The Kosher Judaism Thread

039 · Oct 15, 2006

Thank you.

LittleLambofJesus · Oct 15, 2006

But seriously, Christianity is so rooted in Judaism. It just reminds me how well the scriptures flow together, from a Christian perspective.

The Orthodox Jews would probably disagree on that as did my good friend Drashi over here.

http://www.jewsforjudaism.org/phpBB2...13a6b2767b94e9

I wouldn't disagree.

Well, I suppose since Jesus Christ was a True Jew and I am grafted into Him............. :wave:

Reve 5: 5 But one of the elders said to me, "Do not weep. Behold, the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the Root of David, has prevailed to open the scroll and to loose its seven seals."

stillsmallvoice · Oct 16, 2006

Hi all!

Chunkofcoal, I checked I Samuel 21:3 and nobody comments on why 5 loaves of the showbread were specifically mentioned. Sorry!

039 said:
Thank you.

Yer welcome!

This past Saturday was our holyday of Shemini Atzeret/Simkhat Torah (http://www.jewfaq.org/holiday6.htm) on which we read the last section of Deuteronomy and read a section of the first portion of Genesis. On this coming Shabbat, we will read the entire first portion of Genesis. As soon as we finish reading the torah, we start all over again, it never ends!

The Mishnah quotes a scholar by the name of Ben [son of] Bag-Bag (http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/view.jsp?artid=626&letter=B&search=Bag-Bag) as saying:

Turn the Torah over and over for everything is in it. Look into it, grow old and gray over it, and never move away from it, for you will find no better portion than it."

Rabbi Dovid Rosenfeld comments on the above and writes:

One of the fascinating things about Torah study is that it is a subject we never "complete" but return to our entire lives. As I've heard Rabbi Beryl Wein observe, in secular studies a student will typically complete a course of study and progress to the next level. Once a student passes Calculus I, he puts it behind him (supposedly knowing what it said) and moves on to Calc. II. Not so with the Torah. Year after year we study the same Scriptures - the same stories of Creation, Noah, Abraham, the Exodus - each year understanding just a bit more than we did in the past. The Torah was meant to be studied in this manner. The youngest child will revel at the uplifting and inspiring stories of his ancestors, while the greatest scholar fathoms the true depth and profundity of each verse. The Torah is infinite. No one fully fathoms it, yet neither is anyone entirely removed from it.

This is a message we must keep in mind as we approach Torah study throughout our lives. Torah study is an ongoing and never-ending process. We must approach it with a new sense of freshness and challenge as we grow and mature - never feeling we have "mastered" it already or know what it has to offer. Rabbi Yaakov Kamenetzky, one of the leaders of American Jewry in the decades after the War, wisely observed that we are first introduced to Scriptures - "Bible stories" - at the age of five, and tragically, some of us continue to understand our forefathers on the level of a five year old. Adam rebelling against G-d to eat an apple (was it really an apple?), Isaac being deceived by Esau, the jealousy of Jacob's wives, Jacob openly favoring Joseph over his brothers, the brothers attempting to kill him, etc. Such stories may thrill and entertain our children, but we must quickly outgrow the childish versions of our forefathers we were once introduced to - instead relating to them according to the wisdom and maturity we have attained. As we ask, delve and analyze, stories which were once simple, straightforward - and shallow - now become worthy of deeper analysis -- and reveal much greater truths. The Torah's wisdom is eternal and unchanging. But we, as we grow and experience life, will find new insights and lessons, crafted and tailor-made to guide and inspire us throughout every stage of life.

Link: http://www.torah.org/learning/pirkei-avos/chapter5-26.html

Be well!

ssv :wave:

Ivy · Oct 17, 2006

stillsmallvoice said:
As soon as we finish reading the torah, we start all over again, it never ends!

Chazak! Chazak! V'nitchazek! :wave:

Read on!

Pat, I have to agree with you, and I find that Christianity actually makes more sense in light of Judaism. Some of the Hebraic interpretations of Scripture are very helpful.

Rusticus · Oct 27, 2006

I'm not sure if this is the place to ask this question. But seeing that there are a few Jews (as in "followers of Judaism") here, I'll give it a go:

Christianity is based, as you may be aware, on the concept of Salvation through Jesus. Without that Salvation, so the Christian belief, there is eternal damnation. The damnation thing goes back to the concept of "original sin" by Adam and Eve.....

Seeing that Genesis (incl Adam end Eve) are essentially Jewish stories which have been appropriated by Christianity I am wondering if the concept of "original sin" is known in Judaism?
If so, how does Judaism deal with it? Is "eternal damnation" a Jewish concept?

