Do Creationist ever get tired of making excuses for Creationism?
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No, Creationist don't get tired of making excuses because they are scared the devil will get them otherwise.
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Magnus Vile
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I have seen his stuff. He lies more easily than most people breath.
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Kent Hovind has claimed the Islets of Langerhans "meet in the nipples." Kent Hovind has claimed that the Speed of the Light coming from the headlamps of a car doing 50 miles per hour was C + 50mph.
Kent Hovind has also claimed to have been a science teacher. Kent Hovind knows less about science than a flock of flat earthers.
Seriously, if that's the source of your knowledge, you need to move up.
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I am a creationist and I am tired of evolutionists making up excuses. I am also tired of evolutionists arrogantly acting as if their theory is a proven fact and thinking that anyone that disagrees with them is a stupid hatemonger. Just the geologic column disproves evolution. Finnaly, I am tired of them being so pushy about what they believe, if I don't belive it then I don't belive it, what's it to you?
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TemperateSeaIsland
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I think you mean the geological column falsifies common ancestry within the ToE because evolution (the change of alleles in a population over time) is an observation so cant really be falsified. Still how does the geological column falsify the ToE or common ancestry?
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Scientists don't need excuses. If we come to something we don't know, we admit it. If we come to something we don't know and have a possible explanation for it, we state as much and detail the possibility as well as we can. If we have something supported by evidence, we state as much.
Where are the so-called excuses in that process? Where, in fact, is there any need for excuses?
Evolution is both theory and fact. We know that evolution happens and have observed evolution to the point of speciation in the lab and in the wild. The theory of evolution and universal common descent is an extremely well-evidenced theory, and that's usually enough for the label of "fact" by laymen. Until there's a change in the evidence, and a fairly big change at that, evolution is by far the most likely explanation for the current diversity of life on the planet.
ok, shoot: how does the geological column in any way disprove evolution. If you can show this, by the way, you'd probably be receiving the next Nobel prize for toppling a bad branch of science.
Of course, this will never happen because I rather suspect that you don't know much about geology or how it ties in with evolutionary theory compared to a large number of geologists/geophysicists/life scientists who post here, and your argument will be utterly refuted.
Doesn't personally bother me what you believe as long as you don't lie about science to try and twist it to match your beliefs or try to push for your beliefs to be taught as science. Either of those will get a reaction from me, but living your own life with your own beliefs is fine from my perspective.
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Warrior of Thor
I refuse to waste a single second of my time with anything that's mentioned along with hoover's nonsense.
Now before anyone starts claiming that I don't know what I'm talking about, I've taken in the whole of hoover's "seminars" some time ago. It would be amusing if the twit wouldn't be serious about it. An endless parade of lies and nonsense.
You know what, Exo? The proper source for learning about science is... science class. I strongly suggest you try that instead of creationist nonsense propaganda. Once you actually know what you're talking about, it's time to seriously have a chat. Until then... stop wasting everyone's time. Trying to learn about evolution from hoover is akin to learning about capitalism by reading Marx, or about the Jewish faith by reading mein kampf. Hoover is a moron who doesn't even know the most simple basics of science, and this is painfully obvious to anyone who ever saw a classroom from the inside.
(I should add that a good library with a decently filled science shelf will do too, for those who are too old to go back to school...)
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Warrior of Thor
I'd say that your brain size (or IQ) doesn't really matter that much anyway, though one often gets the feeling that you mustn't have a very high IQ to accept creationist dogma *cough cough*. It's much more about how you use your brain, what sources of information you use et al.
Most of the creationists around, even the most rabid ones, are probably not what one would call "stupid". They are "just" totally misinformed and think there's no need to even contemplate that they might miss something.
Sad, this.
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Warrior of Thor
Okay.
http://www.geocities.com/SouthBeach/Pier/1766/hovindlies/
While the site is called "creationist lies", it's all about hoover's "seminars". I'll concede that some of the author's comments are very harsh, and to some of them I don't agree, but by and large this is a fitting... well... essay on his nonsense. Hoover gets what he deserves there.
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Warrior of Thor
Good job *cough cough*.
Now all you need to once and for all destroy evilution(TM) and thus prove that creationism is true (after all, there are only these two options, right?
) is that one elusive thing I've never seen coming from any creationist......called evidence.
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What makes you think I haven't?
I've been fascinated by the creation/evolution debate for nine years now, and since the beginning I've seen creationists gush over Hovind. I've perused (and answered) his list of questions evolutionists can't answer, I've read his updated version of the Chick tract "Big Daddy?" (and what a magnificent bit of authorship that was), and I've listened to his $250,000 offer more times than I can count. It's because I am familiar with the man's material that I'm so confident when I call him a profligate liar.
Now, if you'd like to take one or two of his claims that you find particularly compelling and post them here, we can discuss the arguments without bringing up their originator. But all you're doing right now is saying, "Check out Kent Hovind! Isn't he cool?" to which the only appropriate response is: no, he's not, he's a convicted felon.
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Actually, I think your version is a little more accurate. Evolutionists are always searching for answers and rejecting their own hypotheses: that's what science is all about. And evolutionists do need an imagination: imagination is what helps them take pieces of data and develop a workable theory out of them. Creationists don't need any imagination at all to shout "God did it!" in response to every question.
And it's fortunate that creationism doesn't require its adherents to be very imaginative. Did you notice that your post pretty much exactly repeated what was said in the fourth post in this thread?
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Baggins
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Nothing, as long as you aren't pushing for it to be taught in science lessons at schools I couldn't care less.
Also as a geologist of 23 years experience have never heard anyone claim that the geological record is anything other than supportive of the theory of evolution. Would you care to enlighten me as to why you think it is counter to evolutionary theory, and also give any academic credentials you may have to strengthen your claim.
If you just read it on a creationist web site and repeated it without checking your facts, well......
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Psudopod
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Okay, why don't you start by putting up what you think is Hovind's best argument, and we'll say whay it's wrong. Let's discuss the issue rather than the man, as you said.
Scientist work by examining things. However, when something has worked (there are people making money out of evolutionary theory), and no one has presented any credible counter evidence, then what do you expect them do.
Please elobrate. What is rubbish and why?
Then show us. I'm all ears, certainly.
Scientist work by examining things. However, when something has worked (there are people making money out of evolutionary theory), and no one has presented any credible counter evidence, then what do you expect them do.
Please elobrate. What is rubbish and why?
Then show us. I'm all ears, certainly.
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Not me --- I answer the same questions with the same answers, then sit back and watch you people whine that we use the same old pat answers all the time. I love it!
See below.
Sounds like the Scientific Method in progress, eh?
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Warrior of Thor
Yeah right. I'm so ignorant that I fought myself through the entire heap of nonsense hoover calls "seminars". I did that just so I wouldn't know afterwards what he babbles. Riiiiiight.
Translation: "While I'm accusing you of being ignorant, I don't care to know myself".
If irony caused pain to its victims, you'd be screaming all day long.
Oh well. Spout your nonsense all you want, you'll only do the work of "us unbelievers" by acting that dishonest and willfully ignorant. I won't bother any further.
*PLONK*
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