Comprehensive debunking of Aryan Invasion theory.

The conclusion you've drawn doesn't seem to logically follow from the facts. I have demonstrated that many racists portray other races as inferior by denying common ancestry. The Aryan Invasion Theory does precisely the opposite.

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On the contrary, it portrays it as inferior to an even larger extent. In their eyes, you have the mighty white race (you yourself have seen their description of the event from their page - "march of the white race") subjugating and defeating its inferior darker-skinned counterparts.

In the cases where they deny common ancestry as you say, they generally lack the 'historical proof' for their superiority over these races. But look, here you have the perfect example (for them) of the white race defeating a dark one and imposing their so-called superior culture.

If you want to experience their view first-hand, just go to the stormfront forum and read their topics on India and Indian culture.

indianx said:

On the contrary, it portrays it as inferior to an even larger extent. In their eyes, you have the mighty white race (you yourself have seen their description of the event from their page - "march of the white race") subjugating and defeating its inferior darker-skinned counterparts.

In the cases where they deny common ancestry as you say, they generally lack the 'historical proof' for their superiority over these races. But look, here you have the perfect example (for them) of the white race defeating a dark one and imposing their so-called superior culture.

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This is true, but there's one part of the invasion theory that lacks the typical racist characteristic. After defeating and subjugating the local Indian people, the Aryans mix with and have children by them. In virtually all racist ideologies, procreation with lower races is considered to be the cardinal sin, because it produces "half-breeds." In the end, the Aryan Invasion Theory purports that modern Indians (i.e. you and me) are descended from the Aryans. If racists don't like us, then the last thing they would do is confer the honor of white blood upon us. Therefore I would come to one of two conclusions: either racists have some sort of infatuation with the Indian people, or they have nothing to do with the Aryian Invasion Theory.

indianx said:

If you want to experience their view first-hand, just go to the stormfront forum and read their topics on India and Indian culture.

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Do I have to defile my web browser?

Seriously though, I am interested to see what racists think about us. Do you have any links to specific threads on their forum? And if so, could you PM them to me? I'm asking because posting links to racist websites is (rightly) prohibited by the forum rules.

In virtually all racist ideologies, procreation with lower races is considered to be the cardinal sin, because it produces "half-breeds." In the end, the Aryan Invasion Theory purports that modern Indians (i.e. you and me) are descended from the Aryans.

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What makes you think they respect the "half-breeds"? As some poor guided soul stated in their forum: " The Vedic religions were our cousins. Their bastard children today, not as much." That's what it comes out to in the end. Through AIT, they percieve Vedic culture as their own. That is why you see such growing opposition from Hindu groups to the theory, because here you have our religion, what we consider to be the dharma, being twisted and perverted into some tool for their propaganda. Now, that in itself is only a small aspect of what motivates us.

I think the validity of AIT should not be determined by either of these groups. It should be determined in the labs, through genetic studies and of course, we're starting to have some interest from those fields in the theory, from scientists like Dr. Oppenheimer. But, we still have a long way to go before we can reach a consensus.

Take a look at this: http://www.bradshawfoundation.com/stephenoppenheimer/

indianx said:

What makes you think they respect the "half-breeds"? As some poor guided soul stated in their forum: " The Vedic religions were our cousins. Their bastard children today, not as much." That's what it comes out to in the end. Through AIT, they percieve Vedic culture as their own. That is why you see such growing opposition from Hindu groups to the theory, because here you have our religion, what we consider to be the dharma, being twisted and perverted into some tool for their propaganda. Now, that in itself is only a small aspect of what motivates us.

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Actually, this makes a fair amount of sense. White supremacists also attach themselves quite strongly to the culture of the ancient Israelites. In the same breath, they detest modern Jews. It makese sense, therefore, that they would do the same with the Vedic religion.

indianx said:

I think the validity of AIT should not be determined by either of these groups. It should be determined in the labs, through genetic studies and of course, we're starting to have some interest from those fields in the theory, from scientists like Dr. Oppenheimer. But, we still have a long way to go before we can reach a consensus.

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I agree completely. The validity of the theory should be confirmed or denied by scientific means, and without regard to anyone's religious beliefs.

srev2004 said:

arya = noble in sanskrit. Being noble, means ur an aryan. Not a foreign invader which the British Indologists would want us to believe.

