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Split from another thread.

Coincidental similarities between the OC/NC of the Bible and the Koran.
Jews and Muslims both are welcome to discuss this. Peace and Shalom.

As Salaamu Alaykum


Any reader of The Quraan that is familiar with The Old Testament , Or The New Testament , Discovers that the names and events of The Books And Prophets have been definitely copied in The Qur'aan . This post will prove to you that Muslims stole the bulk of their religion , And their language from The Jews or Christians , or other cultures that predate them . Yet , They will argue with you and try to convince you that Islam and its so-called scriptures , The Qur'aan is authentic . When in fact , I can give you several Words and Customs that was stolent from The Jews , For example , The ceremony of The Circumcision ( Genesis 17 ; 10 ) Was stolen from The Jews , The concept of Holy Day called Sabbath ( Genesis 2 ; 2 -3 ) Was stolen from The Jews , And called Jum'ah < atabic > ( Qur'aan , Chapter 62 ) by The Muslims .

The concept of A Turbaan or Prayer Cap . , Which The Muslims call A Kuffa , Came from The Jewish Yamaka or Yarmulke , The concepts of The Muslim Kalimat Tawhiyd ( Quraan 47 ; 19 ) Was stolen from The Jews Shama Yishrael < aramic > '' Hear Oh Israel '' ( Dueteronomy 6 ; 4 ) or ( Dueteronomy 4 ; 35 ) Where they stole their Kalimat , Laa Ilaaha Illa Allah < arabic > ( Qur'aan 47 ; 19 ) And this was carried over to Christianity ( Mark 12 ; 29 ) , And that's where Muslims borrowed it from .

They stole the concept of Fasting from The Jews ( Nehemiah 9 ; 1 ) . The concept of Alms Giving ( Qur'aan 4 ; 162 ) , Their concept of making Hajj ( Ezra 3 ; 4 , 6 ; 22 ) .
What most Muslims don't even know is that their whole concept of The Pilgrimage to their Holy Temple , A Cube shaped building ( Ka'aba ) In Mecca , Which they call The Hajj . and the person who completes The Pilgrimage is called a Hajji , Is a word duplicated from the name of Prophet Haggai and The Festive Khaf Or Hag < aramic >
( Exodus 12 ; 14 ) .

This is when the children of Israel in The Book Of Ezra make a Pilgrimage out of Babylonian Captivity , To return to the holy land back to the Temple Of Solomon , The Holy Of Holies , The most sacred building on earth to them . Its the exact same story , Even the same titles ; They stole the concept of wearing The Ihraam from The Jews who took it from The Ancient Egyptian practice of Priests of Amun Ra , The concept of The Story Of Nimrod ( Qur'aan 2 ; 258 ) Was copied from The Jewish Narrative of The Mishnah From The Midrash Rabba , Chapter 17 ,

The concept of wearing The Face Veil , Khimaar < arabic > ( Genesis 24 ; 65 ) And wearing sweet smelling Oils Qituwrah < arabic > Meaning '' Sweet Fragrance '' From Qehtoret < aramic > And burning incense ( Exodus 30 ; 7 , 23 , 34 ) ; And they also stole words like Sawkar Meaning '' Strong Drink '' From The Hebrews , And changed it to Sakhraan Meaning '' Drink '' The House = Bayt Of Lord ( Qur'aan 106 ; 3 ) Stolen from the Hebrew Beth < aramic > The word Rabb < arabic > Meaning '' Master Or Sustainer '' From Rabb < aramic > The word Jannah < arabic > From The Aramic / Hebrew Gan ,

The word Sama'a or Samaawaati < arabic > , From The Aramic / Hebrew '' Shamayim '' Meaning '' The Skies '' The Word Ard <arabic > ,Taken from The Aramic / Hebrew Ehrets , Meaning '' The Earth , Land , '' Baab < Arabic > From The Aramic / Hebrew Bawb , Meaning '' Door '' Aba < arabic > From The Aramic / Hebrew word Ab , Meaning Father , '' Malak , < arabic > Fromn The Aramic / Hebrew Melek < aramic > Meaning '' King Or Ruler , '' Yad < arabic > From The Aramic / Hebrew word Yawd < aramic > Meaning '' Hand ''

