Homosexuality and Mental Illness

JesusWalks78 · Jan 11, 2007

CynicalAgnostic said:
Okay, then, fine. Just because ignoring your urges worked for you certainly does not mean that it'll work for all gay people. Just like Prozac doesn't work for every depressed person. We all have unique physiological make-ups, so why should your make-up matter more than another person's?

Prozac is a drug....not a choice.

HannahBanana · Jan 11, 2007

JesusWalks78 said:
Prozac is a drug....not a choice.

Just because homosexuality was a choice for you does not mean that it was a choice for every gay person. You do not represent the entire gay community, so stop acting like you do.

Parmenio · Jan 12, 2007

100% proof does not exist for anything. Anywhere. Ever. Your continuous requests for it are ridiculous and, again, betray your ignorance. You continue to insist that such a thing can be provided to you on such a controversial topic such as homosexuality, and you really do seem to just be a troll.

Your assertion that I just haven't found the right man falls into line with you asserting that there are green Martians, with 6 hands and 3 legs on earth, and that I cannot <i>prove</i> otherwise because I haven't seen every available space on earth to physically demonstrate otherwise. This line of reasoning is just stupid.

The proof is in that I have seen literally millions of people and thus far have not found myself attracted to men. Several million is easily considered a large enough sampling to constitute a reliable answer. If you don't believe me, then talk to your local CPA.

CriticalMassKitten · Jan 12, 2007

JesusWalks78 said:
Why...because you cant provide it?

You also seem to not be providing evidence of it being a choice. Like I said before, science is all about evidence, not about 100% fact. And think about it, if you're asking for 100% proof of things, you can't even do that for any god. I am by no means saying god isn't real, but you can't prove it 100%.

A few innocent men sitting on death row are killed because the evidence "pointed" towards them.

Law is different than science. In law, you require evidence beyond reasonable doubt, because you are dealing with people's lives. Science, you require evidence that points towards an answer. And, like I said before, I have seen no evidence found by actual scientists in recent years that says it's a choice. And like I said, until there's a counterexample,(which you have failed to provide the past few times I've asked this) evidence points towards it.

gwenmead · Jan 12, 2007

I suppose that if I were a gay or bisexual man living in a nation in which I could very well go to prison for 14 years (with a possibility for corporal punishment) for acting in accordance with my sexual nature, I'd do everything I possibly could to repress, sublimate, ignore, or otherwise deny it. When the stakes are as real and as high as that, it makes a lot of sense.

It must be very frightening to be gay in Fiji.

HannahBanana · Jan 12, 2007

gwenmead said:
I suppose that if I were a gay or bisexual man living in a nation in which I could very well go to prison for 14 years (with a possibility for corporal punishment) for acting in accordance with my sexual nature, I'd do everything I possibly could to repress, sublimate, ignore, or otherwise deny it. When the stakes are as real and as high as that, it makes a lot of sense.

It must be very frightening to be gay in Fiji.

Not to mention in Jamaica or in many countries in the Middle East, where homosexuals are killed routinely. *sighs* I wonder if this world will ever progress beyond such barbaric behaviors.

gwenmead · Jan 12, 2007

CynicalAgnostic said:
Not to mention in Jamaica or in many countries in the Middle East, where homosexuals are killed routinely. *sighs* I wonder if this world will ever progress beyond such barbaric behaviors.

I think it's very possible, it just might take some time. I mean, how many nations have passed laws in support of same-sex marriage by now? I find that in itself amazing, and very hopeful.

HannahBanana · Jan 13, 2007

Jerusha_Girl said:
Take what JesusWalks says with a grain of salt. He's trolling. On another forum, he announced that he's deconverted, and that he still comes here to troll and get people wound up. He even did like a 30 min podcast on how he's not Catholic, hasn't been for awhile, has no hate or animosity to homosexuals, and feels that Christianity (especially Catholicism) is a hypocritical faith.

He said of homosexuality:

"I'm not against gay rights. They want to walk down the street and hold hands, they want to adopt kids, they want to get married, that's up to them. I'm not in any position to have any say over what people do."

If people want links, I have them. But in short, he's pushing everybody's buttons.

Lovely. *rolls eyes* Thanks for letting me know. I won't waste any more time or energy on him.

chalice_thunder · Jan 13, 2007

Jerusha_Girl said:
Take what JesusWalks says with a grain of salt. He's trolling. On another forum, he announced that he's deconverted, and that he still comes here to troll and get people wound up. He even did like a 30 min podcast on how he's not Catholic, hasn't been for awhile, has no hate or animosity to homosexuals, and feels that Christianity (especially Catholicism) is a hypocritical faith.

He said of homosexuality:

"I'm not against gay rights. They want to walk down the street and hold hands, they want to adopt kids, they want to get married, that's up to them. I'm not in any position to have any say over what people do."

If people want links, I have them. But in short, he's pushing everybody's buttons.

This explains a lot.

Thanks for sharing the info. :wave:

alphatronics · Jan 13, 2007

What name does he go under elsewhere?

Ramona · Jan 13, 2007

Jerusha Girl I would definitely like to see this link!

alphatronics · Jan 13, 2007

You don't need to post the links, just give his names used elsewhere and people can research it on their own.

JesusWalks78 · Jan 14, 2007

alphatronics said:
What name does he go under elsewhere?

I went under JesusWalks on infidel guy as well, during my lapse of faith I went by the name of Savage. Yes I did do a thirty minute podcast with the Rational Response squad because it was a guy named mike (Yellow_Number_Five) that helped me "deconvert".