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Hmmmmm. Well the British have no right to say anything since their subtle invasions were considered either colonization or formal occupation or whatever you want to call it.

So the Aryan nation has nothing to do with white skin? You do have to admit though, most Indians desire fair skin and colored eyes because it is a false sign of superiority. I am not making any inuendos, but it was just a thought.

Anyway bro, if it does not denote invasion, isn't it a coincidence that Hitler misused the Aryan ideology for his own selfish reasons such as simply a pretext to invade other countries? Don't get me wrong though, I am only talking freely, for I have no knowledge of what the true meaning is revolving "Aryan". All I know is that I am supposedly a Dravidian, and my skin is white, so therefore I really do not know what is going on especially since my Indian friends have told me that the original Aryans were white.

Do you know they did a study on TV about Atlantis and the pyramids of Egypt in relation to some Aryan conspiriacy. It was interesting, but who knows what happened in history. Only the Spirit of God will reveal such things.

Peace.

most Indians desire fair skin and colored eyes because it is a false sign of superiority.

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Now, before I say this, I will say that I'm not blaming or accusing the British of anything for the sake of doing so.

When you have a country colonized for nearly four hundred years, when you have one group of people holding nearly all the power and another holding nearly none with the only difference between the two being that the one holding the power is lighter than the one holding none, power and success becomes connected to that skin colour or rather, that skin colour is seen as the standard for power, and this is what begins to happen.

Frantz Fanon, the African-French psychiatrist, noted this behavior in his book, Black Skin, White Masks. He observed people, black people from Martinique, going to France and then when they came back, they would suddenly start dressing like the French and start speaking with their accent. I think this is similar in many ways.

arunma said:

I see. Well, personally I don't have any strong opinion on the Aryan Invasion Theory. Science tells us that all humans have evolved from our ancestors in Africa, and the Bible makes the theological proclamation that God created the human race from one man.

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I always thought too that the first humans originated in Africa, but I think they have found skeletal remains dating far back in other areas of the world. I may be wrong though.

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Either way, common ancestry really nullifies the notion of a culture that is purely Indian, European, etc. All I would ask is that all research on the issue be judged by proper scientific standards, and not according to unsubstantiated religious belief.

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Yeah but brother how is science going to prove anything? It really has not so far, right? Do you know about that article in national geographic regarding some chromosone study? I forgot what it was about, but I thought they did come to inference who the frst humans were.

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I am, however, very interested in how a racist would interpret the origin of Indian civilization. Western racists, I have noticed, do not hate all races equally, but seem to particularly despise Africans, Jews, and a few other select groups. Why they hold this particular grudge, I do not know. But they go so far as to deny the common ancestry of all men. Racists who are persuaded by Christianity claim that Jews are descended not from Adam and Eve, but from a union between Eve and Satan. Racists who prefer a scientific rationale suggest that Africans, Jews, and other detested races are at a lower point of evolution than other human beings. Either way, racists deny the intrinsic humanity of those that they hate.

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Do you really think Adam and Eve were Jews? If that is the case, we all must be Jews, right?

arunma said:

But now we must consider the Aryan Invasion Theory. Racists identify with the Aryans. And according to fundamentalist Hindus, this theory was promulgated by racists. Therefore I am compelled to question what motivation a racist would have to identify his own race with the ancient people of India. Assuming that the fundamentalist Hindus are correct, this leads me to believe that perhaps white supremacists have some infatuation with the Indian people. I'm not sure whether to feel cautiously flattered, or utterly revolted (though the latter is probably more appropriate). In any case, I am curious to know how the Aryan Invasion Theory would affect the white supremacists' hateful agenda.

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I really do not know if white supremists even think that Aryans come from India. In fact they are so ignorant that they just want to hate. They do pretty much worship Hitler, but they are ignorant tof the fact that Hitler sent German delegates to interview Buddhist monks to see if they have Aryan race in them. I don't know man, this all seems kind of wierd.

Peace bro.

Czach8 said:

Do you know they did a study on TV about Atlantis and the pyramids of Egypt in relation to some Aryan conspiriacy. It was interesting, but who knows what happened in history. Only the Spirit of God will reveal such things.

