Theologians say you can become god!

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Hector Medina

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Howdy,

Can you believe it!

I`ve rescearched:

Good Morman husbands think they become God(thier wives become eternaly pregnent and produce sprit babies) when they go to heaven!

Some very major Catholic theologians think they get to be God!



What DO YOU think?


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Illusions of granduer..... :eek: ....No surprise, since the pride of man has no boundaries other than death (a biggy).

Romans 1:21  Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
2 Corinthians 10:5  Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;


 
 
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Everything Jesus was when He walked the Earth, we can become. We can have the same divine nature that He had. We can have the same mind that He had. It is all a work of the Holy Spirit in us. We become children of God. Just as Adam and Eve, before the fall, reflected God, so as we are born again, we take on the image of our father.

2 Peter 1:4b that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.

Philip. 2:5  Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus,

1 Cor. 2:16b we have the mind of Christ.

Romans 15:5b be likeminded one toward another according to Christ Jesus:

1 Cor. 11:1 Imitate me, just as I also imitate Christ.

1 John 2:6b walk just as He walked.

1 Peter 2:21b follow His steps:
 

God does not tell us to do something that we can not do.

Also, we are given the name of Jesus. All power and authority has been given to Jesus. We are given the name of Jesus so we have that power and authority. Those who love God and walk in obedience.

Philip. 2:10
    that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of those in heaven, and of those on earth, and of those under the earth,

Col. 3:17
    And whatever you do in word or deed, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God the Father through Him.




 



 




 
 
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Originally posted by Hector Medina
Some very major Catholic theologians think they get to be God! 

 

Not really.  Please back up statements like that from official Church documents.  We are supposed to IMITATE God, follow Jesus' example, and do what is right, but it is ludicrous to suggest Catholics believe they can become God.
 
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Dear all,

Orthodox theologians teach the doctrine of "divinization", which essentially states that humans can become like God, NOT God or Gods but that they so imitate the life of Christ that they have become beings, that if we saw them now we might be tempted to worship

Please note the following links:

http://home.nyc.rr.com/mysticalrose/grace3.html

http://www.orthodoxinfo.com/inquirers/frag_salv.htm

http://www.servantsnews.com/sn9805/s980501b.htm

http://www.bethel.edu/~rakrob/files/THEOSIS2.html
this one is interesting indeed, an Evangelical defence of Theosis

http://www.geocities.com/verseoftheday/theosis.html

These will help!

Kiwimac
 
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>>Some very major Catholic theologians think

Anyone want to talk about what the Bible says? Or do they just want to talk about what Catholics and theologians say? I have nothing against catholics or theologians, but why not go directly to the source. Why go through middle men.
 
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As a curiousity question....

Originally posted by Hector Medina
I`ve rescearched:

Good Morman husbands think they become God(thier wives become eternaly pregnent and produce sprit babies) when they go to heaven!

Some very major Catholic theologians think they get to be God! 

Where did you research this?  The internet?  Books?  Or a combination of both? 

And what would be the names of the books or locations of the internet sites where you found this information?

I think before you can ask anyone what they think on a subject, you need to tell them where you got the information so either they can look at it too (such as an internet site, or going to the library for a particular book).  :)
 
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okay here's some scripture:

Man was made a little lower than God

Psalms 8:5 -- You made him a little lower than God and crowned him with glory and honor.

Most Bibles translate this verse as "a little lower than the angels". But the Hebrew word here for "angels" is actually "elohiym" or "God".

The Psalmist goes on to say:

6 You made him ruler over the works of your hands; you put everything under his feet:
7 all flocks and herds, and the beasts of the field,
8 the birds of the air, and the fish of the sea, all that swim the paths of the seas."

The Psalmist is talking about Adam, the first man created directly by God. We see a similar account in Genesis.

Genesis 1:
28 God blessed them and said to them, "Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air and over every living creature that moves on the ground."
29 Then God said, "I give you every seed-bearing plant on the face of the whole earth and every tree that has fruit with seed in it. They will be yours for food.

Read the verses slowly and think about them. Imagine God saying these things to you.

It is not difficult to see that Adam was a god over the earth (of course, he wasn't God). He was crowned with glory and honour, and appointed ruler over God's creation. God put everything under Adam's feet. He was given authority to fill the earth and even to subdue it. He was given authority to rule over every living creature. He was given every plant and tree for food.

You are gods (small "g" though)

Believe it or not, the Bible does say that of believers!

Psalms 82:6 -- "I said, 'You are "gods"; you are all sons of the Most High.'

Again, the Hebrew word here for "gods" is "elohiym" or "God".

Are Christians "sons of the Most High" or children of God? Yes, so it follows that we are also "gods" according to this verse.

In the New Testament, Jesus himself quoted this verse when the Jews wanted to stone Him for claiming to be God:

John 10:
34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?
35 If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;
36 Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?

It is not very different today -- there are Christians who want to "stone" other Christians for claiming to be gods! The latter are simply honouring what Christ has done for them.

A better covenant

So far, we have only looked at the Old Testament. Christians are now under a superior New Covenant (Romans 5:15-19). This means that Christians have it better than Adam, that is, they are in a better position today than Adam.

How so? Adam was not seated in heavenly places with Christ Jesus, but Christians are!

Ephesians 2:6 -- And God raised us up with Christ and seated us with him in the heavenly realms in Christ Jesus,

So, if Christians today are in a better position than Adam (before he fell), doesnÕt that make them gods too?

King-priests

But if a Christian finds that powerful truth hard to swallow, he should at least believe that he is a king-priest in Christ Jesus, and start living like one.

1 Peter 2:9 -- But you are a chosen people, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people belonging to God, that you may declare the praises of him who called you out of darkness into his wonderful light.

Conclusion

Will believing that you are a god under the lordship of the Most High make you want to exalt yourself above God? I don't think so. The same wisdom in Paul's response to the question, "Should we sin that grace may abound?", will be applied here if you understand God's grace.

On the contrary, I believe that it would make you more appreciative of the sacrifice of Christ Jesus, which has brought you to such a blessed position. Also, this new revelation of your authority in Christ will make you want to go out and destroy the works of the devil, or run into hell with a watergun!
 
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I can backup the things Mormons claim:

After you become a good Mormon, you have the potential of becoming a god, Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, pages 345-347, 354.

There are many gods, Mormon Doctrine, p. 163.
 
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Hector Medina said:
Howdy,

Can you believe it!

I`ve rescearched:

Good Morman husbands think they become God(thier wives become eternaly pregnent and produce sprit babies) when they go to heaven!

Just one of many reasons to stay clear of Mormonism.

Just so you don't think I'm unfairly picking on Mormons, there are also alleged Christians, such as both Benny Hinn and Kenneth Copeland, who believe that we are "little gods".

But it really doesn't matter who teaches it, it's still a lie.
 
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AngelAmidala said:
As a curiousity question....



Where did you research this?  The internet?  Books?  Or a combination of both? 

And what would be the names of the books or locations of the internet sites where you found this information?

I think before you can ask anyone what they think on a subject, you need to tell them where you got the information so either they can look at it too (such as an internet site, or going to the library for a particular book).  :)


They can find it on any Mormon internet site, it is called "progression" or "exhaltation"

Reserved for observant mormon men .
 
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On the question of what catholics believe, I would suggest that you go to OBOB and address the catholic members of the site directly, they will be able to clear up the obvious confusion apparent in the first post.

We should be careful not to mischaracterise what people believe, I am certain that none of us particularly enjoy having our beliefs mischaracterised and as christians are we not to treat others as we ourselves would wish them to treat us?
 
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