Universal Salvation or Universal Reconciliation

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Originally posted by hobart schmedly
Universal salvation is a bit more difficult as pointed out in a number of posts. One way is "ONE" way.

Unless there is an opportunity AFTER death to enter through the "one way".

For anyone following this thread, a solid scriptural basis for the "no chance after death" would be good.


Originally posted by hobart schmedly
God will deal out a punishment that equals the sin. Eye for eye.... not life for eye. Tooth for tooth, not eternal hell for tooth. That is the meaning of "just recompence of reward". The punishment will match the sin.
This judgement is seen in Revelation:

Rev 20:12
(12) And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of the things which were written in the books, according to their works.


So we come to the question: What sin is so grievious that it would merit eternal torment in a burning hell? As evil as Hitler and others were, the horrors they commited are not anything near the equivalent of an "eternal hell". As much are some deserve mucho punishment, it would not be justice to inflict infinite torment for finite sin.

Another good point...


Originally posted by hobart schmedly
Finally there is the 3 days and 3 nights concept. The suffering that Christ endured lasted for at most 3 days and 3 nights. At some point God determined that the punishement that was due the world for sin was paid:

Isa 53:11
(11) He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities.


Christ did not endure an etenal hell fire for the sins of 6 billion(+) souls as it would seem justice would require. God is very concerned with equality and balance:

Proverbs 11
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A false balance is abomination to the Lord: but a just weight is his delight.


I had never concidered that! Very thought provoking post... thanks Hobart.
 
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"I guess we are going to have to agree to disagree on this point because it looks to me from the passages quoted earlier that no one comes to the Father except in the way established."

I guess so then, because I also think God as shown by the passages and the bible as a whole, doesn't hold people that can't understand the choice accountable for that choice.

"o.k. There is a lot of stuff in Rom 9-11 what specifically are you pointing to?"

Israel will be saved per the old convant but they don't believe in Christ. Read those chapters, they are quite enlightening.

"Also I am curious, what is your scriptural basis for "no chance after death"?"

When you're standing before a judge in a court at sentencing can you change your plea? nope, you're already been found guilty or innocent. Paul in chapter 10 of romans hashes out how Israel can be saved without belief in Christ..His very first thoughts are 1. they didn't hear..or 2 they didn't understand. If those are yes they Paul seems to say they are saved. The later part of chatper 10 seems to flow like this..they have to be saved because God said they would be. Okay.hmm....Do they now know God..no..they are knowledgable of him..have they not heard..no..they have heard in the scriptures...Will God reject them? No..there has to be something else...He then goes into a long discourse on how they fell away for our benefit. then summs up with they will be saved becuase God promiced it so.
 
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