Amiyn < aramic > . Amen , '' Mu'minun < arabic > , Mu'minaati < arabic > , El Mu'min < Arabic > Etc . One of Allahs Attributes ( 6th ) Was stolen from The Aramic / Hebrew Awmane . Meaning To Have Faith , '' El Bariyu < arabic > , The 12th Attribibute , Meaning '' The Fashioner '' From The Aramic / Hebrew '' Bara '' , Meaning '' To Replenish '' Al Musawwiru < arabic > The Fashioner ,

From The Aramic / Hebrew Tsawr , Meaning '' To Make '' All of The Attributes of Arabic Was Stolen From Hebrew ; Including Salaam < arabic > Islaam < arabic > , Muslim < arabic > All came from The Aramic / Hebrew word Shalom < aramic > Meaning '' Peace ''
 

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Let me have a go at this:


Any reader of The Quraan that is familiar with The Old Testament , Or The New Testament , Discovers that the names and events of The Books And Prophets have been definitely copied in The Qur'aan .

Definetely?

Everytime a somebody come out with "certain things related in the OT/NT that is similiar to the Quran," gives me a penny I will be rich.



This post will prove to you that Muslims stole the bulk of their religion , And their language from The Jews or Christians , or other cultures that predate them . Yet ,

I don't know where one has been, but arabic, aramaic & Hebrew are sister Language.

They will argue with you and try to convince you that Islam and its so-called scriptures , The Qur'aan is authentic .

Well it is.
Unless one have some weird idea of Authentic.

When in fact , I can give you several Words and Customs that was stolent from The Jews , For example , The ceremony of The Circumcision ( Genesis 17 ; 10 ) Was stolen from The Jews


The circumcision was related to abraham & his seeds, he was not a Jew by the way, nor he practiced Judaism.

The concept of Holy Day called Sabbath ( Genesis 2 ; 2 -3 ) Was stolen from The Jews , And called Jum'ah < atabic > ( Qur'aan , Chapter 62 ) by The Muslims.

Please, "quote" from the scriptures.

If evertime somebody initiated a holiday and sued they will be a wealthy man.

The concept of A Turbaan or Prayer Cap . , Which The Muslims call A Kuffa , Came from The Jewish Yamaka or Yarmulke
I won't bother to answer that, you can guess why.

The concepts of The Muslim Kalimat Tawhiyd ( Quraan 47 ; 19 ) Was stolen from The Jews Shama Yishrael < aramic > '' Hear Oh Israel '' ( Dueteronomy 6 ; 4 ) or ( Dueteronomy 4 ; 35 ) Where they stole their Kalimat , Laa Ilaaha Illa Allah < arabic > ( Qur'aan 47 ; 19 ) And this was carried over to Christianity ( Mark 12 ; 29 ) , And that's where Muslims borrowed it from .

So you wan't it to say more than 1 god?

I did not bother with the some bit's, you can guess why, and I did not bother with the semetic language.
Empasis on the word "semetic" should give a clue.
 
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The Prophet Solomon's Temple - The Temple Of Judaism ,
1. The temple is shaped like a cube
2 . The High Priest Can only enter the Temple once a year on the day of atonement
3 . The Judahites be-lieved that when you visit the temple your sins are forgiven
4 . The Holiest place in the temple was covered with a veil ( Exodus 26 ; 31 - 37 )
5 . The Temple Of Judaism house the Ark of the Covenant & the mercy seat ( Exodus 26 ; 33 - 34 )
6 . Solomon the son of the Prophet built the Temple of Judaism ( 2Samuel 7 ; 12 - 13
1Kings 5 ; 5 , 8; 20 21 ) .


7 . The building was built with with gold hewn stones and cedar ( Exodus Chapter . 26 ).
8. The people of Judaism face Holy The Holy Temple In prayer ( 1Kings 8 ; 22 ) .
9 . The Judahites made a pilgrimage to worship at the Temple
10 . Solomon's temple was destroyed and then rebuilt
11 . The Temples fell into the hands of Israelis enemies of Islam today
12 . The Temples was rebuilt By Herod the Great who sought to buy the Judahites He started in 19 B.C. and finished 18 years later .
13 . Everyday from the temple a chant could be heard
14 . The Judahites who worshipped at the Temple prostrated in prayer ( Daniel 2 ; 46
15 . After Herod built the temple he charged his people a high tax
The Prophet Muhammad's Temple - The Temple Of Islamism .


