """" EVEN """ ALL the CHEIF ONES of THE EARTH; it hath raised up from their thrones ALL THE KINGS OF THE NATIONS.

I always sorta wondered why Jesus said this if hell wasnt really on the same ground per se'

Mat 16:18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and ***THE GATES OF HELL*** shall not prevail against it.

Gates of death seem equal with "them that hate me"

O LORD; consider my trouble which I suffer of THEM that ~~HATE ME~~ thou that liftest me up ****FROM THE GATES OF DEATH***

Then ofourse theres John who ssays we have passed from "death unto life" because we LOVE the brethren.

I have a bunch of scripts I never saw adressed about it actually.

Peace

Fireinfolding

I think I sort of missed your point?

Fireinfolding · Feb 13, 2007

HopeBforJC said:
I think I sort of missed your point?

Dont worry about it, maybe I just misunderstood your post.

Peace
Fireinfolding

Adoniram · Feb 13, 2007

HopeBforJC said:
Basically what I'm trying to ask in the OP is when did the "fire and brimstone" viewpoint begin?

Perhaps the "fire and brimstone" concept comes from Jesus' story about the rich man and Lazarus. Both passed from this life and then the rich man says: "Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus that he may dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame." Luke 16:24 And also from Jesus description of the judging of the nations when he will say to those on the left hand: "Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels." Mt. 25:41 Or perhaps from Rev. 20:10 "The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever." The last two passages refer to the lake of fire, the final destination of all who rebel against God. In the first passage however, the rich man is in Hades, in torment from the flames, which would suggest that Jesus is teaching that the unrighteous will endure the torment of flames in Hades (hell) when they pass from this life.

According to Widipedia, "fire and brimstone preaching" may have originated during the "Great Awakening" of the 1730's and 1740's with Jonathan Edwards and George Whitefield.

david_x · Feb 14, 2007

According to Widipedia, "fire and brimstone preaching" may have originated during the "Great Awakening" of the 1730's and 1740's with Jonathan Edwards and George Whitefield.

And then puritanism died out

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