The heavenly vision- The Mystery

eph3Nine said:

Thats EXACTLY what hes saying.!We never WERE a part of Israels commonwealth or covenants.

We are part of the UNPROPHESIED event

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which places us NOT INTO THE NATION OF ISRAEL, but INTO the ONE NEW MAN, the church which is His BODY(which heretofore was NOT IN EXISTANCE!)

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And yet again, what unprophecied event??

This should be simple to answer, if there is an answer.

Lets get this back up top and see if we get an answer.
Billy <><

yeshuasavedme said:

Amazing, isn't it, the tortuous twists to the Word made by the doctrines of MAD?

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The false doctrine of yeshusavedme:


"Jesus meant it, though, we know, and anyone who does not obey Jesus is not going to inherit the kingdom of God, which is the kingdom of heaven, which is the kingdom of His Dear Son, which is the kingdom of Christ: which are all one and the same Kingdom. His Gospel includes water baptism of those who claim His name..............To know Jesus is to obey Jesus."
-yeshusavedme


Galatians chapter one: tick, tick, tick, tick........

"...anyone who does not obey Jesus is not going to inherit the kingdom of God...." -yeshusavedme


".....His Gospel includes water baptism of those who claim His name...." -yeshusavedme


I am not "amazed" by the false doctrine of this poster. From Genesis, the "Seed" Plot of the Holy Bible:

"....after his kind...", "...after their kind..." Genesis 1:11, 12, 21, 24, 25; 6:20; 7:14

Tell a religionist like this poster that there is nothing they can do to be acceptable to a Holy LORD God except Romans 4:5, and they become "very wroth", their face grimmaces, and they attempt to rise up and kill you. And thus, the "Seed" Plot of the Holy Bible comes full circle even today, and Ecclesiastes 1:9 is verified.

"And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from the LORD.

And she again bare his brother Abel. And Abel was a keeper of sheep, but Cain was a tiller of the ground.
And in process of time it came to pass, that Cain brought of the fruit of the ground an offering unto the LORD.
And Abel, he also brought of the firstlings of his flock and of the fat thereof. And the LORD had respect unto Abel and to his offering:
But unto Cain and to his offering he had not respect. And Cain was very wroth, and his countenance fell.
And the LORD said unto Cain, Why art thou wroth? and why is thy countenance fallen?
If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted? and if thou doest not well, sin lieth at the door. And unto thee shall be his desire, and thou shalt rule over him.
And Cain talked with Abel his brother: and it came to pass, when they were in the field, that Cain rose up against Abel his brother, and slew him.
And the LORD said unto Cain, Where is Abel thy brother? And he said, I know not: Am I my brother's keeper?
And he said, What hast thou done? the voice of thy brother's blood crieth unto me from the ground.
And now art thou cursed from the earth, which hath opened her mouth to receive thy brother's blood from thy hand;
When thou tillest the ground, it shall not henceforth yield unto thee her strength; a fugitive and a vagabond shalt thou be in the earth.
And Cain said unto the LORD, My punishment is greater than I can bear.
Behold, thou hast driven me out this day from the face of the earth; and from thy face shall I be hid; and I shall be a fugitive and a vagabond in the earth; and it shall come to pass, that every one that findeth me shall slay me.
And the LORD said unto him, Therefore whosoever slayeth Cain, vengeance shall be taken on him sevenfold. And the LORD set a mark upon Cain, lest any finding him should kill him. And Cain went out from the presence of the LORD, and dwelt in the land of Nod, on the east of Eden. " Gen. 4:1-16


In Christ,
John M. Whalen

timlamb said:

And yet again, what unprophecied event??

This should be simple to answer, if there is an answer.

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The Mystery Program, of which posters have expounded upon since this forum began.

Don't blame us for your slothfulness. Do you need help finding the posts?

