Transgenders Win Right To Use Any MTA Restrooms

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Men who identify as women may use ladies' rooms operated by New York's Metropolitan Transportation Authority, and women who identify as men may use men's rooms, under an agreement reached with a woman who had sued the agency to win that right for all transgender people.

Under the agreement, the MTA also agreed to pay Helena Stone - formerly known as Henry McGuinness - $2,000 in damages to pay for her legal fees, according to the Transgender Legal Defense and Education Fund, which represented Stone.

It also calls for the MTA to hold transgender sensitivity training for its workers.


http://www.topix.net/content/cbs/1517105367254732109907204561963190035865


Not sure what I think, where wold a female who is passes as male go since men's romms have urinals?
 

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Not sure what I think, where wold a female who is passes as male go since men's romms have urinals?

Men's rooms have toilet stalls as well, you know. And many FTMs have penile reconstruction surgery anyway, which as far as I know leaves them fully capable of manly urination.

I think this is great. It's far less of a issue to see someone who is, by all appearances, female coming out of the ladies' room than the men's room (and vice versa).
 
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On a practical level, I'm sure this new ruling will still cause some problems. Not all transgendered people look like the gender into which they have transformed. Frankly, in the case of men, some just look like men in drag. I'd be uncomfortable if I saw what appeared to be a man in drag coming into the ladies room with me.

But, that's life I suppose. They gotta go somewhere!
 
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More than anything else, I think this points at the subtle silliness of having segregated restrooms.

You should see the looks I get sometimes when there is a huge line for the women's room and no line for the men's and I just go in the men's! It's hilarious.

Seriously though, this decision is a good thing.
 
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Men's rooms have toilet stalls as well, you know. And many FTMs have penile reconstruction surgery anyway, which as far as I know leaves them fully capable of manly urination.

I think this is great. It's far less of a issue to see someone who is, by all appearances, female coming out of the ladies' room than the men's room (and vice versa).
Actually, while it is possilbe to reroute the duct through the new penis, it can lead to a great many complications, so most people don't do it. As far as I know, most FtMs just sit in the stall.

Caveat: As an MtF, I haven't studied FtM srs as much.
 
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That's unfortunate. Society should not be enabling that nonsense.
Ah yes. The forces of progress speaking of what they do not know. Tell me brenin, what woud you have me do? Use the men's room? Look at my picture and tell me that would go well.

This is the attitude that keeps us as second class citizens.
 
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That's unfortunate. Society should not be enabling that nonsense.

People shouldn't have the right to use a restroom in peace, without being stared at or told to get out, they're in the "wrong" restroom? I think that's the nonsense, not this decision.
 
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Ah yes. The forces of progress speaking of what they do not know. Tell me brenin, what woud you have me do? Use the men's room? Look at my picture and tell me that would go well.

This is the attitude that keeps us as second class citizens.

No kidding...it's not like people wouldn't blink an eye at someone who looks female going into the men's room, or vice versa.
I used to look way more masculine than I do now (I am not a transsexual, just a somewhat "butch" woman, especially back then), when I was about 15 or 16, and I got yelled at (literally) several times for trying to use the women's room. It's not like people don't take the idea of gendered restrooms very seriously.
 
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Actually, while it is possilbe to reroute the duct through the new penis, it can lead to a great many complications, so most people don't do it. As far as I know, most FtMs just sit in the stall.

Caveat: As an MtF, I haven't studied FtM srs as much.

Well, I'm neither, so I was going pretty much off of a faint memory of something I thought I heard and a quick Google search that said the urethra can be run through the reconstructed phallus.
 
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Well, I'm neither, so I was going pretty much off of a faint memory of something I thought I heard and a quick Google search that said the urethra can be run through the reconstructed phallus.
Well if you really *have* to know I guess I could ask one fo my friends. Course that would be a little akward...

"Hey man... I was wondering... How do you pee?"
 
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It's about time. *applauds the MTA*

For those that are horrified by the idea.. I'm sure the majority of us have been in the presence of transgendered individuals at one time or another without knowing it. Some of us, perhaps even in the restroom.

