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Ephesians 4:17 _¶This I say therefore, and testify in the Lord, that ye henceforth walk not as other Gentiles walk, in the vanity of their mind,
18 _Having the understanding darkened, being alienated from the life of God through the ignorance that is in them, because of the blindness of their heart:
19 _Who being past feeling have given themselves over unto lasciviousness, to work all uncleanness with greediness.
20 _But ye have not so learned Christ;
21 _If so be that ye have heard him, and have been taught by him, as the truth is in Jesus:
22 _That ye put off concerning the former conversation the old man, which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts;
23 _And be renewed in the spirit of your mind;
24 _And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.
25 _Wherefore putting away lying, speak every man truth with his neighbour: for we are members one of another.
26 _Be ye angry, and sin not: let not the sun go down upon your wrath:
27 _Neither give place to the devil.
28 _Let him that stole steal no more: but rather let him labour, working with his hands the thing which is good, that he may have to give to him that needeth.
29 _Let no corrupt communication proceed out of your mouth, but that which is good to the use of edifying, that it may minister grace unto the hearers.
30 _And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.
31 _Let all bitterness, and wrath, and anger, and clamour, and evil speaking, be put away from you, with all malice:
32 _And be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God for Christ's sake hath forgiven you.

See this verse?22 That ye put off concerning the former conversation the old man, which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts;
23 And be renewed in the spirit of your mind;
What if a saved person doesn't put off their old man and renounce all the evil trates of thier line of heritiage?

Exodus 34:7 _Keeping mercy for thousands, forgiving iniquity and transgression and sin, and that will by no means clear the guilty; visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children, and upon the children's children, unto the third and to the fourth generation.
iniquity means moral evil. Forgive...renounce your families iniquity..it will NOT clear THEM for the sins...but will clear YOU of the snare of the devil.

2 Timothy 2:26 _And that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will

GEL
 
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Guys, i'm so sorry i have'nt checked here in a while. I've been busy w/ the other thread. Yes i do have other circumstances(scriptures) where believers were demonized, And i really don't get around the internet so i unfortunately have no links but i do have books. Spiritual Warfare is my subject, I stopped reading 4 awile so i have'nt been able to add to my cache of books on the subject but i have tarted back and i'm on the road aqgain sort of speak. :) I'll post those scriptures later heydeerman, by the way do u have a shorter version of your name?

I'll pray 4 u guys today.
 
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hmmm that all comes down to definition doesnt it I guess... jesus said "it is finished" which means all the work that the cross was meant to do has been successful and somebody - peter I think said that the devil was like a caged lion... so that means I suppose that he is defeated as in he is restricted but if you get too close to the cage he will reach out and scratch you from between the bars... and hes pretty mad about being there too! so yeah he hasnt been defeated as in destroyed, but his reach and his ability to hurt especially christians has been curbed....
 
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Originally posted by Amatire
hmmm that all comes down to definition doesnt it I guess... jesus said "it is finished" which means all the work that the cross was meant to do has been successful and somebody - peter I think said that the devil was like a caged lion... so that means I suppose that he is defeated as in he is restricted but if you get too close to the cage he will reach out and scratch you from between the bars... and hes pretty mad about being there too! so yeah he hasnt been defeated as in destroyed, but his reach and his ability to hurt especially christians has been curbed....

 

whats wrong with saying his ability to reach and hurt Christians has been crushed?
 
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Originally posted by heydeerman
 whats wrong with saying his ability to reach and hurt Christians has been crushed?

because Christians are not immune to the temptations of evil. If we were, then every Christian would be practically a walking Jesus Christ...doing, saying, thinking, and acting EXACTLY like him...which is obviously not the case.


 

Also, very good reference GEL...even us Christians are not immune to curses.
  

 
 
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To prove this theory you have to go outside of Scripture and rely on experience to prove it.

And what has experience proved to us?

Light and darkness cannot co-exist. If we have the light of Christ in our hearts then there is no room for the darkness the evil one has

this is a very misleading comment. can you please clarify what your saying? What you have written suggests an either all-or-nothing relationship here...Like black and white, which is not the case. Some people are good. Some people are better. And ALL people can be influenced by evil. And even some non-Christians are better than some Chrsitians, believe it or not. :eek:


Anyway, I believe your mostly refering to salvation, right? In this case, it's all based on your denomination and what you believe. Personally, I believe that yes, we can be saved...and yes, you can loose salvation. I mean, people who were once good have gone bad and died. Does that mean if you were once saved, then you turn around and denounce God, and go commit mortal sins...are you still saved? Are you still going to heaven? I think not!

 
 
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I agree with Rising_Suns about there being shades of gray between good and evil, and also about salvation in general. If you look, for example, at the corruption of the Church in the 1300s when crooked clergy were selling "tickets" to Heaven for money, you can see that there has always been a confusion about what salvation is, and how it can be attained. I personally believe that people as a whole are generally good, no matter what denomination, and it is human nature, the biological, animal nature in us, that leads to bad. Desires that are human are what lead to society AND religion as it is today, and the need to control those desires. I think all Western religions have the same basic principles about good and evil (Eastern religions do, too, if you see enlightenment as Rebirth and purity of the mind as purity of the heart). But Jesus Christ is an example that we should follow, but in life today it's nearly impossible to do so perfectly, which is why we have to accept mistakes and flaws and continue to improve on them.
 
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And what has experience proved to us?


It has proved to be a very misleading barometer by which to measure other experiences. It is like 4 witnesses to a traffic accident. they all saw hthe same accident but have different takes on it. Experience in itself is unreliable at best. I have been on both ends of the spectrum. Totally charismatic to mainline denomination. There is great things in Gods Church. Where the Charismatics are lacking is solid exposital Bible teaching. The mainlines are lacking the "experience". I would put myself somewhere in the middle maybe a little toward the mainline side. I guess I am writing this so you will understand a little about me so you might understand my position. I am going to sign off this thread now and say one last time that my stand is that it is impossible for a born-again Christian to be possessed by a demon. I believe Scripture proves this and not experience. Where the opposite view is based on personal experience. I think the latter view has more in common with the occult and mystism than authentic Christianity. Hope I am not leaving anybody mad and if I offended anyone it was not intentional.
 
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:angel: Most Mental illness has nothing to do with demons. Most mental illness is about bio-chemical imbalances in the brain, brain damage, or other problems of the brain function. However, it is possible for demons to cause a person to act mentally disturbed. It is possible for demons to come to a mentally ill person after the fact and try to make things worse than usual.
I have a mental illness myself, I am also a Christain and I am an ordained Minister. Galations chapter 5, verses 14 - 26 pretty much covers it all.
:prayer: May God Be with you and Bless you with his devine wisdowm and knowledge.
 
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