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I am wondering how many people really know what the term "Christmas" means? I don't mean what the "meaning of Chirstmas" is, but what does the TERM Christmas mean? Here is from the following link. http://www.lasttrumpetministries.org/tracts/tract4.html


"If you are an honest, sincere and discerning Christian, please read on; if not, you might as well stop right here. The World Book Encyclopedia defines "Christmas" as follows: "The word Christmas comes from "Cristes Maesse", an early English phrase that means "Mass of Christ." (1) It is interesting to note that the word "Mass", as used by the Roman Catholics, has traditionally been rejected by the so-called Protestants, such as Lutherans, Baptists, Methodists, Presbyterians, Pentecostals and so on. The word "Mass" is strictly a Catholic word and thus, so is "Christ-Mass." It would stand to reason, that since all of these denominations love and embrace "Christ-Mass", that December 25th is the great homecoming day, when all of the Protestants become Catholic for a day. It would seem that all of the so-called "wayward daughters" of the Roman church return to their mother, the scarlet harlot. Thus, all of the so-called Protestant churches could sing to the Pope that popular song "I'll be home for Christmas."

Has any protestant thougt about this? I realize that we all as Christians look forward to and celebrate Christ at His birthday as we celbrate it on Christmas. So I realize that protestants celebrate this day as well as Catholics, but have you ever thought of what the word "Christmas" actually meant? Yes it means "Christ's Mass" or "the Mass of Christ". Does this bother you at all?

 

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Wikipedia;

In Anglo-Saxon times, Christmas was referred to as geol[3], from which the current English word 'Yule' is derived. The word "Christmas" is a contraction meaning "Christ's mass." It is derived from the Middle English Christemasse and Old English Cristes mæsse, a phrase first recorded in 1038.[3] The words for the holiday in Spanish (navidad) and French (noël) refer more explicitly to the Nativity. In contrast, the German name Weihnachten means simply "hallowed night."
Christmas is sometimes shortened to Xmas, an abbreviation that has a long history.[4] In early Greek versions of the New Testament, the letter Χ (chi), is the first letter of Christ (Χριστός). Since the mid-sixteenth century Χ, or the similar Roman letter X, was used as an abbreviation for Christ.[5]

During the Reformation, Protestants condemned Christmas celebration as "trappings of popery" and the "rags of the Beast"

Hmm wiki backs u up...whoas haha. The CC is bloody smart i must admit haha.

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Some people hate Christmass because they misunderstand the mass as a bloody re-sacrifice of Our Lord.And they see the date as a pagan date, to worship the sun god, but God has made all things new in Him, all the days speak to His glory and all time proclaims him King, we took the pagan festival and baptised it and the grace of God made it a holiday just as all the days are holy-days. the festival on december 25 was to worship the sun god, now it is purified and we worship the Son of God
 
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I didn't think that Christmas meaning the Mass of Christ was a secret.

Now the fact that I'm Methodist and see Mass as a symbol rather than a physical changing of the bread and wine (or grape juice, in my case) doesn't change the fact that Mass (or communion) is the way we were taught to remember the sacrifice that Jesus made for us. And there's certainly no harm in celebrating his birth since the sacrifice would not have been possible without that particular event.

I don't think it should get more focus than Good Friday and Easter (and it doesn't in church -- only commercially), but there's certainly nothing wrong with the celebration of it.

I absolutely don't think it's a bad thing that Protestants and Catholics recognize some of the same holy days. We should have more similarities than differences.

But then... I go to Midnight Mass at a Catholic church every year. It's one of the few things I look forward to on Christmas.
 
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I didn't think that Christmas meaning the Mass of Christ was a secret.

Now the fact that I'm Methodist and see Mass as a symbol rather than a physical changing of the bread and wine (or grape juice, in my case) doesn't change the fact that Mass (or communion) is the way we were taught to remember the sacrifice that Jesus made for us. And there's certainly no harm in celebrating his birth since the sacrifice would not have been possible without that particular event.

I don't think it should get more focus than Good Friday and Easter (and it doesn't in church -- only commercially), but there's certainly nothing wrong with the celebration of it.

I absolutely don't think it's a bad thing that Protestants and Catholics recognize some of the same holy days. We should have more similarities than differences.

But then... I go to Midnight Mass at a Catholic church every year. It's one of the few things I look forward to on Christmas.

I applaud you that you go to Midnight Mass, do you believe that you are following a Tradition of the Catholic Church by celebrating Christmas? After all, wasn't it the Catholic Church that first started this?