The Ka'ba is shape like a cube .
The Saudi Arabian King's family enter the Ka'ba once a year on Hajj for atonement
Muslims believe that when you go on Hajj , which is to visit the Ka'ba your sins are forgiven ( Quran 2 ; 158 )
The Ka'ba is veiled with a black drape called a Kiswa .
The Ka'ba houses the Black Stone .
The Prophet Abraham and his son Ishmael built the Ka'ba ( The Quran 2 ; 125 ) .
The Kiswa is woven and embroidered in gold and silver . It is made of 670 kilograms of pure silk and dyed black . The border is embroidered in gold - plated silver wire and emblazoned with verse from the Koran .


Muslims face the direction of the Holy Temple where the Ka'ba sits ( Quran 2; 125 )
Muslims go on pilgrimage to worship at the Ka'ba
The Ka'ba was destroyed and then rebuilt .
The Ka'ba has fallen into the hands of Wahhabis , the enemies of true Islam today
The Wahhabis of Saudi are rebuilding Mecca and buying all Muslims .
Everyday from the minaret of the Ka'ba a chant ( the Adhan ) can be heard .
Muslims prostrate in prayer ( The Quran 2 ; 43 ) .

Saudi Arabian charge pilgrims Hajj tax of $250 . 00 per head << Should be more then this now .
Herd's Temples Or Ka'ba Encompassed An Area Of 35 Acres , It took 18 Years To Be Completed And Remained Only 6 Years Before It Was Destroyed By The Romans . The Only Part Of The Temple Which Still Remains Is The Western Wall . More Commonly Known As The '' Wailing Wall '' To This Day Jews Wear Around Their Heads A Cube - Shape Wooden Block Which Is Attached To Leather Straps Called A Tefillin When They Perform Morning Worship In Commemoration Of The Great Temple That Was First Built By The Prophet Moses On The Command Of The Almighty Allah . ( Exodus 25 ; 8 - 9 ) . Originally The Tabernacle Of The Congregation As It Was First Called Was Carried From
 
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Is there a similarity between the Gospels and the OT?

Does that mean the Gospeles stole the text from the OT?

the Almighty God says in His Book; the Holy Quran:-
2:41. And believe in what I have sent down (this Qur'ân), confirming that which is with you, [the Taurât (Torah) and the Injeel (Gospel)], and be not the first to disbelieve therein, and buy not with My Verses [the Taurât (Torah) and the Injeel (Gospel)] a small price (i.e. getting a small gain by selling My Verses), and fear Me and Me Alone.

This means there are some similarities, there are also many differences such as:-

&#8206;&#8206;

&#8206;1-while christianity believes in trinity, the Holy Quran rejects it:
5:73. Surely, disbelievers are those who said: "Allâh is the third of the three (in a Trinity)." But there is no ilâh (god) (none who has the right to be worshipped) but One Ilâh (God -Allâh). And if they cease not from what they say, verily, a painful torment will befall the disbelievers among them.



&#8206;2- while christianity considers Jesus a god , the Holy Quran warns against it :

4 :171. O people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians)! Do not exceed the limits in your religion, nor say of Allâh aught but the truth. The Messiah 'Iesa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary), was (no more than) a Messenger of Allâh and His Word, ("Be!" - and he was) which He bestowed on Maryam (Mary) and a spirit (Rûh)created by Him; so believe in Allâh and His Messengers. Say not: "Three (trinity)!" Cease! (it is) better for you. For Allâh is (the only) One Ilâh (God), Glory be to Him (Far Exalted is He) above having a son. To Him belongs all that is in the heavens and all that is in the earth. And Allâh is All&shy;Sufficient as a Disposer of affairs.
&#8206;&#8206;

&#8206;3- while christianity believes in redemption , the Holy Quran says in &#8206;&#8206;15: 15. Whoever goes right, then he goes right only for the benefit of &#8206;his ownself. And whoever goes astray, then he goes astray to his &#8206;own loss. No one laden with burdens can bear another's burden. And &#8206;We never punish until We have sent a Messenger (to give warning). &#8206;



