Pro-Life Nurse Refuses to Assist in Abortion of Down Syndrome Child

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LovesTruth

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You hope that a person who refuses to do the duties of their job gets to keep their job?



Why, those prevent unwanted pregnecys and the abortions they often prompt.
You hope that a person who refuses to do the duties of their job gets to keep their job?

Under federal law doing a medical procedure that violates one's conscience is by definition NOT a part of one's job. The Weldon Amendment protects her right to religious exemption from any procedure that violates her religious beliefs.

If you want more information about this, see aclj.org or lc.org or Google the Alliance Defense Fund and The Rutherford Institute.
 
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loaded words? Abuse of legal terms? Are you guys serious?

Very.

How should I define the taking of an innocent life then?

In a way that does not mangel legal terms for emotonal impact please.

How shall I sanitize the truth so you can put your conscience at ease?

My conscience is at ease no matter what term you use as it is not a matter of guilt but a matter of legal terms being misused.

How about liquidation?

As I said in my first post, use a term that is not a strictly defined legal term and I take no issue with your choice of words.

How about embryotic expulsion?

Again, fine by me.
 
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Instead of murder... how about we call it DESOULMENT? Would that help you sleep at night?

Once more, I sleep soundly no matter what term you bark out in an attempt to appeal to emotion rather then logic I only ask that you not butcher legal terms while you do so.
 
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http://www.citizenlink.org/CLNews/A000003450.cfm

As hospitals strong-arm health-care professionals to adopt abortion-friendly policies, one nurse is hailed a hero for clinging to her pro-life beliefs.
If you have ever wondered what difference one person can make, consider Mary Bauer. At 48, she changed careers, got a degree in nursing and accepted a position in the labor and delivery unit at a Chicago hospital. But it’s what happened on her first day of work -- and her reaction to it -- that really set Bauer apart.
One has to wonder why she knowingly took a job that would conflict with her ethical position? I would suspect to get attention as she is.
 
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Once more, I sleep soundly no matter what term you bark out in an attempt to appeal to emotion rather then logic I only ask that you not butcher legal terms while you do so.
Butchery... thats another good one.
And we won't discuss logic in a topic about terminating unborn children for the sake of convenience.
 
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She refused to do her job.
She should be at least reprimanded if not fired.

See, that's the thing. Taking a stand for one's beliefs and principles can be a wonderful thing to do and a sign of strength and character. Expecting such a stand to have no consequences, however, is ridiculous, and cheapens one's position. Sometimes standing up for what you believe is right can have unfortunate results, such as losing your job. It certainly shouldn't be expected that someone who can't fulfill all of his or her duties should be kept on the job. Too many people today want to be able to stand on principle without facing the potential consequences, to do what's right without sacrificing their comfortable position. Sometimes that's just not possible. I'm not saying that's what's going on here, and I'm not saying that it's always right for people to suffer for making a stand - but that's how the world works, often enough, and whining about it certainly won't win anyone to your cause.
 
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Actaully it is your exegesis which is wrong. This law applies TO THE WOMAN not to the child she is carrying. You might want to check what the Torah & Talmud have to say.

The Babylonian Talmud Yevamot 69b states that: "the embryo is considered to be mere water until the fortieth day." Afterwards, it is considered subhuman until it is born.

"Rashi, the great 12th century commentator on the Bible and Talmud, states clearly of the fetus 'lav nefesh hu--it is not a person.' The Talmud contains the expression 'ubar yerech imo--the fetus is as the thigh of its mother,' i.e., the fetus is deemed to be part and parcel of the pregnant woman's body." 1This is grounded in Exodus 21:22. That biblical passage outlines the Mosaic law in a case where a man is responsible for causing a woman's miscarriage, which kills the fetus If the woman survives, then the perpetrator has to pay a fine to the woman's husband. If the woman dies, then the perpetrator is also killed. This indicates that the fetus has value, but does not have the status of a person.​
 
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Butchery... thats another good one.
And we won't discuss logic in a topic about terminating unborn children for the sake of convenience.

While it is not strictly defined like murder the term "unborn child' really strikes me as oxymorinic as a child is by definition born. To me it is much like calling my self a "unaged geriatric" at my present stage of life.

As for the logic of abortion to me it is totaly logical. A woman has the final say over what transpires in her uterus. To me that is one of the most basic property rights, something that conservatives used to actually stand for rather then the ever exspanding nanny-morality police state.
 
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As for the logic of abortion to me it is totaly logical. A woman has the final say over what transpires in her uterus. To me that is one of the most basic property rights, something that conservatives used to actually stand for rather then the ever exspanding nanny-morality police state.
Babies in the womb are property? I had no idea.
 
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Pro-lifers say: It's a child not a choice.

Pro-choicers say: It's a choice, not a child.

And within those parameters are numerous variations--some pro-choicers will become pro-lifers after 12 weeks of gestation, some after 16.....

There is no religious consensus.

There is no legal consensus.

There is no medical consensus.

If "life" ends when brain activity ends, would the medical definition of when life begins be when brain activity begins?

The heart begins beating at 5 weeks--but that's not the medical definition of life.

At week 8 the "hind brain" is visible....so I suppose that, under current medical terminology, at week 8 there would be medical "life."

This is why we need a Constitutional Amendment defining when human life begins and is protected in our Constitution....

But, given the requirements for a Constitutional Amendment to pass, it would be very difficult to get a national consensus.
 
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While it is not strictly defined like murder the term "unborn child' really strikes me as oxymorinic as a child is by definition born. To me it is much like calling my self a "unaged geriatric" at my present stage of life.

As for the logic of abortion to me it is totaly logical. A woman has the final say over what transpires in her uterus. To me that is one of the most basic property rights, something that conservatives used to actually stand for rather then the ever exspanding nanny-morality police state.
Perhaps you are thinking about a womans right to have a puppy?
 
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But, given the requirements for a Constitutional Amendment to pass, it would be very difficult to get a national consensus.

Given the volitility of the issue I would say it is impossible to get the consensus nessary.
 
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Given the volitility of the issue I would say it is impossible to get the consensus nessary.
All we need are 51% of the Senate and a president willing to nominate the right judges. Roe v Wade was never voted into law. It was a judicial order, and it can be reversed just as easily.

No consensus is needed.... only 51% of the senate willing to make 51% enough to approve judges.
 
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