Why is Fundamental Christians so down on Homosexuality?

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EnemyPartyII

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Is it not a sin to have sex before marriage?

Nah, not really. OT stuff about sex before marriage is ancient PROPERTY law... it has nothing to do with morality.

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Is is not a sin to have sex with someone that is already married and not your spouse?
Are you suggesting that one member in a homosexual partnership is always married to a third party?

You lower yourself to name calling, instead.
Moi? When?

The Bible tell us we will be hated and cast out because we speak the truth. It tell us that they will cast out our name as evil and insult us (which being called a bigot, to me, is an insult).
If you don't want to be called a bigot, stop calling homosexuals names.

The Bible is the Living Word, and covers everything for the past, present and future.
Except for all the things it DOESN'T cover.
 
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Now let me ask you a question are lying, stealing, and takings another's life in all situations sinful?

If someone lied to protect the jews, from the Nazis during world war II, would that mean he was sinning since he lied?

If a man, was living in New Orleans, during the time of Katrina, and his children were starving to death, and he went out looking for food, and went inside a grocery store, and took bread, to feed his children, is he sinning, since he stole?

If a cop killed someone, to protect the life of another, would he be sinning?

The difference between homosexuality, and the sins you mentioned, is that these sins in there basic form, mean that you are also breaking the second most important commandment, "love they neighbhor as thy self". Yet with all these "sins", you can find situations, where they would not be sinful, and in fact perhaps the "moral" thing to do, though you would not find a biblical verse that says, lying in certain situation is the right thing to do.

Joshua 2
1 Now Joshua the son of Nun sent out two men from Acacia Grove to spy secretly, saying, “Go, view the land, especially Jericho.”
So they went, and came to the house of a harlot named Rahab, and lodged there. 2 And it was told the king of Jericho, saying, “Behold, men have come here tonight from the children of Israel to search out the country.”
3 So the king of Jericho sent to Rahab, saying, “Bring out the men who have come to you, who have entered your house, for they have come to search out all the country.”
4 Then the woman took the two men and hid them. So she said, “Yes, the men came to me, but I did not know where they were from. 5 And it happened as the gate was being shut, when it was dark, that the men went out. Where the men went I do not know; pursue them quickly, for you may overtake them.” 6 (But she had brought them up to the roof and hidden them with the stalks of flax, which she had laid in order on the roof.)

And as she was declared justified before God for hiding these spies, so are all called to do the Lord's work, to help protect those who need protection, or to otherwise pursue an outcome of righteousness.

James 2
18 But someone will say, “You have faith, and I have works.” Show me your faith without your works, and I will show you my faith by my works. 19 You believe that there is one God. You do well. Even the demons believe—and tremble! 20 But do you want to know, O foolish man, that faith without works is dead? 21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered Isaac his son on the altar? 22 Do you see that faith was working together with his works, and by works faith was made perfect? 23 And the Scripture was fulfilled which says, “Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.”And he was called the friend of God. 24 You see then that a man is justified by works, and not by faith only.
25 Likewise, was not Rahab the harlot also justified by works when she received the messengers and sent them out another way?
26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.

But who's to say that murder out of spite, or adultery cannot be seen by some culture as normative and acceptable actions of the good people in society? What gives meaning to this law of doing unto others... lving thy neighbor as yourself... etc... ? Would it be inaccurate to say that a serial killer who kills people out of sympathy is not doing it to end their misery in life, and out of a sense of his own personal understanding and definition of what this means?
 
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no, they aren't doing it out of love, they are doing it because they think they are right and don't agree with anyone who might say they are wrong.

Wow :bow: . I didn't know I was in the presence of someone who knows the heart and minds of everyone else. So glad to know the Lord has given you that authority.:doh:
 
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Nah, not really. OT stuff about sex before marriage is ancient PROPERTY law... it has nothing to do with morality.
So all the scriptures in the NT that talk about adultrey and fornication being a sin don't count.:doh:

EnemyPartyII said:
As for Are you suggesting that one member in a homosexual partnership is always married to a third party?

I don't believe I said that and you know it.​

Moi? When?

Intolorant bigots sound familar to you at all?​

EnemyPartyII said:
If you don't want to be called a bigot, stop calling homosexuals names.

What name have I called them?
EnemyPartyII said:
Except for all the things it DOESN'T cover.​


I can't believe that you don't think the Bible covers everything. Oh, well.​
 
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homosexuality doesn't ruin a nation, hate and taking other people's rights does. I'm starting to get tired of..........christianity.I wanna be myself and still worship God.
I believe the Bible says we are to die to self, and worship God.
 
