The 2nd Coming of Christ ???

franklin · Aug 19, 2002

Did you know that the phrase the second coming of Christ does not appear anywhere in scripture? Nor the phrase second coming? Does this surprise you? Additionally, you will not find the idea of a physical second coming of Christ, or the literal return of Christ, taught anywhere in scripture. When searching out the truth given to us in Scripture, we must use Scripture to interpret Scripture.

Some of the phrases construed to denote His "return" that are used in the New Testament books are:

"the coming of the Lord,"
"the day of the Lord,"
"the sign of Thy coming,"
"the day of Christ is at hand,"
"the Son of man coming in the clouds,"
as well as other similar expressions. All of these phrases refer to the same event. To understand what event these phrases refer to, we must go to Scripture, and not to the pre-conceived ideas and teachings of "theological" philosophy and "end times" merchandisers.

Chris†opher Paul · Aug 19, 2002

Ok, so go on and tell us then...

/waiting in anticipation...

Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. (2Peter 1:20)

Which is exactly why you shouldn't interpret personally, rather, rely on the Church.

drmmjr · Aug 19, 2002

We read in Matthew 24 about the signs preceeding the coming of the Son of man (Jesus). Now since Jesus was here when he spoke of these things, then this coming that would be in the future will be his "second" coming.

And I'm not sure how you can say there won't be a "literal" return of Christ. Again, looking at Matthew 24 as an example, it speaks of this coming of the Son of man to gather his elect.

Brian45 · Aug 19, 2002

Originally posted by franklin
Did you know that the phrase the second coming of Christ does not appear anywhere in scripture? Nor the phrase second coming? Does this surprise you? Additionally, you will not find the idea of a physical second coming of Christ, or the literal return of Christ, taught anywhere in scripture. When searching out the truth given to us in Scripture, we must use Scripture to interpret Scripture.

Some of the phrases construed to denote His "return" that are used in the New Testament books are:

"the coming of the Lord,"
"the day of the Lord,"
"the sign of Thy coming,"
"the day of Christ is at hand,"
"the Son of man coming in the clouds,"
as well as other similar expressions. All of these phrases refer to the same event. To understand what event these phrases refer to, we must go to Scripture, and not to the pre-conceived ideas and teachings of "theological" philosophy and "end times" merchandisers.

 

You forgot one franklin , and there are many more  .

 

Acts 1
<SUP>10</SUP>And while they looked steadfastly toward heaven as He went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel,<SUP> 11</SUP>who also said, "Men of Galilee, why do you stand gazing up into heaven? This same Jesus, who was taken up from you into heaven, will so come in like manner as you saw Him go into heaven."

franklin · Aug 19, 2002

Originally posted by s0uljah
Ok, so go on and tell us then... waiting in anticipation...
Which is exactly why you shouldn't interpret personally, rather, rely on the Church.

 

souljah, I don't rely on the church for interpretation, I rely on the scripture, sola scriptura, not private interpretation.  What does inspiration mean to you souljah? 

 

Chris†opher Paul · Aug 19, 2002

Originally posted by franklin
 

souljah, I don't rely on the church for interpretation, I rely on the scripture, sola scriptura, not private interpretation.  What does inspiration mean to you souljah? 

 

What if we are inspired differently?  What if we both come up with our own meanings?  Scripture will tell us whom the right one is, then?  So, it comes down to the sheer volume of scripture that supports either side?

franklin · Aug 19, 2002

   Originally posted by s0uljah
What if we are inspired differently?  What if we both come up with our own meanings? 

souljah, I'm not referring to OUR inspiration, I'm talking about God's word and the men that God inspired to write His word. 

  Scripture will tell us whom the right one is, then?  So, it comes down to the sheer volume of scripture that supports either side? [/B]

Scripture tells us that Jesus was right and that everything He predicted came to it's fulfillment in the generation of those He spoke to. So, we have a choice. We must believe that the Word of God (inspiration) is Truth and Jesus came when He said He would, or we must believe the teachings of men's philosophy is truth and Jesus will physically return sometime in the future. Both cannot be true. And if scripture is wrong about the timing of Christ's coming, what other parts of scripture are wrong and untrue?

Chris†opher Paul · Aug 19, 2002

You think scripture supports the idea that Christ is not returning? Show me where He says He is not coming back.

Smilin · Aug 19, 2002

Amen souljah......

Christ IS returning....