I did try to find answers to this in "jewfaq", but was unsuccessful.

I would appreciate if someone from the Jewish Faith could shed some light on this for me. Thanks.

ChavaK · Oct 27, 2006

Rusticus said:
I'm not sure if this is the place to ask this question. But seeing that there are a few Jews (as in "followers of Judaism") here, I'll give it a go:

Christianity is based, as you may be aware, on the concept of Salvation through Jesus. Without that Salvation, so the Christian belief, there is eternal damnation. The damnation thing goes back to the concept of "original sin" by Adam and Eve.....

Seeing that Genesis (incl Adam end Eve) are essentially Jewish stories which have been appropriated by Christianity I am wondering if the concept of "original sin" is known in Judaism?
If so, how does Judaism deal with it? Is "eternal damnation" a Jewish concept?

I did try to find answers to this in "jewfaq", but was unsuccessful.

I would appreciate if someone from the Jewish Faith could shed some light on this for me. Thanks.

Hi most of us are getting ready for shabbat, so you may not get a detailed answer til after then.
A short answer is no, Judaism does not have the concept of original sin, that is uniquely a Christian
belief .Also, there is no "eternal damnation"...more later.....

stillsmallvoice · Oct 31, 2006

Hi all!

I was in London for a week (see http://www.christianforums.com/t4049256-london.html). What's up? What have I missed?

Be well!

ssv :wave:

EturnaL · Oct 31, 2006

Pigs are kinda nasty anyway.

EturnaL · Oct 31, 2006

PS, Israel is awesome!

ChavaK · Oct 31, 2006

EturnaL said:
PS, Israel is awesome!

Lotuspetal_uk · Nov 1, 2006

stillsmallvoice said:
Hi all!

I was in London for a week (see http://www.christianforums.com/t4049256-london.html). What's up? What have I missed?

Be well!

ssv

Hi SSV

Ahhh so you visited good ole Blighty! I love Golders Green.
Your thoughts of the airport were mine exactly.

On our news we were shown the amount of full bottles being left at our local airport - I mean everything, facial moisturisers, perfumes, soft drinks, you name it. They are now thinking about giving them to charity rather than putting it to waste.

But your charitable solution to the whisky was brill!

The absolute travesty though is that anything taken has to then be bought in duty free!

Good to see you had a great time.

chunkofcoal · Nov 6, 2006

I have a question and thought maybe someone here could help me with it. I was reading something about some people who use the word "Kodosh" like in Isaiah 6:3 but they added an i and made it "Kodoish". Does adding an i make the word a different word? Are they saying something other than "Holy"? Does it make it two words - the last word being "ish"?
Thanks.

ChavaK · Nov 6, 2006

chunkofcoal said:
I have a question and thought maybe someone here could help me with it. I was reading something about some people who use the word "Kodosh" like in Isaiah 6:3 but they added an i and made it "Kodoish". Does adding an i make the word a different word? Are they saying something other than "Holy"? Does it make it two words - the last word being "ish"?
Thanks.

Do you mean the actual Hebrew spelling of the word,
or the way it is being pronounced?

chunkofcoal · Nov 6, 2006

Hi Chavak,
They changed the spelling to change the "tone" (long story!) of the word, so I think they are pronouncing it differently as well as spelling it differently.
I have a friend who is in to a book called "The book of knowledge: the keys of Enoch" and if he is saying something wrong, I want to warn him.

LittleLambofJesus · Jul 11, 2007

ChavaK said:
Hi most of us are getting ready for shabbat, so you may not get a detailed answer til after then.
A short answer is no, Judaism does not have the concept of original sin, that is uniquely a Christian
belief .Also, there is no "eternal damnation"...more later.....

Does Judaism believe the Universe has always existed and do they see the World ending in the future? Shalom and thanks.

français · Jul 11, 2007

LLOJ "grave digging" topics is against the rules lol. "Grave digging" means starting up topics form a long time ago lol.

This thread I can understand why you did.. Because it is questions about Judaism! BUT, you grave dig like 100 topics a day lol

AlanGurvey · Jul 11, 2007

hai guis

Aviva · Jul 12, 2007

I'm glad to see this forum come to life again!
What does everyonne think about the new
CF rules?

français · Jul 12, 2007

At first I hated them. But, as time has gone by, I actually like them. No warnings or infractions!! WOO!

Lol it is better then I thought it would be, no doubt.

Yaacoviah · Jul 12, 2007

They are really nice. The new Christian teen rules are also an incredibly awesome change.

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