Saved by faith alone?

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Miss Shelby

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Originally posted by LouisBooth
" I believe that it would entail a gradual hardening of one's heart due to unrepented sin"

this is the subject. I am in the process of eliminating the other posiblity, so its quite on topic.

okay, so its a gradual thing? Where do you see that scripturally? The gradual thing, I don't see it. If it is gradual, how long does it take? How much repentance is needed? I don't understand how it can be gradual at all. Either you repent or you don't. You're judus or you're a peter.

Louis--I started a thread in the Congregation forum entitled 'a better resurrection'---to discuss OSAS.  Thus far, no one has posted.  I will post the Scriptures that I believe support my view if you will discuss it with me there?  Please.  I promise I will be nice. :)

Just don't want to highjack franklin's thread.

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Originally posted by LouisBooth
"It doesn't appear that Jesus taught sola fide."

yeah he did...The book of matthew was written to a specific audience and thus is structured a different way. now if you want to look at what makes a sheep..lets check out what he says to John when he was SPECIFICALLY talking about salvation, not where he is discussing the end of time okay?

what saves you? BELIEF John 3:18 what condemns you? Not believing, same verse. Pretty easy to get :)

This passage is essential to understanding what Jesus ment when he spoke about salvation. Here we have a man specifically asking about salvation, and Christ answers him quite simply, "just believe."

You're turning this into a salvation discussion again.  And anyways, I seem to recall a certain Scripture in John that talks about abiding and remaining in Him.

Are you trying to tell me that the parable of the sheep and goats doesn't apply to us?

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Hello everyone, Greetings and blessing from our Father above and the Lord Jesus Christ.

I would just like for the world to stop and think about the true God of the bible, and ask yourself, have you ever really understood what faith is.&nbsp; We have the bible and yet we still don't understand what true faith is.&nbsp; In the book of Hebrews 11 if you would stop by that chapter and study it carefully and slowly you will learn what true faith in God is.&nbsp; And so no one is confused read the book of Gen.ch.6-9 it's before the Law of Moses so you won't have to deal with that point
 
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Originally posted by franklin


Hi angl, here is another one we can add to the list of saved by the alone and onlys: We are saved by acts of obedience (Philippians 2:12-13): "Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling. For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of [his] good pleasure." And (Hebrews 5:9): "And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him." Are we saved by acts of obedience only?&nbsp; These are not works of our own creation. They must be the works of God. The works that God requires of us to do is not a contradiction of the scripture as is so plainly defined by James and Paul.&nbsp;Works outside of Christ as you have described is appalling and I agree, however,&nbsp;as believers&nbsp;we might argue over just what is required, but we cannot argue that some act or acts of obedience are required (even if it is only faith). It is necessary for us to become familiar with the New Testament to determine just what these works are.&nbsp; Do I hear an amen out there?&nbsp;Can I get a witness? &nbsp; :)&nbsp;&nbsp;
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<IMG height=15 alt=Agree src="http://www.christianforums.com/images/icons/icon14.gif" width=15 align=middle>I'll say Amen to your post, you mentioned Heb 11, but I don't think their listening to you, the bible is clear about what true faith in God and what&nbsp;the Word requires.&nbsp; But the problem is that people must be untaught in order to be teachable, sense John Calvin taught this doctrine everyone will no longer let God be&nbsp;true and every man a liar.&nbsp; Somebody need to show us where the bible teaches that a man is&nbsp;saved&nbsp;by faith alone after Jesus went back to heaven.&nbsp; We can learn by example of scripture.&nbsp; The favorite text they use is Eph.2:8-9 and they forget about vs. 6 in the&nbsp;context, which says "And (He) hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus;"

One need's to find out where he raised us up from, and then and only then will one know what the grace of God is.&nbsp;


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"Are you trying to tell me that the parable of the sheep and goats doesn't apply to us? "

Yes, it does, but to the WORLD not exclusivly to us. The church has no goats, not the true church. You cannot loose your salvation.

Its faith alone, that's what historical christianity has always believed, and that's what I affirm.

If you look at John 3 christ talks about it very plainly. You have 2 births, not 3, 4, etc..just 2. One physical and one spiritual. that's it. YOu don't have anymore. Once you are truely a christian, there is no going back. That's what the bible says.

Romans 11 says it clearly in verse 29 "for God's gifts are irrevocable." You can't turn away once you become a christian.
 
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Originally posted by LouisBooth
Nope, I'm a night owl, you where right Miss. Yes, tha is what I believe mr the bible is right.

LOL..I'm sorry Louis, I shoudn't have spoken for you.&nbsp; It's just that I've noticed you aren't here much during the day. :)

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Originally posted by PrinceJeff
Miss Shelby,

We can forfeit it, i.e.: reject it, throw it away, and so on, but can we actually lose it say if I were to curse before running into a tree and being pinned, cannot open my mouth to utter a prayer seeking forgiveness?

I'm not exactly sure what you're saying, Jeff.&nbsp;&nbsp; God would never take it away... we would have to reject it.&nbsp;And by rejecting it, we would have to be&nbsp;in a horrid unrepentant state.&nbsp; In&nbsp;James it talks about&nbsp;being dragged away and enticed by sin and then in leads to death . I don't think that happens once.&nbsp;&nbsp;I think that&nbsp;happens&nbsp;after continued unrepented sin.

&nbsp; But if you commit a sin right before death I don't think that you lose salvation if you have been repentant all along.

Michelle
 
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Ahh thanks for clarification. :)

I am of OSAS persuasion, but I also keep in mind where Paul says, "Should I sin so that grace would abound? Heaven forbid!" and also, "Faith without works is dead." I am not a person who would sit idly by and let those around me rot in sin. I will show my faith by my works. :)
 
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