4- while Christianty believes Jesus was crucified , the Holy Quran says Christ was neither crucified nor killed:
4:[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]157. And because of their saying (in boast), "We killed Messiah 'Iesa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary), the Messenger of Allâh," - but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but the resemblance of 'Iesa (Jesus) was put over another man (and they killed that man), and those who differ therein are full of doubts. They have no (certain) knowledge, they follow nothing but conjecture. For surely; they killed him not [i.e. 'Iesa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary) ]:
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5- Original Sin is basic in Christianity while according to the Holy Quran all people are born pure , he/she is responsible for his/her own sins and not someone else's:
17: [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]15. Whoever goes right, then he goes right only for the benefit of his ownself. And whoever goes astray, then he goes astray to his own loss. No one laden with burdens can bear another's burden. And We never punish until We have sent a Messenger (to give warning).
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6- Christians deny God revealed a Bible for Jesus .the Qur'an says there was. It disappeard while the Holy Quran exists today exactly the same as it was &#8206;revealed to Muhammad, p.b.u.h. while christians believe in book everyone knows its source , meaning Christians don not have a book from God:
5:46. And in their footsteps, We sent 'Iesa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary) , confirming the Taurât (Torah) that had come before him, and We gave him the Injeel (Gospel), in which was guidance and light and confirmation of the Taurât (Torah) that had come before it, a guidance and an admonition for Al-Muttaqûn (the pious)

&#8206;
7- Christians eat pork and drink wine , Muslims do not


8- Homosexuality is considered to be a perversion and is &#8206;forbidden in Islam ,
Since the prohibition on homosexuality is found in the Old &#8206;Testament only, some Christian sects say it does not &#8206;apply (i.e. the United Church ordains homosexual &#8206;ministers).&#8206;


9- Both believe in the Day of Judgement which will occur on Judgement Day &#8206;


10- Muslims believe there is ONLY ONE TRUE GOD who created everything , Christians insist that Allah -which is Arabic translation for :God" - is not their God ?!


11- while Islam consider the Prophets of God the best of all men:
38 : 47. And they are with Us, verily, of the chosen and the best!


the Bible accuses them of the dirtiests sins:

&#8206;GENESIS 9-21

&#8206;"And he (Noah) drank of the wine, and was drunken; and he lay NAKED within his tent."


Genesis 9 : 25-27 Noah establishes slavory !

Genesis Abraham offers his wife for material gains!

Genesis Abraham did wrong to Hajar and Ismael to please Sarah!

Genesis 19 : 33-36 Lot commits insect with his daughters!

Genesis 20 : 2-5 both Abraham And Sarah claimed they were brother and sister although Deut 27 : 22 curses who sleeps with his sister!

Genesis 26 Isac also claimed his wife was his sister for material gains!

Genesis 35 : 22 Robin , son of prophet Jacob comitted incests with his father's concubine !

Genesis 38 : 13- 30 Juda comitted incest with his stepmother !

Numbers 20 : 12 both Moses and Aron did not believe in God !

Deut 32 : 51 Both Moses and Aron betrayed God !

1Sam 18 : 27 David killed 200 Palestinians and presented their foreskins to the king as a dowery!

1Sam 19:24 'And he (Saul) stripped off his clothes also, and prophesied before &#8206;Samuel in like manner, and lay down NAKED all that day and all that night Wherefore they &#8206;say, Is Saul also among the prophets? "

1Sam 21 : 13 David pretended he was insane !

2Sam 21 : 13 David danced and was mocked !

2Sam 11 : 3-28 David comitted adultry with a married woman , and ploted to kill her husband!

2Sam 13 : 1-15 Amnon , son of David comittred incest with his sister Tamar!

2Sam 16:22 Abshalom , son of David comitted adultry with his father's concubines !

1Kings 11 : 1-13 Solomon apostated , built temples for idol worshipping, disobeyed God by marrying 1000 women inspite of Deut 17:17 , and disobeyed God by that marriage Deut 7:3 !

Isai 20:3-4 &#8206;walked NAKED and &#8206;barefoot three years !!!

Worst of all is what the Bible claims happened to Jesus PBUH. I will not go into detail for the matter is too long and known to everyone !

Mat 27 : 1-50

Mark 15 : 1-38

Luke 23 : 1-47

John 19 : 1-30
 
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I see alot of people claim, such and such religion copied my religion to explain the similarities. Another way to look at it is if the author of both books is God, then one is not copied from the other. God is simply re-iterating points that He wants us to know. I think people deprive themselves of amazing insights when they fail to look for alternative explanations.
 
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I see alot of people claim, such and such religion copied my religion to explain the similarities. Another way to look at it is if the author of both books is God, then one is not copied from the other. God is simply re-iterating points that He wants us to know. I think people deprive themselves of amazing insights when they fail to look for alternative explanations.

