To be or not to be.....godlike...

StoryPort · Jan 29, 2007

Thesis:

As we deny ourselves and take up His cross, as we depart from self-divinity, we become more divine, more like God.

True or False?

How are we like God? How are we not like God? Explain?

OneOfTheMany · Jan 29, 2007

StoryPort said:
Thesis:

As we deny ourselves and take up His cross, as we depart from self-divinity, we become more divine, more like God.

True or False?

How are we like God? How are we not like God? Explain?

I'm sure everyone will have their own views on this..

I don't think any human can become God-like, in any sense of the word.

What we can do, is realize that this life is merely a test to see who will believe and who will not.

If you make the choice to believe, you then must realize that it is better to go left than to go right. Many ""Christians"" are conservative(right), but left is the path to true love, true acceptance, and true understanding.

I think this is all we can do.

StoryPort · Jan 29, 2007

But are we not made in the image of God? And are we not, if saved, the sons of God? And are we not to pursue Christ's life as a model for our own, and become like Him, godlike?

white dove · Jan 29, 2007

StoryPort said:
Thesis:

As we deny ourselves and take up His cross, as we depart from self-divinity, we become more divine, more like God.

True or False?

How are we like God? How are we not like God? Explain?

Just as we are given the Spirit, we are given strength, wisdom and discernment to overcome. Just as we are given mercy, grace and love through Christ Jesus, we are given those things to share with the world.

I do not believe that we are essentially the Divine insomuch that we ARE God, ourselves. To suggest that would perhaps broach on blasphemy as we are still subject to sin, whereas God cannot be in the presence of sin.

We die to ourselves daily as we continue on our journey, not losing ourselves, but rather gaining the true identity we have in Christ Jesus, gaining in the life He had intended for us.

Just my thoughts. :wave:

white dove · Jan 29, 2007

StoryPort said:
But are we not made in the image of God? And are we not, if saved, the sons of God? And are we not to pursue Christ's life as a model for our own, and become like Him, godlike?

I believe that we ought to strive to be Christlike in our attitudes, actions and thoughts in this world. However, as I've stated before, we are still subject to sinning as we are still a fallen race. We may pray for intercession, stength and redemption from sin, but we cannot become saved and say, "Hey, I'm never going to sin again. WEEE!" It just doesn't work that way.

Look at David. A man after God's own heart. No one else in the Bible is spoken of as David was (not to say he was Divine or anything). But, even as this man was spoken so highly of, he still sinned. He still fell. He still made mistakes....but repented, got back up and started again with following the Lord's calling on his life.

Gwenyfur · Jan 29, 2007

Show His love and grace to others...so they can see His love shining through your eyes and actions...

MooCow · Jan 29, 2007

NO, we SHOULD NOT legislate divorces being illegal.

Keep a straight face and tell me that a wife and her children being abused by an alcoholic husband should be FORCED by the government to endure fresh beatings every night when they come home.

*BUZZER* WRONG!!!!!!!!!!!!!

StoryPort · Jan 29, 2007

OneOfTheMany said:
I'm sure everyone will have their own views on this. I don't think any human can become God-like, in any sense of the word.

In any sense? What of Union with Christ? Do we not have a mystical fellowship with Him because of His 1. Incarnation i.e. becoming one of us; and 2. That we share in the fellowship of His sufferings? Are we not called to be perfect as God is perfect, to be a servant like the master, and Holy as God is holy?

MooCow · Jan 29, 2007

StoryPort said:
In any sense? What of Union with Christ? Do we not have a mystical fellowship with Him because of His 1. Incarnation i.e. becoming one of us; and 2. That we share in the fellowship of His sufferings? Are we not called to be perfect as God is perfect, to be a servant like the master, and Holy as God is holy?

I think what OneOfTheMany means is that no human will ever reflect the utter perfection of Jesus. It is our human nature to err and fall short of God's grace.

To be 100% like God is to be 100% Jesus, and NO HUMAN can accomplish that.

Gwenyfur · Jan 29, 2007

BlazerSax said:
NO, we SHOULD NOT legislate divorces being illegal.

Keep a straight face and tell me that a wife and her children being abused by an alcoholic husband should be FORCED by the government to endure fresh beatings every night when they come home.

*BUZZER* WRONG!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I agree with this one...

LightDancer · Jan 29, 2007

I do not believe in this theosis that we are to be like God.

The Bible says several times NO ONE knows the mind of God, BUT we have the mind of Christ.