The time to prepare is now....

franklin · Aug 19, 2002

Originally posted by s0uljah
You think scripture supports the idea that Christ is not returning? Show me where He says He is not coming back.

What I'm saying is that you will not find in scripture anything that supports the idea of a physical second coming of Christ, or the literal return of Christ, taught anywhere in scripture. When searching out the truth given to us in Scripture, we must use Scripture to interpret Scripture.  Look at the five phrases I listed in my post.  The apostles and Jews of the first century clearly understood what the above phrases meant, because they read it many times in the Old Testament books. These phrases were very common in the Old Testament books. Such language was used many times in the past whenever God would overthrow and destroy a single nation at a specific time.  In scripture, the day of the Lord has never referred to a physical, literal return of the Lord. The day of the Lord has always referred to the Lord's judgment upon either a city or nation of people. It refers to a destruction from God Almighty; (Joel 1:15); (Obadiah 1:15); (Zephaniah 2:1-3) Look up more of these passages in your concordance on the day of the Lord...... These phrases are similar in the NT.....  The Greek word for coming is parousia. This Greek word means arrival or presence, not return. It is never translated as return in the entire bible. It didn't refer to any future return of Christ. To the disciples, the "parousia" signified the destruction of Jerusalem, just as it referred to the destruction of a city in the scriptures of their time. Let's now look at the context of Matthew 24. Throughout Matthew's gospel, Jesus continually warned the Jews of their coming judgment because of their apostasy. As you can see from what is described about the coming of the Lord is not what is so commonly taught by the dispensationalist or the futuristic view.  The scripture teaches the fulfillment of the coming of Christ's kingdom in AD70. 

Job_38 · Aug 19, 2002

Originally posted by s0uljah

What if we are inspired differently?  What if we both come up with our own meanings?  Scripture will tell us whom the right one is, then?  So, it comes down to the sheer volume of scripture that supports either side?

 

 You say the Church, but that is too broad. Franklin, there are those who understand this more than we, Solomon says we are to seek counsel from the wise. So find them and ask them. God will point you in the right direction. Good luck in future things as well!

 

Brian45 · Aug 20, 2002

Originally posted by s0uljah
Ok, so go on and tell us then...

/waiting in anticipation...

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Which is exactly why you shouldn't interpret personally, rather, rely on the Church.

 

Which church should I rely on for bible interpretation ?

Chris†opher Paul · Aug 20, 2002

Originally posted by Brian45

 

Which church should I rely on for bible interpretation ?

The One Holy and Apostolic Church, the Roman Catholic Church.

Brian45 · Aug 20, 2002

Originally posted by s0uljah

The One Holy and Apostolic Church, the Roman Catholic Church.

 

Then what should I do if I'm a protestant ?

Chris†opher Paul · Aug 20, 2002

Originally posted by Brian45

 

Then what should I do if I'm a protestant ?

Convert, like I am doing.  Raised protestant.

Brian45 · Aug 20, 2002

No comment , if I do I know what will happen .

But If I was a muslim , I can deny christ and get away with it .

franklin · Aug 20, 2002

The topic is the 2nd coming of Christ guys not about converting to different denominations.... I appreciate it if we can stay on topic, before it starts going in all different directions.....

thanks for your cooroperation

Chris†opher Paul · Aug 20, 2002

Originally posted by franklin
The topic is the 2nd coming of Christ guys not about converting to different denominations.... I appreciate it if we can stay on topic, before it starts going in all different directions.....

thanks for your cooroperation

Ok, so what verses do you have that show Jesus saying "I am not coming back folks?"

franklin · Aug 20, 2002

Originally posted by s0uljah

Ok, so what verses do you have that show Jesus saying "I am not coming back folks?"

your kidding right souljah?!  either you missed my post from last night or it went right over your head!  I never said He isn't coming back.  I'm beginning to think you don't even read and concentrate on what I have already written and posted.  As soon as you take a little initiative yourself and search the scriptures, then maybe we can have a civil discussion.  

Chris†opher Paul · Aug 20, 2002

Originally posted by franklin

your kidding right souljah?!  either you missed my post from last night or it went right over your head!  I never said He isn't coming back.  I'm beginning to think you don't even read and concentrate on what I have already written and posted.  As soon as you take a little initiative yourself and search the scriptures, then maybe we can have a civil discussion.  

I have posted scriptures for you, and you dismissed them out of hand.

Perhaps your post wasn't clear? 

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