OK. If you are in to alternative explanations, then allow me to use my Bible to interpret your religion since they come from the same god in your view. If you reject, then you should not make the claim that you have.

BTW: God does not author books that do not harmonize with each other. That would discount any book that came after the Bible that claims to progress any revelation from it or outside of it. Consider it a copy if the authors are different, which is the case from the perspective or Christianity.
 
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Is there a similarity between the Gospels and the OT?

Does that mean the Gospeles stole the text from the OT?

the Almighty God says in His Book; the Holy Quran:-
2:41. And believe in what I have sent down (this Qur'ân), confirming that which is with you, [the Taurât (Torah) and the Injeel (Gospel)], and be not the first to disbelieve therein, and buy not with My Verses [the Taurât (Torah) and the Injeel (Gospel)] a small price (i.e. getting a small gain by selling My Verses), and fear Me and Me Alone.

This means there are some similarities, there are also many differences such as:-

&#8206;&#8206;

&#8206;1-while christianity believes in trinity, the Holy Quran rejects it:
5:73. Surely, disbelievers are those who said: "Allâh is the third of the three (in a Trinity)." But there is no ilâh (god) (none who has the right to be worshipped) but One Ilâh (God -Allâh). And if they cease not from what they say, verily, a painful torment will befall the disbelievers among them.



&#8206;2- while christianity considers Jesus a god , the Holy Quran warns against it :

4 :171. O people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians)! Do not exceed the limits in your religion, nor say of Allâh aught but the truth. The Messiah 'Iesa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary), was (no more than) a Messenger of Allâh and His Word, ("Be!" - and he was) which He bestowed on Maryam (Mary) and a spirit (Rûh)created by Him; so believe in Allâh and His Messengers. Say not: "Three (trinity)!" Cease! (it is) better for you. For Allâh is (the only) One Ilâh (God), Glory be to Him (Far Exalted is He) above having a son. To Him belongs all that is in the heavens and all that is in the earth. And Allâh is All&shy;Sufficient as a Disposer of affairs.
&#8206;&#8206;

&#8206;3- while christianity believes in redemption , the Holy Quran says in &#8206;&#8206;15: 15. Whoever goes right, then he goes right only for the benefit of &#8206;his ownself. And whoever goes astray, then he goes astray to his &#8206;own loss. No one laden with burdens can bear another's burden. And &#8206;We never punish until We have sent a Messenger (to give warning). &#8206;



4- while Christianty believes Jesus was crucified , the Holy Quran says Christ was neither crucified nor killed:
4:[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]157. And because of their saying (in boast), "We killed Messiah 'Iesa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary), the Messenger of Allâh," - but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but the resemblance of 'Iesa (Jesus) was put over another man (and they killed that man), and those who differ therein are full of doubts. They have no (certain) knowledge, they follow nothing but conjecture. For surely; they killed him not [i.e. 'Iesa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary) ]:
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5- Original Sin is basic in Christianity while according to the Holy Quran all people are born pure , he/she is responsible for his/her own sins and not someone else's:
17: [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]15. Whoever goes right, then he goes right only for the benefit of his ownself. And whoever goes astray, then he goes astray to his own loss. No one laden with burdens can bear another's burden. And We never punish until We have sent a Messenger (to give warning).
[/FONT]
6- Christians deny God revealed a Bible for Jesus .the Qur'an says there was. It disappeard while the Holy Quran exists today exactly the same as it was &#8206;revealed to Muhammad, p.b.u.h. while christians believe in book everyone knows its source , meaning Christians don not have a book from God:
5:46. And in their footsteps, We sent 'Iesa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary) , confirming the Taurât (Torah) that had come before him, and We gave him the Injeel (Gospel), in which was guidance and light and confirmation of the Taurât (Torah) that had come before it, a guidance and an admonition for Al-Muttaqûn (the pious)

&#8206;
7- Christians eat pork and drink wine , Muslims do not


8- Homosexuality is considered to be a perversion and is &#8206;forbidden in Islam ,
Since the prohibition on homosexuality is found in the Old &#8206;Testament only, some Christian sects say it does not &#8206;apply (i.e. the United Church ordains homosexual &#8206;ministers).&#8206;


9- Both believe in the Day of Judgement which will occur on Judgement Day &#8206;


10- Muslims believe there is ONLY ONE TRUE GOD who created everything , Christians insist that Allah -which is Arabic translation for :God" - is not their God ?!