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I heard another conspiracy theory. Apparently, the pyramids of Egypt were built by an ancient race of aliens that used them as landing sites for their spacecraft. These aliens portrayed themselves as gods, and enslaved humans. By means of a device called the Stargate, they sent humans to countless worlds throughout the galaxy. Recently the United States Air Force has unearthed the Stargate, and is using it to conduct missions on other planets. They have even discovered the location of the lost city of Atlantis (which, as it turns out, is located in a distant galaxy), and have sent an international team of explorers through the Stargate to visit this city and return with whatever technology they can find. And all of this is unknown to the general public.

I'm sorry, I just couldn't resist...

srev2004 said:

Of they two pages they teach about India, Aryan Invasion and Caste system make up 1.5 pages. The other half page will be about how Buddhism is better than Hinduism. That is the standard format of any world studies book in US curriculum.

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4 years of majoring in International Relations and I don't recall ever seeing a "world studies" class.

Is that college or high school?
If high school then do they follow Texas, California, or some other standard for which texts to use?
If college, then where? I've yet to meet a single person from another college who uses any of the same books I do, even for the same classes. Even for things as standardized as and hard to debate as Calculus.

The only class I had where comparative religion came up was, oddly an intro to philosophy class, where the author of the text book implied that hinduism, African folklore and buddhism were all better, more insightful, and more relevant than any work of secular philosophy(always thught that was odd for a philosophy course ).

indianx said:

Now, before I say this, I will say that I'm not blaming or accusing the British of anything for the sake of doing so.

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I am not blaming them either, for I was only supporting brother srev's claim that British used the "Aryan invasion theory" as a method to subjugate India.

indianx said:

When you have a country colonized for nearly four hundred years, when you have one group of people holding nearly all the power and another holding nearly none with the only difference between the two being that the one holding the power is lighter than the one holding none, power and success becomes connected to that skin colour or rather, that skin colour is seen as the standard for power, and this is what begins to happen.

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I have read the Upanashads and Bhgagvad Gita, and their is no mention of Aryan race. However, some have claimed that in the Vedas, there is a superior quality to white skin preferred over dark. Again, I have not studied the Vedas as of what, so I don't know who is speaking truth or falsehood. Brother, can you enlighten me please?

God bless.

arunma said:

I heard another conspiracy theory. Apparently, the pyramids of Egypt were built by an ancient race of aliens that used them as landing sites for their spacecraft. These aliens portrayed themselves as gods, and enslaved humans. By means of a device called the Stargate, they sent humans to countless worlds throughout the galaxy. Recently the United States Air Force has unearthed the Stargate, and is using it to conduct missions on other planets. They have even discovered the location of the lost city of Atlantis (which, as it turns out, is located in a distant galaxy), and have sent an international team of explorers through the Stargate to visit this city and return with whatever technology they can find. And all of this is unknown to the general public.

I'm sorry, I just couldn't resist...

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Well brother, apparently me and you do have something in common because I can't resist either.

Yeah man, it was interesting to watch that one show. However, do you believe there was actually an Atlantis. I was reading Plato's "Timaneus", and he was specifically writting about Atlantis. He did say Atlantis was a advanced civilzation that was destroyed by a world flood.

Wait a minute though. They actually said they found Atlantis in a far distant galaxy. Now how is that
possible brother? You're not pulling my leg now?

Peace bro.

indianx said:

If you want to experience their view first-hand, just go to the stormfront forum and read their topics on India and Indian culture.

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WHAT THE DEVIL AM I READING???

Oh.
My.
Gosh.
Becky.

Indianx, I'd also like to take you up on the link request, if that's okay with you?

arunma said:

I heard another conspiracy theory. Apparently, the pyramids of Egypt were built by an ancient race of aliens that used them as landing sites for their spacecraft. These aliens portrayed themselves as gods, and enslaved humans. By means of a device called the Stargate, they sent humans to countless worlds throughout the galaxy. Recently the United States Air Force has unearthed the Stargate, and is using it to conduct missions on other planets. They have even discovered the location of the lost city of Atlantis (which, as it turns out, is located in a distant galaxy), and have sent an international team of explorers through the Stargate to visit this city and return with whatever technology they can find. And all of this is unknown to the general public.

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My goodness, with the Stargate...weirdo.

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czach8 said:

Well brother, apparently me and you do have something in common because I can't resist either.