In Christ,
John M. Whalen

JMWHALEN said:

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Let's see if Billy and the gang can distinguish between an answer, and rejecting the answer. Do not confuse your lack of reading comprehension skills from error on the part of what those who are "...spiritual..."(1 Cor. 2:15) have provided. But I am not angry with you. Being a former camp counsellor, I understand "babes." They tend to ask the same question from those who are more mature, even though they have been provided an answer. But, "kids being kids", they just do not like the answer provided, they pout, rebel, and then throw a tantrum- 1 Cor. 3:1-2. Therefore, Paul sternly rebuked the "Corinthian Kids", who were carnal, and tells us to preach no more than Christ crucified to kids such as this:

"For I determined not to know any thing among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified." 1 Cor. 2:2

The mystery program you cannot digest yet, since your diet is milk, and not solid food-meat is "off limits" at your stage of development. I am sure all parents understand this principle.

In Christ,
John M. whalen

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John M Whalen, do you have a problem being civil, or do you just look down on everybody?

We are trying to start someting new called communication. That is where I say what I think and you say what you think and if we have questions the other one tries to answer inteligently and respectfully.

There have been alot of unscriptural statements thrown around here and since we all appriciate scripture proof we ask for it. You did not make the statement and are under no obligation to respond. If you wish to respond please keep it civil. There are hundreds of threads and thousands of posts on this subject most of it personal opinion. All we ask is biblical proof that Paul disclosed and event that was unprophecied. This word Mystery, is quite undefining and has been used to and extent far beyond it's necessity. I, and others, see the mystery as nothing more than the understanding of Jesus Christ as Messiah and understanding He conquered death instead of Rome. Huge disclosier at the time but no longer a mystery so we all hope we can refer to actual teaching and other inspired words directly.

Please, no more name calling. To strongly disagree is sufficiant for us to know your opinion. We are supposed to be bonded in unity by Christ, let us act like it.

timlamb said:

John M Whalen, do you have a problem being civil, or do you just look down on everybody?

We are trying to start someting new called communication. That is where I say what I think and you say what you think and if we have questions the other one tries to answer inteligently and respectfully.

There have been alot of unscriptural statements thrown around here and since we all appriciate scripture proof we ask for it. You did not make the statement and are under no obligation to respond. If you wish to respond please keep it civil. There are hundreds of threads and thousands of posts on this subject most of it personal opinion. All we ask is biblical proof that Paul disclosed and event that was unprophecied. This word Mystery, is quite undefining and has been used to and extent far beyond it's necessity. I, and others, see the mystery as nothing more than the understanding of Jesus Christ as Messiah and understanding He conquered death instead of Rome. Huge disclosier at the time but no longer a mystery so we all hope we can refer to actual teaching and other inspired words directly.

Please, no more name calling. To strongly disagree is sufficiant for us to know your opinion. We are supposed to be bonded in unity by Christ, let us act like it.

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No, sir, I need no lecture from you, nor anyone else, on "being civil", or any comment from you on "looking down on everyone", given some of the condescending statements, and "kindergarten" comments, made by others on this board, including yourself, sir, towards me, and others of "like mind" who rightly divide this Holy Bible.

"We are trying to start someting new called communication"

Not a condecsending statement on your part? Right-"ye hypocrites."


If you would like to discuss some prime examples of some of your and others alleged "inteligent" and "respectful" answers, let's go. And, in hypocrisy, without "backbone/spine/vertebrae", derogatory comments made by others, including yourself, towards those who take a "Mid Acts" dispensational viewpoint are ignored or dismissed, i.e., references to us as members of a "cult","preaching another gospel…... " go unchallenged, and then you give me this "crybaby", hypocritical "quit attacking me…be civil…no more name calling……blah blah blah" routine , and then, "10 minutes later, before the ink has dried on your computer keys", launch another "DISPY/ MAD" "attack" . Save the "I am a victim... get the violin out" routine with me, given the remarks made by you and others who are allegedly so "sweet, Christ-like" in your responses=seen it before-it does not wash, nor does it have any credibility. "…quit ye like men..", i.e., if you want to have any credibilty as to your complaints, then examine yourself, and your comments.