I am NOT discrediting you for doing so, I just want you to realize that you (even though being protestant) are following a Cathoic Tradition.
 
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Uh, by looking for it???

You can just do a search for what the term or word "Christmas" means and you will find the answer.
I'd never thought to do that.
Though I've bene reading that newsletter for years. Its fascinating.
 
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I didn't think that Christmas meaning the Mass of Christ was a secret.

Now the fact that I'm Methodist and see Mass as a symbol rather than a physical changing of the bread and wine (or grape juice, in my case) doesn't change the fact that Mass (or communion) is the way we were taught to remember the sacrifice that Jesus made for us. And there's certainly no harm in celebrating his birth since the sacrifice would not have been possible without that particular event.

I don't think it should get more focus than Good Friday and Easter (and it doesn't in church -- only commercially), but there's certainly nothing wrong with the celebration of it.

I absolutely don't think it's a bad thing that Protestants and Catholics recognize some of the same holy days. We should have more similarities than differences.

But then... I go to Midnight Mass at a Catholic church every year. It's one of the few things I look forward to on Christmas.

Have you ever attended an Easter Vigil Mass? It is exceptionally wonderful.
 
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John Gill points out the apostate church (the woman in scarlet & purple) in cludes Protestant churches, and as well points out that the invisible church has members in both sects.
This from John Gill commentaries available at "crosswalk"
http://bible.crosswalk.com/Commentaries/JamiesonFaussetBrown/jfb.cgi?book=re&chapter=017

1. unto me--A, B, Vulgate, Syriac, and Coptic omit.
many--So A. But B, "the many waters" (Jeremiah 51:13); Revelation 17:15, below, explains the sense. The harlot is the apostate Church, just as "the woman" (Revelation 12:1-6) is the Church while faithful. Satan having failed by violence, tries too successfully to seduce her by the allurements of the world; unlike her Lord, she was overcome by this temptation; hence she is seen sitting on the scarlet-colored beast, no longer the wife, but the harlot; no longer Jerusalem, but spiritually Sodom (Revelation 11:8).