11- while Islam consider the Prophets of God the best of all men:
38 : 47. And they are with Us, verily, of the chosen and the best!


the Bible accuses them of the dirtiests sins:

&#8206;GENESIS 9-21

&#8206;"And he (Noah) drank of the wine, and was drunken; and he lay NAKED within his tent."


Genesis 9 : 25-27 Noah establishes slavory !

Genesis Abraham offers his wife for material gains!

Genesis Abraham did wrong to Hajar and Ismael to please Sarah!

Genesis 19 : 33-36 Lot commits insect with his daughters!

Genesis 20 : 2-5 both Abraham And Sarah claimed they were brother and sister although Deut 27 : 22 curses who sleeps with his sister!

Genesis 26 Isac also claimed his wife was his sister for material gains!

Genesis 35 : 22 Robin , son of prophet Jacob comitted incests with his father's concubine !

Genesis 38 : 13- 30 Juda comitted incest with his stepmother !

Numbers 20 : 12 both Moses and Aron did not believe in God !

Deut 32 : 51 Both Moses and Aron betrayed God !

1Sam 18 : 27 David killed 200 Palestinians and presented their foreskins to the king as a dowery!

1Sam 19:24 'And he (Saul) stripped off his clothes also, and prophesied before &#8206;Samuel in like manner, and lay down NAKED all that day and all that night Wherefore they &#8206;say, Is Saul also among the prophets? "

1Sam 21 : 13 David pretended he was insane !

2Sam 21 : 13 David danced and was mocked !

2Sam 11 : 3-28 David comitted adultry with a married woman , and ploted to kill her husband!

2Sam 13 : 1-15 Amnon , son of David comittred incest with his sister Tamar!

2Sam 16:22 Abshalom , son of David comitted adultry with his father's concubines !

1Kings 11 : 1-13 Solomon apostated , built temples for idol worshipping, disobeyed God by marrying 1000 women inspite of Deut 17:17 , and disobeyed God by that marriage Deut 7:3 !

Isai 20:3-4 &#8206;walked NAKED and &#8206;barefoot three years !!!

Worst of all is what the Bible claims happened to Jesus PBUH. I will not go into detail for the matter is too long and known to everyone !

Mat 27 : 1-50

Mark 15 : 1-38

Luke 23 : 1-47

John 19 : 1-30

The main distinction is that the NT does not try to invalidate the OT, rather it uses lots of OT scripture in it to bring the full understanding of OT into the NT and reciprocates by taking strictly NT scripture and relating it to OT. The Qur'an and Baha'ullah's Kitab al-Aqdas do not do this, They claim newer revelation because the older revelations were somehow inferior and were for that particualar time. This is not why the NT was brought forth. It was because the fulfillment of Jesus, The Christ, had not yet materialized (incarnated) in flesh. Jesus was to bring finality to human salvation, which was the sole reason in the first place of there being a NT.
 
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The main distinction is that the NT does not try to invalidate the OT, rather it uses lots of OT scripture in it to bring the full understanding of OT into the NT and reciprocates by taking strictly NT scripture and relating it to OT. The Qur'an and Baha'ullah's Kitab al-Aqdas do not do this, They claim newer revelation because the older revelations were somehow inferior and were for that particualar time. This is not why the NT was brought forth. It was because the fulfillment of Jesus, The Christ, had not yet materialized (incarnated) in flesh. Jesus was to bring finality to human salvation, which was the sole reason in the first place of there being a NT.
I didn't realize how much similarity there was between the "lost books" of the Bible and the stories in Judaism and Islam.

One of these days I may read through some of them.

http://www.gospels.net/translations/infancythomastranslation.html

Chapter 2

(1) When the boy Jesus was five years old, he was playing in a narrow part of a rushing stream. (2) He was gathering the flowing waters into ponds, and immediately they were made clean, and he ordered these things with a single word. (3) And after he made clay, he molded twelve sparrows from it. And it was the Sabbath when he did these things. But there were also many other children playing with him.

