If we evolved, why do we procreate?

Do you think evolution helps procreation?

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Without a telos there is actually no standard for a living creature to fulfil, no potential to reach. A telos is important to giving structure and direction to a living creature. Perhaps that is why evolutionists, although not compelled to, often describe evolution as having the purpose of "selfishly" perpetuating the genetic structure of any given organism in question.

Unfortunately, if we do take the purpose of evolution to see a given organism perpetuate its genes, two central problems arise. First, even if perpetuation is the purpose of evolution why should that perpetuate any particular organism: to perpetuate oneself is an insufficient grounds to be motivated (it only relates to one small aspect of life).

Second of the two problems that arise if evolution is supposed to give the purpose of perpetuation is how evolution is supposed to perpetuate a given organism. It is all very well to tout evolution as some phallic progentitor of procreation, but short of being an excuse to sing very well the lines "let's do it like they do on the discovery channel" what actual appeal does evolution give one who believes in it? On purely evolutionary grounds evolution itself lacks the appeal and therefore the justification it needs to survive...

These two problems compound with all the other problems associated with evolution: being unable to remember having evolved, no one choosing to evolve clones from parents and parents not reappearing as descendents despite terrific "evolutionary" advantages. In all the picture does not look good for evolution and the vast gaping whole of meaning left unaddressed can only be overcome through God.
 

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Sorry, I blacked out halfway through the OP.

If I get the jist of it right, it's something along the lines of "evolution doesn't meet my philosophical expectations/emotional desires, therefore evolution is wrong", correct?
 
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We need a rolly eye smiley. I'd go find one on google but I cant be bothered to waste anymore time.

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just happened to have this one handy
 
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It is all very well to tout evolution as some phallic progentitor of procreation, but short of being an excuse to sing very well the lines "let's do it like they do on the discovery channel" what actual appeal does evolution give one who believes in it? On purely evolutionary grounds evolution itself lacks the appeal and therefore the justification it needs to survive...
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Appeal?
What ridiculous argument is that?
Quite personally, the scientific theories of Gravity dont appeal to me. Free-floating in my front room sounds much more "appealing". Does this invalidate the "justification" of gravity?

I dont think so.

Your arguments are getting more desperate every day
 
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I will attempt to give a serious resopnse to the OP as painful as it was to get through.
Correct me if i am wrong but the gist of it is the question of what motivates individuals to procreate. The answer is quite simple and while it doesnt require animals to watch discovery channel if you watched discovery channel more you might understand this concept: instinct. This instinct probably takes different forms in different animals but over all it's little different from what motivates people to procreate. The sexual drive comes from the release of chemicals in the body, in most animals there is an element of time release while in humans the release is largely due to stimulus of some kind, since we don't have a mating season.
Of course evolution and procreation arent things the animals are necessarily aware of, but humans were having sex long before we were aware of evolution. And it is the act of procreation itself that drives evolution, by combining the genes of two individuals through a process that, when a mistake is made, leads to new genes that just may improve the ability of the individual to survive and procreate. So there it is the why and how of procreation.
 
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Without a telos there is actually no standard for a living creature to fulfil, no potential to reach. A telos is important to giving structure and direction to a living creature. Perhaps that is why evolutionists, although not compelled to, often describe evolution as having the purpose of "selfishly" perpetuating the genetic structure of any given organism in question.

Unfortunately, if we do take the purpose of evolution to see a given organism perpetuate its genes, two central problems arise. First, even if perpetuation is the purpose of evolution why should that perpetuate any particular organism: to perpetuate oneself is an insufficient grounds to be motivated (it only relates to one small aspect of life).

Second of the two problems that arise if evolution is supposed to give the purpose of perpetuation is how evolution is supposed to perpetuate a given organism. It is all very well to tout evolution as some phallic progentitor of procreation, but short of being an excuse to sing very well the lines "let's do it like they do on the discovery channel" what actual appeal does evolution give one who believes in it? On purely evolutionary grounds evolution itself lacks the appeal and therefore the justification it needs to survive...

These two problems compound with all the other problems associated with evolution: being unable to remember having evolved, no one choosing to evolve clones from parents and parents not reappearing as descendents despite terrific "evolutionary" advantages. In all the picture does not look good for evolution and the vast gaping whole of meaning left unaddressed can only be overcome through God.

You are most certainly correct. Please note that in my thread "If I evolved from slime, why can't I remember what I ate for breakfast this morning" (http://www.christianforums.com/t461...er-what-i-ate-for-breakfast-this-morning.html) no evo has been able to respond to the question I asked in the OP. It is all a myth.
 
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Without a telos there is actually no standard for a living creature to fulfil, no potential to reach. A telos is important to giving structure and direction to a living creature. Perhaps that is why evolutionists, although not compelled to, often describe evolution as having the purpose of "selfishly" perpetuating the genetic structure of any given organism in question.

Unfortunately, if we do take the purpose of evolution to see a given organism perpetuate its genes, two central problems arise. First, even if perpetuation is the purpose of evolution why should that perpetuate any particular organism: to perpetuate oneself is an insufficient grounds to be motivated (it only relates to one small aspect of life).

Second of the two problems that arise if evolution is supposed to give the purpose of perpetuation is how evolution is supposed to perpetuate a given organism. It is all very well to tout evolution as some phallic progentitor of procreation, but short of being an excuse to sing very well the lines "let's do it like they do on the discovery channel" what actual appeal does evolution give one who believes in it? On purely evolutionary grounds evolution itself lacks the appeal and therefore the justification it needs to survive...

These two problems compound with all the other problems associated with evolution: being unable to remember having evolved, no one choosing to evolve clones from parents and parents not reappearing as descendents despite terrific "evolutionary" advantages. In all the picture does not look good for evolution and the vast gaping whole of meaning left unaddressed can only be overcome through God.
You see those animals that procreate more often pass down their genes, including the procreation drive, more than animals without a procreation drive. So, animals that have more babies, have more babies that have more babies than those animals which do not have lots of babies.
 
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You see those animals that procreate more often pass down their genes, including the procreation drive, more than animals without a procreation drive. So, animals that have more babies, have more babies that have more babies than those animals which do not have lots of babies.
Lots of babies isn't a recipe for survival. Lots of babies that survive to procreate is.
 
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It's easy - our entire purpose in life IS to procreate. Philosophy and Religion are Man's attempt at justifying existence.

When someone asks me "What is the meaning of life?" my answer is indefinitely "To be born, procreate, then die and hope our children procreate as well."
 
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