Episcopalians believe "________".

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gtsecc

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In some way the problem isn't that those beliefs aren't Anglican, but rather because we don't do anything about it, those beliefs are in some way, Anglican.

It is a problem for Anglicans in that sort of unique way.
You see, if a roman catholic priest held those beliefs, you still could not make the case that they were therefore RC beliefs, because it is clear they are not accepted by the magesterium. However, if an Anglican held it, you don't have any theological or ecclesial mechanism for renouncing it as an Anglican theological view.
 
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It is a problem for Anglicans in that sort of unique way.
You see, if a roman catholic priest held those beliefs, you still could not make the case that they were therefore RC beliefs, because it is clear they are not accepted by the magesterium. However, if an Anglican held it, you don't have any theological or ecclesial mechanism for renouncing it as an Anglican theological view.


Very true, and in my opinion this is problematic.
 
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Here's the thing, the emphasis in Anglicanism is not what we believe as much as what we pray. We pray together. We worship together. We are in communion with each other. I am pretty busy trying to get my own act together spiritually, I am not going to spend time worrying about whether my brother gtsecc is crossing his fingers when he says the filioque during the creed. I will pray with him, I will take communion with him. If I wanted to be in a church where we worried so darn much about what everyone else believes I'd be a :doh:
 
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Here's the thing, the emphasis in Anglicanism is not what we believe as much as what we pray. We pray together. We worship together. We are in communion with each other. I am pretty busy trying to get my own act together spiritually, I am not going to spend time worrying about whether my brother gtsecc is crossing his fingers when he says the filioque during the creed. I will pray with him, I will take communion with him. If I wanted to be in a church where we worried so darn much about what everyone else believes I'd be a :doh:


In order to be in communion, isn't there a need for some form of common belief? Why would any church emphasize anything over belief? Is the message of the gospel to put a common prayer above belief?
This may be a small matter when you choose something as trivial as crossing fingers during liturgy as an example, but we should all spend time worrying about whether our beliefs and practices are orthodox. If I am holding on to heretical beliefs, it is the duty of my brothers and sisters to attempt to show me the error of my ways. We should care about each others salvation just as much as our own. So while I really don't care who is crossing their fingers, I certainly do care when someone contradicts biblical and traditional teaching by stating there are alternate paths to salvation besides Christ.
 
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In order to be in communion, isn't there a need for some form of common belief? Why would any church emphasize anything over belief?
Jesus seemed much more interested in how following him changed people's thinking and lives than whether they agreed on a set of specific facts (many of which he didn't even bother to spell out explicitly). It seems to me he was remarkably uninterested in doctine.
 
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Jesus seemed much more interested in how following him changed people's thinking and lives than whether they agreed on a set of specific facts (many of which he didn't even bother to spell out explicitly). It seems to me he was remarkably uninterested in doctine.


Thats a pretty vague statement. Changed peoples thinking and lives how? By loving God and our neighbors? And if we love our neighbors do we not wish for their eternal salvation? And if we wish for their eternal salvation shouldn't we wish for all our neighbors to accept Christ as their Lord? Since Christ explicitly stated that the only path to salvation was through Him, and since he explicitly ordered us to love one another, how can one say they love someone, but they 'can't be bothered' to worry about their salvation. Since Christ came to us specifically for our salvation, how uninterested could He possible have been when it was what He preached?

Changing lives and thinking is great, if done in the name of the Lord. In order to accept Christ as lord one has to believe.
 
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Thats a pretty vague statement. Changed peoples thinking and lives how? By loving God and our neighbors? And if we love our neighbors do we not wish for their eternal salvation? And if we wish for their eternal salvation shouldn't we wish for all our neighbors to accept Christ as their Lord? Since Christ explicitly stated that the only path to salvation was through Him, and since he explicitly ordered us to love one another, how can one say they love someone, but they 'can't be bothered' to worry about their salvation. Since Christ came to us specifically for our salvation, how uninterested could He possible have been when it was what He preached?

Changing lives and thinking is great, if done in the name of the Lord. In order to accept Christ as lord one has to believe.
Changing lives is what it's all about.
 
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Thats a pretty vague statement. Changed peoples thinking and lives how? By loving God and our neighbors? And if we love our neighbors do we not wish for their eternal salvation? And if we wish for their eternal salvation shouldn't we wish for all our neighbors to accept Christ as their Lord? Since Christ explicitly stated that the only path to salvation was through Him, and since he explicitly ordered us to love one another, how can one say they love someone, but they 'can't be bothered' to worry about their salvation. Since Christ came to us specifically for our salvation, how uninterested could He possible have been when it was what He preached?

Changing lives and thinking is great, if done in the name of the Lord. In order to accept Christ as lord one has to believe.
Believe as in trust in Christ and be transformed by him, or believe as in make an intellectual assent to a particular statement or statement of facts?

Fairbairn said:
Changing lives is what it's all about.
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Isn't common belief necessary for common action? There has to be some set of commonly held beliefs, the core values, if you will, of the church.

I mean, the views of Jesus and the importance of the common wordings of the prayers (despite perhaps meaning something completely different) are still beliefs. Are they not?
 
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