This bugs me...the chosen people

Henaynei

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Not to mention the question they asked of him in the verse right before that one, Acts 1:6, "When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel?"
For which they were not rebuked...
only he said, "It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the father has put in his own power."
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God chose the jewish people to work out his salvation through them. Why would God need to chose "A" people. Isn't our God big enough to chose all people? And wouldnt' that make more sense:sigh:

Do not be jealous that The Living God chose the Hebrew people in which to introduce salvation unto the Earth. To this day they are the most hated people in the world. Every gift that God gives an individual, other people will be jealous of that gift; And so it is with our Saviour sadly enough. Those people were so zealous (note: I didn't write JEALOUS here) for God's love and to know Him that they did not love their own lives and it is only such as these that are called to be His people.

No matter what color, creed, financial situation, none of it matters as long as God, the Father of Christ Jesus is first and foremost on your list of life loves; All other things will be added unto you.

And to answer the original post's question more simply:

God created diversity to give the entire world something to conquer together; And in this conquering we are once again united and will be forever. In creating diversity, He had to choose a people/tribe/nationality in which to bring forth the one true message for the human race (the whole human race), His creation to come through. And so He chose one. And to erase one's jealousy of that people He chose (Jews/Hebrews); Simply look at all the hell they had to live through to attain it and count your many blessings.

God bless,
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I see three, actually.

I see a nation of the past of this world, which God said of old He would destroy, which He did destroy.

I see a nation today of this world, which God did not say He would create, which these days is trying to prevent people from serving the Christ of God according to the commandment.

And I see an Israel which once comprised part of a nation of this world, but is no longer.

Two of these are much the same. The third is very different.
 
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G-d said He would punish but not destroy Israel - G-d said His covenant with Israel was an "ever-lasting" covenant, was "all generations" and was "Forever" - beware - G-d used very similar language in setting in place the covenant on which You depend for salvation - If G-d's forever and ever-lasting and all don't mean what they say, If G-d can change His mind and forever end and ever-lasting doesn't last and all only means some .... on what then can any of us depend?
 
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God's covenant with man states that the seed of Abraham would be in number of the "stars in the sky" and the "sands of the sea", so where are all these people at? God also said that they would possess the gates of their enemies and live on the fat of the land.....more clues....
There were 12 tribes of Israel and 10 of those where absorbed into the Gentile nations and it just so happen that the 10 lost tribes, the lost sheep of Israel, were headed by the firstborn of God, Ephraim. It was Ephraim, and Mannaseh, partially, that received the covenant from Jacob as it passed on. However, a special blessing from God was given to Judah, Jacob saying that the sceptre of leadership or position of King would always be with Judah (Gen. 49:10).
Who is Israel, today? Well Paul quotes Hosea's prophecy that was given to the house of Israel which was those 10 tribes that God rended away from Solomon and the rest of Israel which was Judah and a few families from each of the tribes who has intermarried with them. Hosea says that they would be "loammi" for a time, not realizing their heritage as God's chosen people after they were scattered into and absorbed by the Gentile nations - even worshipping foreign gods, but God says that there would be the time that they would come forth as "sons of the Living God". The Sons of the Living God are those people that Jesus called and who heard and responded to His voice.
So, do we really know who the "chosen" people are if we are Christians that have heard and responded to the voice of Jesus, following after Him? How many of us knows our lineage, that we might not just be related to one of thse 10 lost tribes who were not named "Jews" after the house of Judah, but were Israelites - sons of Jacob? We are Israel who confess the Lord Jesus Christ, whether grafted in or natural branch, as God warns us to not be proud against the natural branches who were divorced from God. That divorce no longer stands, though, as Jesus died upon the cross and is able to remarry any, having died and then come alive again in the resurrection. We, too, count ourselves as dead at the cross and now alive in Christ.

Jeremiah 31:9 They shall come with weeping, and with supplications will I lead them: I will cause them to walk by the rivers of waters in a straight way, wherein they shall not stumble: for I am a father to Israel, and Ephraim is my firstborn.

Hebrews 12:23 To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,

Amos 9:9 "For surely I will command, And will sift the house of Israel among all nations, As grain is sifted in a sieve; Yet not the smallest grain shall fall to the ground.

Deut.28:64 YHVH will scatter you among all peoples, from one end of the earth to the other end of the earth; and there you shall serve other gods, wood and stone, which you or your fathers have not known.

Hosea 1:9 Then God said: "Call his name Lo-Ammi, For you are not My people, And I will not be your God.
10 "Yet the number of the children of Israel Shall be as the sand of the sea, Which cannot be measured or numbered. And it shall come to pass In the place where it was said to them, ‘You are not My people,’ There it shall be said to them, ‘You are sons of the living God.’
11 Then shall the children of Judah and the children of Israel be gathered together, and appoint themselves one head, and they shall come up out of the land: for great shall be the day of Jezreel.

