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Golly Gee, John, you have such aggression in your writing. I do like the kid thing, though. I am 55 years old and I haven't been called a kid in years. Thank you, that is equal to being asked for an ID when I buy a bottle of wine.

I'm not scared to address your assertion. You guys make assertions without biblical basis, I don't. Also when I find that scripture contradicts what I believe I change my belief. I don't add to or try to change scripture to fit my belief.

Paul points out that basis for justification has always been faith not works.
Rom 9: 30 ¶ What shall we say then? That the Gentiles, which followed not after righteousness, have attained to righteousness, even the righteousness which is of faith.
31 But Israel, which followed after the law of righteousness, hath not attained to the law of righteousness.
32 Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone;
Paul says here that Israel did not attain to righteousness because they sought it by the works of the Law and not by faith. Faith has always been the path to justification. God's grace provides faith to those who seek justification.

Here Jesus illustrates God's grace in justification coupled with man's responsibility in this story about two men praying to the Father.
Luke 18: 10 Two men went up into the temple to pray; the one a Pharisee, and the other a publican.
11 The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican.
12 I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess.
13 And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner.
14 I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other: for every one that exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted.
This story is consistent with the gospel message that Jesus told His disciples to bring to the world. This publican was repentant the Pharisee wasn't. This publican asked for mercy and went home justified, that is grace, my friend, anyway you want to put it. Oh and this was before the death, burial, and resurrection of Christ, right?

Here again is the gospel message that Jesus told His disciples to share with the world.
Luke 24:45 Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures,
46 And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day:
47 And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.
Yes this was before the resurrection but we see that after the resurrection, Peter and Paul are still sharing the same message. Paul said that it came to him from a heavenly vision which is different than what you are saying Paul received.

Ok now I have addressed your assertion. Now I would like you to address why Paul in his own words would tell Agrippa that the heavenly vision that he received from the Lord matched the same gospel message that Peter preached?

Isn't this after the death,burial, and resurrection?
Acts 26:19 Whereupon, O king Agrippa, I was not disobedient unto the heavenly vision:
20 But shewed first unto them of Damascus, and at Jerusalem, and throughout all the coasts of Judaea, and then to the Gentiles, that they should repent and turn to God, and do works meet for repentance.


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part 1:

Golly Gee, John, you have such aggression in your writing. I do like the kid thing, though. I am 55 years old and I haven't been called a kid in years. Thank you, that is equal to being asked for an ID when I buy a bottle of wine.

I'm not scared to address your assertion. You guys make assertions without biblical basis, I don't. Also when I find that scripture contradicts what I believe I change my belief. I don't add to or try to change scripture to fit my belief."-GLJCA
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" You guys make assertions without biblical basis, I don't."-GLJCA

Specifics, please. I quoted the scripture prior to the death, burial, and resurrection. By your method of argumentation, I say you REPPYS make assertions without biblical basis-we do not. What do you think of that-"so there!"="kidstuff."


"Paul points out that basis for justification has always been faith not works.
Rom 9: 30 ¶ What shall we say then? That the Gentiles, which followed not after righteousness, have attained to righteousness, even the righteousness which is of faith.
31 But Israel, which followed after the law of righteousness, hath not attained to the law of righteousness.
32 Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone;
Paul says here that Israel did not attain to righteousness because they sought it by the works of the Law and not by faith. Faith has always been the path to justification. God's grace provides faith to those who seek justification."-GLJCA

Mc: You assume the content of the faith required for justification is the same in all dispensations. And it was not. What was the content of faith required in Mt.-John, at least prior to the dbr?


"Then they that were in the ship came and worshipped him, saying, Of a truth thou art the Son of God." Mt. 14:33
"And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God." Mt. 16:16
(comment: and with the 16:18 "upon this rock" statement by the Lord Jesus Christ, our Saviour was setting the "foundation", i.e., the "rock", upon which the kingdom church, the "little flock" church(Luke 12:32 )would be built upon-their faith would rest upon the foundation that He was " the Christ, the Son of the living God.")
"And he saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am? And Peter answereth and saith unto him, Thou art the Christ." Mark 8:29
"He said unto them, But whom say ye that I am? Peter answering said, The Christ of God." Luke 9:20
"But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name." Jn. 1:12
"Now when he was in Jerusalem at the passover, in the feast day, many believed in his name, when they saw the miracles which he did." Jn. 2:23
"He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God." Jn. 3:18
"And said unto the woman, Now we believe, not because of thy saying: for we have heard him ourselves, and know that this is indeed the Christ, the Saviour of the world." Jn 4:42
"And we believe and are sure that thou art that Christ, the Son of the living God." Jn. 6:69
"She saith unto him, Yea, Lord: I believe that thou art the Christ, the Son of God, which should come into the world." Jn. 11:27
"But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name." Jn. 20:31

