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Many today are content knowing that they were sprinkled when they were children in the church. Yet, in the New Testament, all who were baptized were required to believe in Jesus Christ with all of their hearts (Acts 8:36) and then they were taken and baptized in water (Acts 8:38). Nothing has changed. If you have not been baptized since you have become a believer, you should have it done.

Many are unclear about baptism. For instance, there is not just one baptism spoken of in scripture, but three. There is the baptism that saves us by the baptism of blood. There is the baptism of water and there is the baptism of the Holy Spirit.


The baptism of salvation is not recognized by most churchs as actual baptism. But that does not mean it is not baptism. There is only one baptism that saves a man and it is the baptism of blood. The scripture below explains that the water baptism is the figure of the baptism that saves us. When we get baptized in water, we do nothing that pertains to the putting away of the flesh, but it gives us a good conscience towards God.

1 Peter 3:21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:

In these verses, it talks about being baptized into Christ, not being baptized in the name of Chirst. We are baptized into Christ when we are born again. This is the first baptism. If one does not recieve this baptism, one cannot recieve the baptism of the Holy Spirit because the temple must be sanctified by blood and made Holy before God will put his Spirit into it.

Romans 6:3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?

4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.

5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:

6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.

7 For he that is dead is freed from sin.

8 Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him:

9 Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him.

10 For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God.

11 Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.

1 Corinthians 12:13 For in one Spirit we were all baptized into one body, whether Jews or Greeks, whether bond or free; and were all given to drink into one Spirit.

Ephesians 4:5 one Lord, one faith, one baptism,


In these verses it shows the relationship of the blood of Jesus to salvation.

Romans 3:25 whom God set forth to be an atoning sacrifice, through faith in his blood, for a demonstration of his righteousness through the passing over of prior sins, in God's forbearance;

Romans 5:9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we will be saved from God's wrath through him.

Ephesians 1:7 in whom we have our redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of our trespasses, according to the riches of his grace,

Ephesians 2:13 But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far off are made near in the blood of Christ.

Colossians 1:14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:

Hebrews 9:21 Moreover he sprinkled the tabernacle and all the vessels of the ministry in like manner with the blood.

Hebrews 9:22 According to the law, nearly everything is cleansed with blood, and apart from shedding of blood there is no remission.

Hebrews 11:28 By faith, he kept the Passover, and the sprinkling of the blood, that the destroyer of the firstborn should not touch them.

Hebrews 12:24 to Jesus, the mediator of a new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling that speaks better than that of Abel.

Hebrews 13:20 Now may the God of peace, who brought again from the dead the great shepherd of the sheep with the blood of an eternal covenant, our Lord Jesus,

1 Peter 1:2 according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, in sanctification of the Spirit, that you may obey Jesus Christ and be sprinkled with his blood: Grace to you and peace be multiplied.


The second baptism is the baptism of water. It is found throughout the New Testament and all who recieve it were baptized in the name of Jesus. It is

Acts 8:16 for as yet he had fallen on none of them. They had only been baptized in the name of Christ Jesus.

Acts 10:48 He commanded them to be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ. Then they asked him to stay some days.


The third baptism is the baptism of the Holy Spirit.

Matthew 28:19 Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations; baptize them into the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit;

Acts 1:5 For John indeed baptized in water, but you will be baptized in the Holy Spirit not many days from now."

Acts 1:8 But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.


Acts 2:1 And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place.

2 And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting.

3 And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them.

4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.


Acts 11:16 I remembered the word of the Lord, how he said,'John indeed baptized in water, but you will be baptized in the Holy Spirit.'



IMPORTANT: To do this study, it will take time, but upon completion, will open the scriptures to you as never before. Things that you read and did not understand now begins making sense.

What you have to do is take index cards. On each card will be one scripture. Firstly, on a sheet of paper, write down every scripture that pertains to salvation. Then on another sheet of paper, write down every scripture that pertains to baptisms. Then on another sheet of paper, write down every scripture that pertains to the blood of the lamb. Stick with the New Testament only. That is all you will need. Once you have gathered all scripture, put a verse on an index card. By the time you get finished, you will have many. What you are trying to do is distinguish what scriptures pertain to as ONE baptism. So basically, you will be trying to sort what pertains to the baptism of salvation which is the first baptism. You will be trying to distinguish what pertains to water baptism which is symbolic of the baptism that saves us and is the second baptism and you will be trying to distinguish the baptism of the Holy Ghost which is the third baptism and is the baptism given on the day of Pentecost.


Now comes the tough part. This is where you need to pray for the Lord to guide you. You have to start sorting what scriptures are related. This will take much time and you will probably go back and forth for some time.