Matthew 15:24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

Hebrews 12:23 To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,

Gen. 48:18 And Joseph said unto his father, Not so, my father: for this is the firstborn; put thy right hand upon his head.
19 And his father refused, and said, I know it, my son, I know it: he also shall become a people, and he also shall be great: but truly his younger brother shall be greater than he, and his seed shall become a multitude of nations.
20 And he blessed them that day, saying, In thee shall Israel bless, saying, God make thee as Ephraim and as Manasseh: and he set Ephraim before Manasseh.

Ge 49:10 The sceptre shall not depart from Judah, nor a lawgiver from between his feet, until Shiloh come; and unto him shall the gathering of the people be.

Isa 11:11 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the Lord shall set his hand again the second time to recover the remnant of his people, which shall be left, from Assyria, and from Egypt, and from Pathros, and from Cush, and from Elam, and from Shinar, and from Hamath, and from the islands of the sea. 12 And he shall set up an ensign for the nations, and shall assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth.
13 The envy also of Ephraim shall depart, and the adversaries of Judah shall be cut off: Ephraim shall not envy Judah, and Judah shall not vex Ephraim. 14 But they shall fly upon the shoulders of the Philistines toward the west; they shall spoil them of the east together: they shall lay their hand upon Edom and Moab; and the children of Ammon shall obey them.
 
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Please don't think that God favors people of a certain heritage more than other because that is simply not the case.

Amen RainbowPrism. May you continue thirsting and hungering after God's love, light and His righteousness.

PEACE,
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Which covenant? 'the original' was made by Yahweh as a covenant He made unilaterally (i.e. one party covenanted) I think.
If so, no man could "break" it, could they ?
Rather a good point, Jeff. Given that the Old Covenant was indeed unilaterally given, the Hebrews did not break it: they simply incurred the consequences written into the covenant, of violation of its commandments.

It is interesting to note that in the last seventeen hundred years or so, all of the consequences stated by God as required for disobedience to the commandments of the Old Covenant, have occurred to the Hebrew people of the world. Some of them are quoted below. The Scriptural text has quite a lot more.
"But if you will not obey the voice of the LORD your God or be careful to do all his commandments and his statutes that I command you today, then all these curses shall come upon you and overtake you. Cursed shall you be in the city, and cursed shall you be in the field. Cursed shall be your basket and your kneading bowl. Cursed shall be the fruit of your womb and the fruit of your ground, the increase of your herds and the young of your flock. Cursed shall you be when you come in, and cursed shall you be when you go out. "The LORD will send on you curses, confusion, and frustration in all that you undertake to do, until you are destroyed and perish quickly on account of the evil of your deeds, because you have forsaken me.
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"The LORD will cause you to be defeated before your enemies. You shall go out one way against them and flee seven ways before them. And you shall be a horror to all the kingdoms of the earth.
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A nation that you have not known shall eat up the fruit of your ground and of all your labors, and you shall be only oppressed and crushed continually, so that you are driven mad by the sights that your eyes see.
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"All these curses shall come upon you and pursue you and overtake you till you are destroyed, because you did not obey the voice of the LORD your God, to keep his commandments and his statutes that he commanded you.

(Deuteronomy 28:15-45)
 
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See Hebrews, in particular 8:6, 8:9 and 9:15.
Messianic Jews (aka Hebrews)
[FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]8:8 For G-d does find fault with the people when he says, "'See! The days are coming,' says AD-NAI, 'when I will establish over the house of Isra'el and over the house of Y'hudah a new covenant. [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]8:9 "'It will not be like the covenant which I made with their fathers on the day when I took them by their hand and led them forth out of the land of Egypt; because they, for their part, did not remain faithful to my covenant; so I, for my part, stopped concerning myself with them,' says AD-NAI. [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]8:10 "'For this is the covenant which I will make with the house of Isra'el after those days,' says AD-NAI: 'I will put my Torah in their minds and write it on their hearts; I will be their G-d, and they will be my people. [/FONT]


What we see here is that G-d will renew the covenant of the Torah/Law with Israel! :) This aligns with the harmony of scripture for HaShem said repeatedly in the T'NaKah (aka OT) that His covenant with Israel was Forever! Remember, that the original covenant, the Avrahamic covenant, HaShem caused Avraham to sleep, thus G-d took the entire burden of maintaining the covenant upon himself and the maintenence of the covenant had nothing to do with the actions of Avraham or his offspring - it was all on HaShem...
 
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