On infidel guy i also said that I needed to go and find myself, it is a big thing to lose a religion, thankfully i found it again and it is stronger than ever.

I do go back to infidel guy from time to time, but I do not post on religious issues, and I havent been going often.

gwenmead · Jan 14, 2007

It is indeed a big thing to lose a religion. It's traumatic and frightening. I've even considered reconverting once or twice, just so I wouldn't have to go through the painful process of deconversion. And I don't even live in a particularly conservative area - in fact I live in one of the most liberal, tolerant parts of my nation. I can imagine it must be considerably more difficult to live without religious belief in a country which, as I understand it, is very religious, and very conservative. If you found it expedient to reconvert, well - sometimes that's necessary.

Your podcast was very interesting though. It seems a great contrast from many of your posts here, not just in terms of the differing religious perspectives.

Anyway. Cat's out of the bag now, I suppose.

JesusWalks78 · Jan 14, 2007

Tropical Wilds said:
Unless there was a change in the last 24 hours, we're apparently the only forum that didn't know of your conversion awhile ago.

Actually in the Non Christian religions forum I have said that I was an atheist that came back to the faith. Dont ask me which post, it was so long agao...but feel free to do a search of all the posts I have been in and check the ones specific to that section.

The general consensus is that, because you have so many personas on so many forums, is that and apparently common knowledge everywhere but here that you come to this board to push buttons.

The general consensus is wrong, when i returned to the faith it is just alot stronger.

You made a post on it on the other board, and people can go read it for themselves. They can also see the difference in what you espouse there as opposed to here.

Yeah, i am pretty different over there. I made friends there and I havent had the guts to tell them yet.

But I just want to say, I heard your Podcast, and you sound like an intelligent, interesting person. I wish we saw more of *THAT* JesusWalks/Savage.

You mean the secular, God hating Savage. Sorry that person is no longer around.

You're so articulate, that this playing to the lowest common denominator is just so below you, and it cheats us out of somebody who's very interesting to listen to, and has some great insights onto religion and God.

Lowest common denominator? I dont understand that?

If you'd bring that person here, you'd be, easily, one of the most fascinating people here, and probably one of the most fascinating and articulate people that we can talk with online.

Again I chose God over secularism, and i follow the teachings of his bride much stronger than before. As far as i am concerned that dark period of my life never happened.

But I see the stuff you say here, and, man... It just makes me so angry that you choose to have that kind of conversation, when I hear the intelligent discourse you're capable of.

Your anger is of no consequence to me, I have found God again and that is all that matters.

gwenmead · Jan 14, 2007

Yeah, i am pretty different over there. I made friends there and I havent had the guts to tell them yet.

They know already.

I don't think that anybody is taking issue with your reconversion specifically. I think it's the contrast in attitudes between now and then.

I'm sure it's very possible to love God without being arrogant and judgmental. In fact I see plenty of people here who are able to do that just fine. Hopefully you'll join their ranks one of these days.

JesusWalks78 · Jan 14, 2007

gwenmead said:
It is indeed a big thing to lose a religion. It's traumatic and frightening. I've even considered reconverting once or twice, just so I wouldn't have to go through the painful process of deconversion.

A very dark phase of my life.

And I don't even live in a particularly conservative area - in fact I live in one of the most liberal, tolerant parts of my nation. I can imagine it must be considerably more difficult to live without religious belief in a country which, as I understand it, is very religious, and very conservative. If you found it expedient to reconvert, well - sometimes that's necessary.

At first thats what I thought it was, it was a neccesity to stay a Catholic....then I left for the country for a while and I realised it wasnt that at all, it was that I still had faith, I was just tempted and was giving in. I then took strength from the book of Job and the story of the temptation of the master.

Your podcast was very interesting though. It seems a great contrast from many of your posts here, not just in terms of the differing religious perspectives.

Yes, as different as heaven and hell.

Anyway. Cat's out of the bag now, I suppose.

Yes, it is indeed sad I was hoping to put all that behind me and move along on the narrow road, but somehow i feel this will continue to come up.

JesusWalks78 · Jan 14, 2007

Tropical Wilds said:
Whatever, dude. This appears to be the only forum you belong to and claim found God again, b/c as recently as December you claimed to be an Atheist But whatever you've got to do, you just go ahead and do. Just know, pretty much nobody here is going to fall for the act anymore.

Actually thats not true, I have made the same assertion on a catholic forum.

I just wish you luck in whatever you do and hope you get through this period of your life OK.

I will take that without the sarcasm and say thank you.

JesusWalks78 · Jan 14, 2007

gwenmead said:
They know already.

Saves me alot of grief then. BTW how do you know that?

I don't think that anybody is taking issue with your reconversion specifically. I think it's the contrast in attitudes between now and then.

Big difference between an atheist and christian.

I'm sure it's very possible to love God without being arrogant and judgmental. In fact I see plenty of people here who are able to do that just fine. Hopefully you'll join their ranks one of these days.

There are those that follow Gods laws, and those that bend Gods laws. i am not a law bender.

gwenmead · Jan 14, 2007

JesusWalks78 said:
Saves me alot of grief then. BTW how do you know that?

Because I posted on the RRS forums asking about it.

Big difference between an atheist and christian.

Yes, in terms of religious belief, and sometimes of worldview overall, there's often a great difference. I was thinking not so much of religious belief in the difference I saw between now and then, but one of attitude.

There are those that follow Gods laws, and those that bend Gods laws. i am not a law bender.

I wonder if it's possible to "follow God's laws" without being arrogant about it.

Maybe with an exclusive, inerrantist doctrine, it isn't.

Ah, well. That's probably for another thread anyway.

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