One important note: There is a difference between being baptized into Christ and being baptized in the name of Christ. This is important to remember when doing the study. Examine each word. For there is a difference between into Christ and in the name of Christ.
 

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Why do believers want to rob salvation of the blood that saves them? Do you not understand the importance of the blood. Without the blood, there would be not remission of sins. What is more important, water or blood? The church for too long has turned it's back on the blood of the lamb. It is time to change this. For the power is in the blood of the lamb.




Heb. 9:22 And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission.

Acts 20:28 Take heed, therefore, to yourselves, and to all the flock, in which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers, to shepherd the assembly of the Lord and God which he purchased with his own blood.

Romans 3:25 whom God set forth to be an atoning sacrifice, through faith in his blood, for a demonstration of his righteousness through the passing over of prior sins, in God's forbearance;

Ephesians 1:7 in whom we have our redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of our trespasses, according to the riches of his grace,

Ephesians 2:13 But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far off are made near in the blood of Christ.

Colossians 1:14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:

Colossians 1:20 and through him to reconcile all things to himself, by him, whether things on the earth, or things in the heavens, having made peace through the blood of his cross.

Hebrews 9:12 nor yet through the blood of goats and calves, but through his own blood, entered in once for all into the Holy Place, having obtained eternal redemption.

Hebrews 9:13 For if the blood of goats and bulls, and the ashes of a heifer sprinkling those who have been defiled, sanctify to the cleanness of the flesh:

Hebrews 9:14 how much more will the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without blemish to God, cleanse your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?

Hebrews 12:24 to Jesus, the mediator of a new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling that speaks better than that of Abel.

Hebrews 13:12 Therefore Jesus also, that he might sanctify the people through his own blood, suffered outside of the gate.

1 Peter 1:2 according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, in sanctification of the Spirit, that you may obey Jesus Christ and be sprinkled with his blood: Grace to you and peace be multiplied.

1 Peter 1:19 but with precious blood, as of a faultless and pure lamb, the blood of Christ;

1 John 1:7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus Christ, his Son, cleanses us from all sin.

Revelation 7:14 I told him, "My lord, you know." He said to me, "These are those who came out of the great tribulation. They washed their robes, and made them white in the Lamb's blood.

Revelation 12:11 They overcame him because of the Lamb's blood, and because of the word of their testimony. They didn't love their life, even to death.
 
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Here is the question. In the bible, it speaks of one baptism.

Ephesians 4:5 one Lord, one faith, one baptism,





Most believe this to refer to water baptism. Yet, is this baptism, this is referring to? And how is it, it speaks of one baptism, yet scripture plainly reveals there is more then one baptism.

Matt. 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

Hebrews 6:2 Of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment.
 
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Here is the question. In the bible, it speaks of one baptism.

Ephesians 4:5 one Lord, one faith, one baptism,





Most believe this to refer to water baptism. Yet, is this baptism, this is referring to? And how is it, it speaks of one baptism, yet scripture plainly reveals there is more then one baptism.

Matt. 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

Hebrews 6:2 Of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment.

That is a really oddly worded question.

But as far as I can comprehend this question.

Answer is: Water.

God Bless

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HisWord---

All of my christians friends got born again this way. They prayed and asked Jesus to forgive them of their sins after they repented. Then they asked for the Holy Spirit to come into their hearts. (Generally that was it).

The differences were: My husband saw a vision after he got the Holy Spirit. Some of my friends felt a strong joy ;others spoke in tongues. God deals with us in an very individual way and has no cookie cutter way of saving us - He is creative in His ways obviously. Look at His creation that we see.

The Holy Spirit gives one the power to live a christian life because without it we can't. Our human spirits have no power to do this because we are in the fallen flesh.
 
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HisWordIsMySword,

I want to thank you and encourage you in what you wrote.

I recognize there are a lot of Christians that have not explored this topic and some are a bit confused.

In the flesh we baptize with water. The scriptures tell us that John the Baptist clearly stated that Christ would baptize with the Holy Spirit (which is far greater).

Water baptism (since we exist in the flesh) is a declaration of our belief in Christ as presented to the Body of Christ. It is a commandment that we follow.

When we die to the flesh (as represented in baptism), we become one in 'Spirit' and with/in the Body of Christ.

This is the 'One' Baptism spoken of in scripture. It is represented through water by humans, but is not to be confused with the perfect meaning behind this and what the 'One' Bapitsm references in scripture.

May you be blessed and continue in your studies and I thank you for sharing these here. Hugs.
 
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So, embracinghim, you are in agreement with this poster? Are you also a oneness advocate? You deny the Trinity, etc.?