I think that when some people hear the terms 'transgendered' or 'transsexual', (especially if they've never actually met anyone who is) it conjures up images of really bad drag queens.. you know, big guys in skimpy dresses with horrible makeup and five-o'-clock shadows. Reality is, that's just not the case.

Seriously.. if I bumped into Dracon in the girls' room, I wouldn't bat an eye.. I'd never guess she were MtF. On the other hand, if another chick bumped into my FtM friend in the girls' room, there would be problems.

If he were simply allowed to go into a stall in the men's room and do his business, there wouldn't be an issue. But you put him in the girls' room because of his birth sex, and it's going to get disruptive because all people will see is 'there's a man in the girls' room!'- and that could potentially place him in a position of physical danger.
 
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I used to look way more masculine than I do now (I am not a transsexual, just a somewhat "butch" woman, especially back then), when I was about 15 or 16, and I got yelled at (literally) several times for trying to use the women's room. It's not like people don't take the idea of gendered restrooms very seriously.

Seriously. I'm not even all that 'butchy' in appearance.. my hair's shorter than your average chick's, and I have a tendency to wear a mixture of women's clothes and stuff one would find in the boys' department- but it should be pretty glaringly obvious that I'm all girl.

Yet I still get looks (ranging from your garden variety 'hairy eyeball' in my neck of the woods to 'mildly homicidal' in certain parts of the country) on occasion when I walk into the girls' room.
 
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Seriously. I'm not even all that 'butchy' in appearance.. my hair's shorter than your average chick's, and I have a tendency to wear a mixture of women's clothes and stuff one would find in the boys' department- but it should be pretty glaringly obvious that I'm all girl.

Yet I still get looks (ranging from your garden variety 'hairy eyeball' in my neck of the woods to 'mildly homicidal' in certain parts of the country) on occasion when I walk into the girls' room.

I think my favourite story about this was the time I was at the state (MN) swim meet. I wasn't wearing any makeup (obviously, I was swimming, haha), I had and still have short hair, small breasts, a pretty boyish build...but I was wearing a not too baggy tshirt and jeans that fit me. I was trying to enter the bathroom and this woman turned around and said "What are YOU doing in here?"
I replied "I have to pee."
It was too funny.

But there were times, especially in the South when I was travelling through, that I did become a bit frightened.
 
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If there were only stalls in all restrooms, I wouldn't mind unisex restrooms, but the fact that more than 50% of the facilities in a men's room is comprised of open urinals, then I don't want any variation, version or degree of female in the room. That's because of sexual modesty. It's the same reason I wouldn't have a gay male roommate. I would be uncomfortable for the same reason most women would be uncomfortable having me as a roommate; sexual modesty.
 
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If there were only stalls in all restrooms, I wouldn't mind unisex restrooms, but the fact that more than 50% of the facilities in a men's room is comprised of open urinals, then I don't want any variation, version or degree of female in the room. That's because of sexual modesty. It's the same reason I wouldn't have a gay male roommate. I would be uncomfortable for the same reason most women would be uncomfortable having me as a roommate; sexual modesty.

Do you regularly expose your penis in full view of other men when you're at a urinal? Or do you, like most of us, generally keep things as unobtrusive as possible? Why would it be any different if women were allowed in. Are you being immodest when you use the urinal in front of a gay man? Urinating need not be sexual, so I don't see how it relates to sexual immodesty.

When I was in university and staying in residence, the washrooms for the floor were entirely unisex. And while at the beginning there were some hesitant bladders because it was not the normal arrangement people were used to, everybody got used to it and there were no issues whatsoever. I held many a conversation with my female floormates while at the urinal.
 
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Ah yes. The forces of progress speaking of what they do not know. Tell me brenin, what woud you have me do? Use the men's room? Look at my picture and tell me that would go well.

This is the attitude that keeps us as second class citizens.
I am not sure what to do with you, since I do not think there should be such a thing as gender reassignment.
 
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