Yeah man, it was interesting to watch that one show. However, do you believe there was actually an Atlantis. I was reading Plato's "Timaneus", and he was specifically writting about Atlantis. He did say Atlantis was a advanced civilzation that was destroyed by a world flood.

Wait a minute though. They actually said they found Atlantis in a far distant galaxy. Now how is that
possible brother? You're not pulling my leg now?

Peace bro.

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Must...resist...talking about Stargate.

Nope, can't do it. So here's the deal. In the first episode of Atlantis, you find out that about 150 million years ago, the Ancients lived in a city in Antarctica. Since their race was dying of a plague, they made their city fly, and relocated it on a planet in the Pegasus Galaxy. But about 10,000 years ago, they were under attack by another enemy in that galaxy, so they submerged their city and used the Stargate to return to earth. Those who returned spread stories about the city of Atlantis, which eventually got picked up by the Greeks, and turned into myths.

OK, at the expense of derailing this thread, I think I've gotten my sci-fi fix. But that's the general premise of the plot, and why one wuld find Atlantis in another galaxy. Now as to the writings of Plato, I've also read this philosopher. It is true that he is somewhat specific in his details about Atlantis. Then again, many Greek authors give specific details about various mythological characters. Since this is generally not considered grounds for considering the myths to be historical, there is not yet sufficient evidence to believe in the existence of the city of Atlantis as Plato might have envisioned it.

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Must...resist...talking about Stargate. Nope, can't do it.

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He he he he.

arunma said:

So here's the deal. In the first episode of Atlantis, you find out that about 150 million years ago, the Ancients lived in a city in Antarctica.

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What do you mean by first episode? Where are you getting all this info? I ask because the bits and peices of the program I saw on TV interviewed archeologists who claimed they have found the city under antartica, but they are not revealing the exact location. Hey your a scientist, right?. Check this out. Now like you said there was supposedly an Atlantis at antartica, and at some time the poles shifted which means antartica was at the south pole. Did that bring about disaster for Atlantis? The question I have is what is the scientific explanation for poles to shift in the first place?

arunma said:

Since their race was dying of a plague, they made their city fly, and relocated it on a planet in the Pegasus Galaxy. But about 10,000 years ago, they were under attack by another enemy in that galaxy, so they submerged their city and used the Stargate to return to earth. Those who returned spread stories about the city of Atlantis, which eventually got picked up by the Greeks, and turned into myths.

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Yeah bro, but how is that possible. I admit technology is moving at fast rate, but can it ever go that far. Did you hear about the UFO sighting at O'Hare. I sometimes wonder.

arunma said:

OK, at the expense of derailing this thread, I think I've gotten my sci-fi fix. But that's the general premise of the plot, and why one wuld find Atlantis in another galaxy. Now as to the writings of Plato, I've also read this philosopher. It is true that he is somewhat specific in his details about Atlantis. Then again, many Greek authors give specific details about various mythological characters. Since this is generally not considered grounds for considering the myths to be historical, there is not yet sufficient evidence to believe in the existence of the city of Atlantis as Plato might have envisioned it.

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Well too many wierd things mentioned in history: Greek flood story, mens looking like giants in genesis, spacecraft mentioned in Vedas(don't know if that it's true though), UFO objects in Rennaisance paintings, Elijah carried up to heaven in a mettalic object, Egyptian pyramids, Mayan calendars, stonehedge, etc, etc, etc. It just makes me wonder bro. The universe is too big, but too little at the same time.

God bless.

Czach, he's just kidding.

indianx said:

Czach, he's just kidding.

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Oh dear, I wasn't unclear, was I?

Czach, just to clarify, we're talking about a fictional television show. And we're way off topic by now.

arunma said:

Oh dear, I wasn't unclear, was I?

Czach, just to clarify, we're talking about a fictional television show. And we're way off topic by now.

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That's why I asked you if you were pulling my leg in a previous post. Anyway, to go back on topic, the documentary I was watching claims there was some connection between Aryans and invasion, and again what the bible says, what Plato said, what Egyptians said, what Mayans revealed, what the Vedas say, what Zoarastrians say, and so on and so forth purports that maybe there is some invasion going on, not that I am saying it is something forceful, but just something mysterious.

Peace.