Tts 1:14 Not 3361 giving heed 4337 to Jewish 2451 Fables 3454, and 2532 commandments 1785 of men 444, that turn from 654 the Truth 225.


http://www.sausalitopresbyterian.com/spc/go/sermons/sermon29

Rumi, like other mystics of both Islam and Christianity, took a lot of liberties with the Koran&#8217;s version of the Jesus story. In this poem he makes reference to Jesus making clay birds to fly. That&#8217;s a take-off on Mohammed&#8217;s line from the Koran, where he says that Jesus could breathe into clay figures of birds and bring them to life. In this poem, Rumi is saying that you can look at spiritual power from a material perspective, and get wowed with it.

This was no accident, because Mohammed was familiar with Christianity and with Judaism. However, his knowledge of those faiths came to him third-hand. He heard a jumble of stories from the Bible, alternate versions of these stories, and folk traditions about them that had been filtered through multiple cultures.
 
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OK. If you are in to alternative explanations, then allow me to use my Bible to interpret your religion since they come from the same god in your view. If you reject, then you should not make the claim that you have.

BTW: God does not author books that do not harmonize with each other. That would discount any book that came after the Bible that claims to progress any revelation from it or outside of it. Consider it a copy if the authors are different, which is the case from the perspective or Christianity.

I agree, God harmonizes everything extremely well, the fact that we can miss the harmony throughout is not a result of God's inability to do so, but rather our inability to see it.
 
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Originally Posted by peaceful soul
OK. If you are in to alternative explanations, then allow me to use my Bible to interpret your religion since they come from the same god in your view. If you reject, then you should not make the claim that you have.

BTW: God does not author books that do not harmonize with each other. That would discount any book that came after the Bible that claims to progress any revelation from it or outside of it. Consider it a copy if the authors are different, which is the case from the perspective or Christianity.
Does the Koran mention anywhere about Abram meeting Melchizedek in the OC?

Abraham was "Abram" when he met Melchizedek but in Hebrews 7:1 but it shows Abram as Abraham. Would different greek words be used for both of the names?

I am studying the geneaology of Jesus in Matthew and I have a reason for asking this.
Thanks.

Matthew 1:1 | bibloV <976> {BOOK} genesewV <1078> {OF GENERATION} ihsou <2424> {OF JESUS} cristou <5547> {CHRIST,} uiou <5207> {SON} dauid <1138> {OF DAVID,} uiou <5207> {SON} abraam <11> {OF ABRAHAM.}
Hebrews 7:1 | outoV <3778> gar <1063> o <3588> {FOR THIS} melcisedek <3198> {MELCHIZEDEK,} basileuV <935> {KING} salhm <4532> {OF SALEM,} iereuV <2409> tou <3588> {PRIEST} qeou <2316> {OF GOD} tou <3588> {THE} uyistou <5310> {MOST HIGH,} o <3588> {WHO} sunanthsaV <4876> (5660) {MET} abraam <11> {ABRAHAM} upostrefonti <5290> (5723) {RETURNING}.................
Melchizedek occurs 2 times in 2 verses

Gene 14:18 And Melchizedek king of Salem hath brought out bread and wine, and he [is] priest of God Most High; 19 and he blesseth him, and saith, `Blessed [is] Abram to God Most High, possessing heaven and earth; 20 and blessed [is] God Most High, who hath delivered thine adversaries into thy hand;' and he giveth to him a tenth of all. 21 And the king of Sodom saith unto Abram, `Give to me the persons, and the substance take to thyself,'

Psa 110:4 The LORD 03068 hath sworn 07650 , and will not repent 05162 , Thou [art] a priest 03548 for ever 05769 after the order 01700 of Melchizedek 04442.

http://www.kingdombiblestudies.org/priest/RP24.htm

One of the most intriguing descriptions of the unique character of the High Priesthood of Jesus is found in Heb. 7:17 wherein it is stated, "Thou art a priest forever after the order of Melchizedek." This one grand statement shows that Jesus is not like any of the other priests who the people of Israel knew so much about. The entire seventh chapter of Hebrews is about THE MELCHIZEDEK CONNECTION, that is, it is about the way Jesus Christ, and thus, His body, the Royal Priesthood, is related to a strange man named Melchizedek. And the connection between Jesus Christ and Melchizedek is worth exploring. Let's take a look at the Melchizedek Connection.
 
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This post will prove to you that Muslims stole the bulk of their religion


This post lost me right here. If Muhammad's claim is true, how could it be called stealing? It isn't as if it's a new made-up religion that should be totally different. To say that Muslims stole the bulk of its religion would be just as silly as saying that Christians stole the bulk of theirs.
 
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