2. drunk with--Greek, "owing to." It cannot be pagan Rome, but papal Rome, if a particular seat of error be meant, but I incline to think that the judgment (Revelation 18:2) and the spiritual fornication (Revelation 18:3), though finding their culmination in Rome, are not restricted to it, but comprise the whole apostate Church, Roman, Greek, and even Protestant, so far as it has been seduced from its "first love" (Revelation 2:4) to Christ, the heavenly Bridegroom, and given its affections to worldly pomps and idols. The woman (Revelation 12:1) is the congregation of God in its purity under the Old and New Testament, and appears again as the Bride of the Lamb, the transfigured Church prepared for the marriage feast. The woman, the invisible Church, is latent in the apostate Church, and is the Church militant; the Bride is the Church triumphant.
3. the wilderness--Contrast her in Revelation 12:6,14, having a place in the wilderness-world, but not a home; a sojourner here, looking for the city to come. Now, on the contrary, she is contented to have her portion in this moral wilderness.
upon a scarlet . . . beast--The same as in Revelation 13:1, who there is described as here, "having seven heads and ten horns (therein betraying that he is representative of the dragon, Revelation 12:3), and upon his heads names (so the oldest manuscripts read) of blasphemy"; compare also Revelation 17:12-14, below, with Revelation 19:19,20, and Revelation 17:13,14,16. Rome, resting on the world power and ruling it by the claim of supremacy, is the chief, though not the exclusive, representative of this symbol. As the dragon is fiery-red, so the beast is blood-red in color; implying its blood-guiltiness, and also deep-dyed sin. The scarlet is also the symbol of kingly authority.
full--all over; not merely "on his heads," as in Revelation 13:1, for its opposition to God is now about to develop itself in all its intensity. Under the harlot's superintendence, the world power puts forth blasphemous pretensions worse than in pagan days. So the Pope is placed by the cardinals in God's temple on the altar to sit there, and the cardinals kiss the feet of the Pope. This ceremony is called in Romish writers "the adoration." [Historie de Clerge, Amsterd., 1716; and LETTENBURGH'S Notitia Curiæ Romanæ, 1683, p. 125; HEIDEGGER, Myst. Bab., 1, 511, 514, 537]; a papal coin [Numismata Pontificum, Paris, 1679, p. 5] has the blasphemous legend, "Quem creant, adorant." Kneeling and kissing are the worship meant by John's word nine times used in respect to the rival of God (Greek, "proskunein"). Abomination, too, is the scriptural term for an idol, or any creature worshipped with the homage due to the Creator. Still, there is some check on the God-opposed world power while ridden by the harlot; the consummated Antichrist will be when, having destroyed her, the beast shall be revealed as the concentration and incarnation of all the self-deifying God-opposed principles which have appeared in various forms and degrees heretofore. "The Church has gained outward recognition by leaning on the world power which in its turn uses the Church for its own objects; such is the picture here of Christendom ripe for judgment" [AUBERLEN]. The seven heads in the view of many are the seven successive forms of government of Rome: kings, consuls, dictators, decemvirs, military tribunes, emperors, the German emperors [WORDSWORTH], of whom Napoleon is the successor (Revelation 17:11). But see the view given, which I prefer. The crowns formerly on the ten horns (Revelation 13:1) have now disappeared, perhaps an indication that the ten kingdoms into which the Germanic-Slavonic world [the old Roman empire, including the East as well as the West, the two legs of the image with five toes on each, that is, ten in all] is to be divided, will lose their monarchical form in the end [AUBERLEN]; but see Revelation 17:12, which seems to imply crowned kings.
4. The color scarlet, it is remarkable, is that reserved for popes and cardinals. Paul II made it penal for anyone but cardinals to wear hats of scarlet; compare Roman Ceremonial [3.5.5]. This book was compiled several centuries ago by MARCELLUS, a Romish archbishop, and dedicated to Leo X. In it are enumerated five different articles of dress of scarlet color. A vest is mentioned studded with pearls. The Pope's miter is of gold and precious stones. These are the very characteristics outwardly which Revelation thrice assigns to the harlot or Babylon. So Joachim an abbot from Calabria, about A.D. 1200, when asked by Richard of England, who had summoned him to Palestine, concerning Antichrist, replied that "he was born long ago at Rome, and is now exalting himself above all that is called God." ROGER HOVEDEN [Annals, 1.2], and elsewhere, wrote, "The harlot arrayed in gold is the Church of Rome." Whenever and wherever (not in Rome alone) the Church, instead of being "clothed (as at first, Revelation 12:1) with the sun" of heaven, is arrayed in earthly meretricious gauds, compromising the truth of God through fear, or flattery, of the world's power, science, or wealth, she becomes the harlot seated on the beast, and doomed in righteous retribution to be judged by the beast (Revelation 17:16). Soon, like Rome, and like the Jews of Christ's and the apostles' time leagued with the heathen Rome, she will then become the persecutor of the saints (Revelation 17:6). Instead of drinking her Lord's "cup" of suffering, she has "a cup full of abominations and filthinesses." Rome, in her medals, represents herself holding a cup with the self-condemning inscription, "Sedet super universum." Meanwhile the world power gives up its hostility and accepts Christianity externally; the beast gives up its God-opposed character, the woman gives up her divine one. They meet halfway by mutual concessions; Christianity becomes worldly, the world becomes Christianized. The gainer is the world; the loser is the Church. The beast for a time receives a deadly wound (Revelation 13:3), but is not really transfigured; he will return worse than ever (Revelation 17:11-14). The Lord alone by His coming can make the kingdoms of this world become the kingdoms of our Lord and His Christ. The "purple" is the badge of empire; even as in mockery it was put on our Lord.
decked--literally, "gilded."
stones--Greek, "stone."
filthiness--A, B, and ANDREAS read, "the filthy (impure) things."
 
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Has any protestant thougt about this? I realize that we all as Christians look forward to and celebrate Christ at His birthday as we celbrate it on Christmas. So I realize that protestants celebrate this day as well as Catholics, but have you ever thought of what the word "Christmas" actually meant? Yes it means "Christ's Mass" or "the Mass of Christ". Does this bother you at all?


For as long as I can remember, I've known the meaning of the word. At least since I was 7 or 8.

Do you know what the word "Easter" literally means?


Hoser, I wish you and yours a very blessed Christmas. May the Christ born in Bethlehem be born anew in your heart and remain there to richly bless you throughout His New Year.


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- Josiah



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I didn't think that Christmas meaning the Mass of Christ was a secret.

ditto.

I don't think it should get more focus than Good Friday and Easter (and it doesn't in church -- only commercially), but there's certainly nothing wrong with the celebration of it.

I absolutely don't think it's a bad thing that Protestants and Catholics recognize some of the same holy days. We should have more similarities than differences.
Ditto
 
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