Why Are We Still Cursed?

because those are consequences, not sin itself. I can kill someone and the person I kill their family can forgive me, God can forgive me, but that doesn't bring them back to life..see the point? In other words I'd say a little like justice...

Peacebestill,

God created man with work for him in mind. that's why Adam was told to tend the garden. but such work was not cursed in the sense that Adam wld enjoy it with no "sweat and hardship."

The sweat and hardship part came in after he sinned. tats the curse, not the work itself.

Today, Christ has redeemed us from the curses. But the manifestation of any blessings dont fall automatically in your life just becos you are a Christian. You've got to know it believe it and claim it in faith.

So work we all have too. But the "sweat and strife" from work we dont have too have if we know what belongs to us.

You dont wanna go about calling yourself cursed for starters. I know lots of people who love to work and enjoy it too

"Today, Christ has redeemed us from the curses. But the manifestation of any blessings dont fall automatically in your life just becos you are a Christian. You've got to know it believe it and claim it in faith. "

No, christians still have to work hard and sweat to get ahead too

Yeah... but it's a good kind of hard work and sweat...

LOL, yup, like I did today in the summer heat painting my house

That's good Kerry. Also God cannot bless what He has already cursed.

Andrew,
yes exaclty.

In elaboration; the closer you come to God, the less this curse affects us. When you focuss your eyes on Him, the evil of this world won't have as much of a hold on you. It can't leverage you as much as it can with other people. You will still run into some hardship, as God still needs to redirect us sometimes, but you will prevail in the end and become a much greater person because of these hardships....if you so choose.

Because everytime someone is born more sin enters the world.

 can we start all over again? got lost somewhere in the middle

louise does that mean that if someone believed enough they could have a totally painless childbirth?! cool! I like it.. Im going to start claiming that one in faith! (either that or opt for and epidural hehe! )

I believe that biblically we can look at this for both angles.

1. We are set free.



John 8:32
32 and you will know the truth, and the truth will make you free."
(NAU)

Rom 8:2
2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has set you free from the law of sin and of death.
(NAU)

God heals. We are now Children of God and many times we are blessed without having to work. Heck much sickness can be elleviated if Christians would have faith in God and claim the healing that God has for us. There are so many miracously healings in the Bible. Lazarus, Blind man in John 9, etc. that it is clear from the Bible that God does heal and tht God wants to heal. Also it is clear that God has blessings for us here on Earth that we can't fathom. Heck many that we do nothing for at all. Sometimes if we would just be obedient we would fall on more earthly blessings but many times we are not so we do not.

However...

2. Sometimes it does not work that way. I think of Paul. He definitely was a Godly man. Before heas a Christian he had a relatively safe life but after He started to do what the Lord commanded he was stoned, Shipwrecked, tortured, put into prison, etc. Did all this occur because He was no obedient? or how about The blind man in John 9


John 9:2-3
2 And His disciples asked Him, "Rabbi, who sinned, this man or his parents, that he would be born blind?"
3 Jesus answered, "{It was} neither {that} this man sinned, nor his parents; but {it was} so that the works of God might be displayed in him.
(NAU)

So it is no always because of disobedience that we do not have wealth, health and that we do not have to work. Many times sufferring in this worldis for the glory of God. Now God did not cause it to occur but He did in His sovereign will allow it to occur. He uses everything for His glory. (rom. 8:28) We know that Jesus got hungry and thisty and experienced emotional pain on Earth. He was totured and killed. I do not know how we can expect not to endure some pain and work if we want to share in Jesus' sufferring. (Phil. 3)

So in conclusion I believe that sufferring and work in this world is not always a sign of sin or disobedience or a lack of faith but it is not always just God allowing it to occur so that He can gain more glory. It is sometimes either of the two. And maybe a combination of both. I feel that we get in trouble when we say that God has to act this certain way.  True God is always just and loving and such but in the particular God's ways go beyond ours so to say God has to do it this way is going way to far in my opinion.  God will do it the way He wants to do it. 

1 Cor 12:11
11 But one and the same Spirit works all these things, distributing to each one individually just as He wills.
(NAU)

I believe that we must pray continually and get our inward life in order by giving it over to God in complete submission. Then we will be able to discern why things occur the way they do many times and if not we can have faith that God is in control and that it is all for His glory.

Blackhawk

**note** I just got finished reading a book that had two chapters dealing with this subject.  It is called a Sacred Quest. By Doug Bannister.  He is an Evangelical Free Church pastor who has embraced some Charimatic teachings.  In this an another book.  The Word and Power Church he displays how both the evangelical and Charismatic traditions are in many ways correct and how we need to come together and learn from each other. I say this because I undoubtedly this book was on my mind a lot while wrinting this post.  ****

The Bible tells us to seek ye first, the Kingdom of God and His righteousness and He shall provide for all we need. Paul advises us that if we have the opportunity to work with our hands, than do so heartly as onto the Lord, so we have something to help others with. All we do, say or think, should honor God and glorify Him. Jesus went about doing good and helping others. He always honored the Father.

God gives us a choice: life or death, blessing or curse, sickness or health. He encourages us to choose life, blessing and health.

According to scripture , the curse that you speak of was removed after the Flood of Noah’s day.

No'ah. Heb., No'ach, probably, Rest; Consolation

Lamech spoke of the need for relief “from the pain of our hands resulting from the ground which God has cursed.” (Gen. 5:29) Lamech prophesied that relief from that curse would come in the days of Noah, and it did. How relieved Noah and his family must have felt after the Flood as they came out of the ark onto a cleansed earth! How comforting to find that the curse on the ground had been lifted, making agricultural activity so much easier! Indeed, Lamech’s prophecy proved true, and Noah lived up to the meaning of his name. Genesis 8:21.