I think the use of the wording and this "theology" we are to be like God is blasphemy also. :angel:

Mary of Bethany · Jan 29, 2007

StoryPort said:
Thesis:

As we deny ourselves and take up His cross, as we depart from self-divinity, we become more divine, more like God.

True or False?

How are we like God? How are we not like God? Explain?

Yes we are to be godlike. The very point of salvation is to become like Christ. That is what theosis is. Does it mean we become God in any way? No. Only God is God, and we are not. We can never share in the "essence" of God. He does however, let us share in His "energies" (grace, iow) in order to unite us to Him. By His grace, He draws us closer to Him, now and for all eternity.

Mary

silouanathonite · Jan 29, 2007

Mary of Bethany said:
Yes we are to be godlike. The very point of salvation is to become like Christ. That is what theosis is. Does it mean we become God in any way? No. Only God is God, and we are not. We can never share in the "essence" of God. He does however, let us share in His "energies" (grace, iow) in order to unite us to Him. By His grace, He draws us closer to Him, now and for all eternity.

Mary

Ditto!

StoryPort · Jan 29, 2007

Mary of Bethany said:
Yes we are to be godlike. The very point of salvation is to become like Christ. That is what theosis is. Does it mean we become God in any way? No. Only God is God, and we are not. We can never share in the "essence" of God. He does however, let us share in His "energies" (grace, iow) in order to unite us to Him. By His grace, He draws us closer to Him, now and for all eternity.

Mary

Very well said. As I understand it, Satan whispered the lie of omnipotence and omniscience into Eve's ear. "God knows that you will be like Him, knowing good and evil." That is; that they would be His co-equals, standing shoulder to shoulder with Him, presuming to have all knowledge and discretion of what is right and what is wrong. Being the arbitors and gods of their own little universe. But this is a great error. Adam and Eve were made in the likeness, the image of God. As a portrait is to a landscape, a reflection, an image, a painting, a likeness, so we are the likeness of God. God did not give His likeness to the animals, they were made from earth purely. But man has the incredible likeness of God. That likeness includes two things. Spiritual Elements: The imagination, the will, the heart, the mind, the soul, and the spirit, and 2: and the character. At the fall, godly character was lost in attempting to put on the incomprehensible attributes of God, all power, all knowledge, all wisdom, infiniteness in being. To be God is blasphemy. To emulate His character, is this blasphemy?

christianmomof3 · Jan 29, 2007

I believe that as the Lord transforms us into His image day by day, we are being filled with more and more of His life and nature, but not of His godhead- His authority.
Just as my children grow to be more and more like me and they are of my blood, my species, my family, my children, we are God's children.
But, just as my children will never become me, their mother and be their own parent, we will never become God in His godhead. We are the Body, and Christ is the head and all authority resides in the head.
We will, as He grows in us and transforms us into His image, display more and more of His virtues and His love.

StoryPort · Jan 29, 2007

LightDancer said:
...The Bible says several times NO ONE knows the mind of God, BUT we have the mind of Christ.

Isn't this the point? We are not God, but we have the mind of Christ. That is, we put on His righteousness freely given us in salvation and we seek to live as He would, to love, to bless others, to give, to pour out our lives for others, to be transformed into the image of His dear Son? So as He become flesh, one of us, creating a union of fellowship with Him and the Father, don't we as children seek to be like Him? LightDancer, what is the Fall of Man? And what is the Salvation of Man? What say you LightDancer? :crossrc:

OneOfTheMany · Jan 29, 2007

BlazerSax said:
I think what OneOfTheMany means is that no human will ever reflect the utter perfection of Jesus. It is our human nature to err and fall short of God's grace.

To be 100% like God is to be 100% Jesus, and NO HUMAN can accomplish that.

Yep.

God is completely good. We do what we can.

OneOfTheMany · Jan 29, 2007

Mary of Bethany said:
Yes we are to be godlike. The very point of salvation is to become like Christ. That is what theosis is. Does it mean we become God in any way? No. Only God is God, and we are not. We can never share in the "essence" of God. He does however, let us share in His "energies" (grace, iow) in order to unite us to Him. By His grace, He draws us closer to Him, now and for all eternity.

Mary

I think the very point of salvation is salvation. Getting saved.

Mary of Bethany · Jan 29, 2007

OneOfTheMany said:
I think the very point of salvation is salvation. Getting saved.

But "getting saved" is just the starting point.

Mary

OneOfTheMany · Jan 29, 2007

Mary of Bethany said:
But "getting saved" is just the starting point.

Mary

You said the very point of salvation is to be like Christ. That is what I responded to.

Christ serves as a role model.

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