No change in the message in "early" Acts:

"Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made the same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ." Acts 2:36
"And his name through faith in his name hath made this man strong, whom ye see and know: yea, the faith which is by him hath given him this perfect soundness in the presence of you all." Acts 3:16
"Be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom ye crucified, whom God raised from the dead, even by him doth this man stand here before you whole." Acts 4:10
"Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved." Acts 4:12
"And daily in the temple, and in every house, they ceased not to teach and preach Jesus Christ." Acts 4:42
"And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God." Acts 8:37

No change in the message by Paul, early in his ministry, before he was progressively/gradually(i.e., progressive revelation:Acts 9:9,16; 22:10,16,17("trance"); 26:16; 1 Cor. 11:23; 2 Cor. 12:1 ; Gal. 2:2; Eph. 3:3; Col. 1:25; "But now"-Romans 16:26, Eph. 2:13, Col. 1:26 / notice Paul spent 3 years in Arabia per Galatians 1:17,18! 3 years! I find this amazing! Could that be Mt. Sinai? ) given the revelation of the mystery, from the risen, ascended, and glorified Lord Jesus Christ, from heaven(not earth),and the prophetic program was progressively/gradually(but temporarily) set aside:

"And straightway he preached Christ in the synagogues, that he is the Son of God." Acts 9:20
"But Saul increased the more in strength, and confounded the Jews which dwelt at Damascus, proving that this is very Christ." Acts 9:22

Notice the change in Acts 13:

Paul presents the "outline" of 1 Cor. 15:1-4, the only gospel that will save in the current dispensation we are under :

Verse 13:28:"And though they found no cause of death in him, yet desired they Pilate that he should be slain." = the death of the Lord Jesus Christ

Verse 13:29: "And when they had fulfilled all that was written of him, they took him down from the tree, and laid him in a sepulchre."=the burial of the Lord Jesus Christ

Verse 13:30: "But God raised him from the dead:..." =the resurrection of the Lord Jesus Christ

And notice the gradual change in the message, as Paul boldly states:

"Be it known unto you therefore, men and brethren, that through this man is preached unto you the forgiveness of sins: And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses." Acts 13:38,39

No one preached 1 Cor. 15:1-4, at least prior to the dbr, as a basis for justification-no scripture states this.

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part 2:

" Here Jesus illustrates God's grace in justification coupled with man's responsibility in this story about two men praying to the Father.
Luke 18: 10 Two men went up into the temple to pray; the one a Pharisee, and the other a publican.
11 The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican.
12 I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess.
13 And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner.
14 I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other: for every one that exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted.
This story is consistent with the gospel message that Jesus told His disciples to bring to the world. This publican was repentant the Pharisee wasn't. This publican asked for mercy and went home justified, that is grace, my friend, anyway you want to put it. Oh and this was before the death, burial, and resurrection of Christ, right?"-GLJCA

Mc: And just where is the Lord Jesus Christ preaching to this publican, GLJCA that:

"I am going to die for your sins....be buried......and be raised again for your justification.....Believe this, and you will be saved."?

He wasn't. Once again, GLJCA "punts."


He provides no scripture in Mt.-John, prior to the dbr, where the Lord Jesus Christ , the 12 preached 1 Cor. 15:1-4 as a basis for justification-ZIPPO. He cannot. And why is that? Simple(except for 1 Cor. 3:1-2 kids like himself):

"1.The 12 did not know of the impending dbr-it was hid from them

"For he taught his disciples, and said unto them, The Son of man is delivered into the hands of men, and they shall kill him; and after that he is killed, he shall rise the third day. But they understood not that saying, and were afraid to ask him." Mark 9:31,32

"Then he took unto him the twelve, and said unto them, Behold, we go up to Jerusalem, and all things that are written by the prophets concerning the Son of man shall be accomplished. For he shall be delivered unto the Gentiles, and shall be mocked, and spitefully entreated, and spitted on: And they shall scourge him, and put him to death: and the third day he shall rise again. And they understood none of these things: and this saying was hid from them, neither knew they the things which were spoken." Luke 18:31-34

"For as yet they knew not the scripture, that he must rise again from the dead." John 20:9