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Wow :bow: . I didn't know I was in the presence of someone who knows the heart and minds of everyone else. So glad to know the Lord has given you that authority.:doh:
Not funny.................................I feel the same way about some christians, I feel they think they know my heart and mind.
 
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Nah, not really. OT stuff about sex before marriage is ancient PROPERTY law... it has nothing to do with morality.
Well, you see, just as I'm sure that many here on this thread believe the Law to be about loving thy neighbor as thyself, and loving the Lord with all one's heart, mind and soul (rightly), many of us also see this portion of scripture as far more profound than simply property laws. But that also comes from an overall view of scripture and God's relationship to Israel and the Church.

Pardon the intrusion... :sorry:
 
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Wow :bow: . I didn't know I was in the presence of someone who knows the heart and minds of everyone else. So glad to know the Lord has given you that authority.:doh:
There is a story about a certain President who would smile and wave to his wife out the window while his paramour would service him.

How about that?

How about if a man were to be humiliated and mocked by his most intimate associate associate about who he is in terms of, say, his ability to care for his family. If a person had dirty pictures to get leverage on the person on this issue, would that have an affect on his ability to lead?

How about Jim McGreavy? Would you assume his personal dishonesty never translated into professional dishonesty? Is character something you can turn on and off at a whim?

Whether or not any particular homosexual fits the profile of infidelity or indulging in humiliation, the fact is, there is clearly enough of it in the practice of this sin that it does have an effect on leadership.

YOu may wish to assume that homosexual leaders have only the best character and are monogamous. That is your error. That some gay leaders may be better than non-gay leaders does not mean that there isn't an issue. THere is an issue for gay lifestfyles, just as there is an issue for infidelity, swingers, obsessive/complusive disorders, etc.

That the BIble made the prohibition is a fact. That it makes sense for the reasons above is collateral to the fact of what scripture says. Not every gay person needs to have the same tendency for the practice to remain a valid issue.
 
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Hi intracatic, you're welcome to join in...

Look at the context... NT stuff, about loving one another, is about Christian morality... the Levitical and Deuteronomy laws are about how to run an ancient subsistence patriarchal culture in the middle East...

people imbue the Levitical stuff with far too much meaning... eating shellfish isn't really evil or somehow offensive to God... its just a bad idea with no refrigeration. Having sex before marriage, I believe, isn't REALLY offensiv to God either (watch for qualification) its about not stealing another man's property... to whit, the value of a daughter... you can't marry off a daughter with a reputation, and THATs why there is the OT injunction against sex outside of marriage.

now that qualification, is presuming mutual consent, age appropriate, mutual respect, and doing it safely and in such a way that no one gets hurt or ends up with anything they didn't sign on for. Again, difficult to arrange in the afore mentioned ancient semi-nomadic society... pretty easy to atrrange now, so long as everyone is upfront about the issues
 
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Whether or not any particular homosexual fits the profile of infidelity or indulging in humiliation, the fact is, there is clearly enough of it in the practice of this sin that it does have an effect on leadership.

Actually... the behaviour you mention tends to bite people who cry from the roof tops about their family values and so on... and they carry on their homosexual activities in the dark.

A politician who doesn;'t make a big secret of his sexuality, and say one thing whilst doing another, is not going to be a problem.

I'd have just as much problem with a homosexual politician who has a heterosexual affair as I would be with a heterosexual politician who has a homosexual one
 
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What until you get some loon telling you that your sexual orientation is a "choice"

Your sexual orientation is not a choice. For many today it is, motivated by the prevailing attitude of promiscuity and boredom.

After you are born again, it is a choice.
2 Cor 5:17 niv
"Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; the old has gone, the new has come!"
The excuse of continuing to have "no choice" slaps God's grace in the face AFTER one is saved.
2 Corinthians 12:9 niv
"But he said to me, "My grace is sufficient for you, for my power is made perfect in weakness." Therefore I will boast all the more gladly about my weaknesses, so that Christ's power may rest on me."

Grace is the power to transform a believer!
1 Cor 6:11 niv
"And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God."
The LORD does not bless our previous life of sin... He does not make it OK, now that you are saved.
John 5:14 niv
"Later Jesus found him at the temple and said to him, "See, you are well again. Stop sinning or something worse may happen to you."

He expects change!


John 8:11 niv

"No one, sir," she said.
"Then neither do I condemn you," Jesus declared. "Go now and leave your life of sin."
Jesus does not transform our sin into respectability. He does not tell a kleptomaniac to now give money to the Church by improving his ability to steal some more.....

You seem to think he does.
In Christ, GeneZ
 
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