Additionally, you confuse tolerance for people with tolerance for false doctrine. And " name calling" is scriptural. You would have "a problem" with the Lord Jesus Christ, Peter, Paul, Job, John the Baptist…………………………………………………., as they had no reservation on "calling a spade a spade." Unity at the expense of truth I will reject, as should you.

Re. your "There have been alot of unscriptural statements thrown around here and since we all appriciate scripture proof we ask for it."

Again, "save it." You merely asserting that we have provided "alot of unscriptural statements thrown around here", and that we have not provided "scripture proof we ask for it", does not make it so. We can assert the same. No, we have responded, but you reject our answers. So stop these amateur remark of yours. You can reject our responses, and call them unscriptural, but do not confuse your inability to understand our response, nor your inability to spiritually discern our responses, as a "non response" on our part. Grow up.



In Christ,
John M. Whalen

JMWHALEN said:

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No, sir, I need no lecture from you, nor anyone else, on "being civil", or any comment from you on "looking down on everyone", given some of the condescending statements, and "kindergarten" comments, made by others on this board, including yourself, sir, towards me, and others of "like mind" who rightly divide this Holy Bible.

"We are trying to start someting new called communication"

Not a condecsending statement on your part? Right-"ye hypocrites."


If you would like to discuss some prime examples of some of your and others alleged "inteligent" and "respectful" answers, let's go. And, in hypocrisy, without "backbone/spine/vertebrae", derogatory comments made by others, including yourself, towards those who take a "Mid Acts" dispensational viewpoint are ignored or dismissed, i.e., references to us as members of a "cult","preaching another gospel…... " go unchallenged, and then you give me this "crybaby", hypocritical "quit attacking me…be civil…no more name calling……blah blah blah" routine , and then, "10 minutes later, before the ink has dried on your computer keys", launch another "DISPY/ MAD" "attack" . Save the "I am a victim... get the violin out" routine with me, given the remarks made by you and others who are allegedly so "sweet, Christ-like" in your responses=seen it before-it does not wash, nor does it have any credibility. "…quit ye like men..", i.e., if you want to have any credibilty as to your complaints, then examine yourself, and your comments.

Additionally, you confuse tolerance for people with tolerance for false doctrine. And " name calling" is scriptural. You would have "a problem" with the Lord Jesus Christ, Peter, Paul, Job, John the Baptist…………………………………………………., as they had no reservation on "calling a spade a spade." Unity at the expense of truth I will reject, as should you.

Re. your "There have been alot of unscriptural statements thrown around here and since we all appriciate scripture proof we ask for it."

Again, "save it." You merely asserting that we have provided "alot of unscriptural statements thrown around here", and that we have not provided "scripture proof we ask for it", does not make it so. We can assert the same. No, we have responded, but you reject our answers. So stop these amateur remark of yours. You can reject our responses, and call them unscriptural, but do not confuse your inability to understand our response, nor your inability to spiritually discern our responses, as a "non response" on our part. Grow up.



In Christ,
John M. Whalen

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OK, so I guess that means we have one for disagree.

Would anyone else care to comment?

(puppy with tail between legs slinks behind the couch to avoid another woppin')

eph3Nine said:

The LORD had a SECRET which he didnt reveal to his servants the prophets.

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Hardly!

Amo 3:7 Surely the Lord GOD will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets.


Rev 10:7 But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.

Psa 25:14
The secret of the LORD [is] with them that fear him; and he will shew them his covenant.This is esp. saying YHWH reveals His "secret" to those who fear Him, and the word 'secret' is esp concerning the "Persons" of YHWH.
Job knew, Abraham knew, Moses knew, David knew, and so on and so forth -Paul found out