Why do you always accuse people of being this or that?

Romans 14:22
So whatever you believe about these things keep between yourself and God. Blessed is the man who does not condemn himself by what he approves.

As for the OP..

I believe the Baptism is from God, and that God, by His Holy Spirit will cause the believer to be Baptised with water as an outward sign of what has ALREADY happened internally :)
 
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Why do you always accuse people of being this or that?

It's not an accusation, he openly claims it. Why do you keep accusing me? Seems you've been mad at me every since I refuted your perfection ideas. :scratch:
 
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Ohhh!

So then, you were already aware of this..?

What's the point of pointing that out?

What good does it do?

2 Corinthians 12:19
Again, think ye that we excuse ourselves unto you? we speak before God in Christ: but we do all things, dearly beloved, for your edifying.
 
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Ohhh!

So then, you were already aware of this..?

What's the point of pointing that out?

What good does it do?

2 Corinthians 12:19
Again, think ye that we excuse ourselves unto you? we speak before God in Christ: but we do all things, dearly beloved, for your edifying.

Zeena, Zeena, slow down. This is not a secret. He's openly shared this on this forum. He is an advocate of his view on oneness theology. His desire is to debate the issue. The problem is, he's doing it in the wrong place. This is why we were joking about the question thing. <snipped to avoid further escalation>
 
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Hello friend, i will make this quick.....The guy who was on the cross next to Jesus....He recieved salvation, and yet he was not baptized with water. The Bible as you said says that their is One baptism.....yes, technically there is mor ethan one baptism, but only one is necessary for salvation, and that is the baptism of The Holy Spirit! God Bless! amen.
 
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Zeena, Zeena, slow down. This is not a secret. He's openly shared this on this forum.
But, your basically informing everyone that what he teaches is what? Oneness? What's that? And, from your tone, I gather you deem it heretical, and so warn people to prevent anyone from listening to him by BRANDING him?

You make it sound as if there is no Truth in Him!

He has already stated [IN THIS VERY THREAD I MIGHT ADD!] Christ Jesus dwells richly in him..
1 John 4:2
Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:
1 Corinthians 12:3
Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost.

The foundation stands, and the Holy Spirit will be the One to lead him into all truth! :)
You don't have to worry about defending any Christians Calminian! God Himself fights for them! :swoon:
Luke 12:24-26
Consider the ravens: for they neither sow nor reap; which neither have storehouse nor barn; and God feedeth them: how much more are ye better than the fowls? And which of you with taking thought can add to his stature one cubit? If ye then be not able to do that thing which is least, why take ye thought for the rest?
He is an advocate of his view on oneness theology.
So what? I'm not Catholic, but do you hear me teaching that Caholics should be avoided? NO! We are ONE BODY IN CHRIST JESUS no matter WHAT our denomination! =P

His desire is to debate the issue.
He's not the one who brought this up..
Is this debate being carried over from another thread mayhaps? :scratch:
The problem is, he's doing it in the wrong place.
Have you noticed, this converstaion is nowhere NEAR the OP..Which btw, I will reply, yet again to.. When I'm finished ranting! haha!
This is why we were joking about the question thing.
I was asking an honest question, you might have been joking, not considering a persons feelings, but I assure you I was not!
Sheesh you're sensitive!
So is the Holy Spirit in me, what's your point?
Not to mention full of accusations,which of course you&#8217;ve falsely accused me of several times (ehem).
Anyone else here see anything false in me?
[Besides you Calminian! :LOL:]

I happen to appreciate his posts for thier own merit!
So please, let the man speak!
And, if you have something to say about the posts, it'd be welcome I'm sure! :)
 
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Zeena, Zeena, slow down. This is not a secret. He's openly shared this on this forum. He is an advocate of his view on oneness theology. His desire is to debate the issue. The problem is, he's doing it in the wrong place. This is why we were joking about the question thing. <snipped to avoid further escalation>

I actually tried to edit this last part immediately, but my internet connection wasn't working and I couldn't. :doh: I'm never going to here the end of it!
 
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Here is the question. In the bible, it speaks of one baptism.

Ephesians 4:5 one Lord, one faith, one baptism,





Most believe this to refer to water baptism. Yet, is this baptism, this is referring to? And how is it, it speaks of one baptism, yet scripture plainly reveals there is more then one baptism.

Matt. 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

Hebrews 6:2 Of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment.

The Baptism into Jesus Christ is when we are placed in Him, and emmerse ourselves in Him! Thus being not only covered by His Blood, but also by His very Life!

For in Him, we Live and move and have our being!!! :D

He is our Righteousness
He is our Life

He is our EVERYTHING! :D
 
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