Catholic leader assaults gay marriage supporter at rally
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Ave Maria
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Why does the fact that this person was Catholic even matter? Is this just some way to slam Catholicism? It is bad what the person did regardless of the person's religion. However, this one person does not represent all of Catholics.
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Caylin
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It shouldn't be. Abortion protestors are provocative and aggressive, and there isn't an epidemic of clinic workers attacking protestors, and it wouldn't make it right if they did. Last time I checked, no matter what they said to you, if you initiated the fight, then you get in trouble.
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As it was mentioned before religiously based opponents to same-sex marriage try to set themselves up as morally superior. When they commit acts like this they undermine this.
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Da_Funkey_Gibbon
I'm just like the others...
I searched the story on google and despite the fact that that article is one-sided, it has its facts straight.
http://www.boston.com/news/local/articles/2006/12/18/catholic_group_leader_denies_pushing_activist/
He admits he put his hand on her back, but denies pushing her. Whatever, there was no need for him to even go down and "guide her away", she had every right to be there.
As an aside, you don't wanna see the kind of spin the Gay press puts on this story "bloodied and bruised on the sidewalk" Good grief! That's not even spin that's just making stuff up...
http://news.google.co.uk/news?sourc...GLG,GGLG:2005-47,GGLG:en&ncl=1112085580&hl=en
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fanatiquefou
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It looks to me like you're reading a lot into this article that just simply isn't supported by the facts that are there. We don't know what drove the man to push her, or how either of them were behaving at the time of the incident, so we can't say that the man was entirely without provocation. However, you seem to be trying your darnedest to pin something on this woman that just isn't present in the facts available to us. The article says she had tears in her eyes, and if I'd just been pushed to the ground, I know I'd be awfully upset. The article also doesn't say she's just "yelling at people randomly." She was distraught and she yelled, "This is what hate does." That doesn't seem that surprising or antagonistic to me, under the circumstances as they've been reported. She probably wasn't thinking completely clearly after the time - she'd just been assaulted, for heaven's sake.
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Where on earth are you getting this from that article?
With all due respect, I didn't see anything of the sort. She had a sign and wanted to protest. Protests don't usually work if you're staying with your own "crowd", as you seem to be suggesting she should have done. She wanted for the people she opposed to see her protest - that's kind of the whole POINT of protesting. There's no indication that she was being aggressive about anything. The article simply doesn't say. Maybe she was, maybe she wasn't, but you don't have anything to go on if you claim that she was obviously being antagonistic.
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Of course the article has its fact straight, the ones that presented. It didn't blatantly lie, but it only added in the ones to smear him and make him look like he went over to a protestor and pushed her down. The article leaves out his side of events and only quotes him on a part that makes him look guilty.
It's a smear, biased article.
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Da_Funkey_Gibbon
I'm just like the others...
He went over to a protester and put his hands on her. Whether he pushed her or whether she overreacted we don't know - but the fact is he was out of line by even touching her.
At absolute best he's a victim of his own stupidity, but the fact he was angry enough to get all the way down from the podium suggests to me that his actions were in anger, and that he may have caused her to fall, even if she was only too willing to take a dive.
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That's the problem, he might not have pushed her, but the article is so slanted and biased that they only present her side of events. As someone already pointed out, the guy says he didn't push her.
The fact that you have just said he pushed her when his side wasn't presented in the article proves me point that's it a biased, smear article against those for traditional marriage.
No, the article said she wasn't yelling at anyone in particular- she was yelling, but randomly. What I've had to do is piece the facts of this account amid an article that is clearly one sided, and present his possible side of events.
It seems that since he's conservative, he doesn't deserve to have a fair say- he should just be slandered and her side assumed (as you have just done).
Read the article- it says she left her crowd and she went towards the other crowd. That's being an antagonist, she was confronthing them instead of protesting on their side.
Her little childish remark of, I wanted to be in that crowd and show them a different perspective. makes her behavior and attitude pretty clear.
Then this little journalist decided to smear the guy, not even bother to present his side and due their best to make conservatives look bad.
The fact that people here jumped all over the guy instead of asking, "hey, where is his side, where did he say he knocked her down if the article did" shows some serious issues with critical thinking on the part of people here. The very same people that believe liberalism is a bastion on intellectualism and fairness. It is just as hateful, antagonistic and dishonest and everyone else.
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Read the title of the article you linked to:
"Catholic group leader denies pushing activist"
then the title of the article in the OP:
"Gay marriage backer pushed"
then the title of this thread:
"Catholic leader assaults gay marriage supporter at rally"
Has nothing to do with his hands on her- that's not what I've been complaining about. I'm complaining about him being accused of pushing her and his side being completely ignored for being a conservative.
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Da_Funkey_Gibbon
I'm just like the others...
Then why did you jump all over my post? I wasn't commenting on the article in paticular, I was commenting on what happened.
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I agree there are times my religion embarrasses meI'm so ashamed to share a religion with this guy.
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When you talk about people who have no morals I assume you are referring to the organizers of the rally where this sordid event took place.
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Da_Funkey_Gibbon
I'm just like the others...
It shouldn't really though, the Catholic faith has no debt to man, nor is it possible for men to tarnish it. They can tarnish its image, sure, but you should be able to see past that.
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Da_Funkey_Gibbon
I'm just like the others...
Why would they have no morals? Everyone has some kind of moral code, it's innate to human nature really.
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Don't knock the good sisters. They raise a lot more money for charity than you or I have.
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