2. Peter tried to prevent the Lord Jesus Christ's death, and His death was a key component of 1 Cor. 15:1-4:

"From that time forth began Jesus to shew unto his disciples, how that he must go unto Jerusalem, and suffer many things of the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and be raised again the third day. Then Peter took him, and began to rebuke him, saying, Be it far from thee, Lord: this shall not be unto thee" Mt. 16:21,22

"And he began to teach them, that the Son of man must suffer many things, and be rejected of the elders, and of the chief priests, and scribes, and be killed, and after three days rise again. And he spake that saying openly. And Peter took him, and began to rebuke him." Mark 8:31,32


3. Even after the Lord's death, burial, and resurrection, the 12 intially did not believe it:

"And when they saw him, they worshipped him: but some doubted." Mt. 28:17

"And they, when they had heard that he was alive, and had been seen of her, believed not. After that he appeared in another form unto two of them, as they walked, and went into the country. And they went and told it unto the residue: neither believed they them. Afterward he appeared unto the eleven as they sat at meat, and upbraided them with their unbelief and hardness of heart, because they believed not them which had seen him after he was risen." Mark 16:11

"And returned from the sepulchre, and told all these things unto the eleven, and to all the rest. It was Mary Magdalene and Joanna, and Mary the mother of James, and other women that were with them, which told these things unto the apostles. And their words seemed to them as idle tales, and they believed them not." Luke 24:9-11

" And while they yet believed not for joy, and wondered, he said unto them, Have ye here any meat?" Luke 24:41

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"Here again is the gospel message that Jesus told His disciples to share with the world.
Luke 24:45 Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures,
46 And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day:
47 And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.
Yes this was before the resurrection but we see that after the resurrection, Peter and Paul are still sharing the same message. Paul said that it came to him from a heavenly vision which is different than what you are saying Paul received. " -GLJCA


Mc: Which "the Bible" are you reading, GLJCA? Is Luke 24 prior to the dbr, or after? TILT again by GLJCA. Luke 24:45, which I quoted over and over again, along with Luke 18:31-34, which states that the 12 knew nothing of the dbr, since it was hid from them, says:

"Then opened he their understanding...."=ONLY AFTER the dbr did they know of it. Acts 8:30 GLJCA? So, GLJCA, if the 12 were preaching a "the gospel" prior to the dbr, and they were, what "the gospel", were they preaching? It certainly was not 1 Cor. 15:1-4, since it was hid from them. It was "the gospel of the kingdom", not 1 Cor:15:1-4!:

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Peter(and Judas) preached "the gospel of the kingdom":

"And when he had called unto him his twelve disciples, he gave them power against unclean spirits, to cast them out, and to heal all manner of sickness and all manner of disease. Now the names of the twelve apostles are these; The first, Simon, who is called Peter, and Andrew his brother; James the son of Zebedee, and John his brother; Philip, and Bartholomew; Thomas, and Matthew the publican; James the son of Alphaeus, and Lebbaeus, whose surname was Thaddaeus; Simon the Canaanite, andJudas Iscariot, who also betrayed him. These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not: But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. And as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand. Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out devils: freely ye have received, freely give." Matthew 10:1-8


"....And as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand. Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out devils: freely ye have received, freely give." Matthew 10:7,8

"And Jesus went about all Galilee, teaching in their synagogues, and preaching the gospel of the kingdom, and healing all manner of sickness and all manner of disease among the people." Matthew 4:23

"And Jesus went about all the cities and villages, teaching in their synagogues, and preaching the gospel of the kingdom, and healing every sickness and every disease among the people." Matthew 9:35


Therfore, the gospel of the kingdom is not equivalent to 1 Cor. 15:1-4, refuting your "opinion", your assertion(not an argument) that there is only one "the" gospel.


We can discuss what "the gospel" was preached after the dbr, once you address the above.

"Ok now I have addressed your assertion. Now I would like you to address why Paul in his own words would tell Agrippa that the heavenly vision that he received from the Lord matched the same gospel message that Peter preached?

Isn't this after the death,burial, and resurrection?
Acts 26:19 Whereupon, O king Agrippa, I was not disobedient unto the heavenly vision:
20 But shewed first unto them of Damascus, and at Jerusalem, and throughout all the coasts of Judaea, and then to the Gentiles, that they should repent and turn to God, and do works meet for repentance."-GLJCA

Mc: Yes, this event is after the dbr. Thank you for agreeing with me-you cannot cite any passages in Mt.-John,where 1 Cor. 15:1-4 was preached by anyone as a basis for justification-NADA. Your point being? As usual, you quote scripture outside Mt.-John prior to the dbr, to "prove" that there is only one "the" gospel." My comment on you being a "kid" stands.

"the same gospel message that Peter preached"

Even assuming that Acts 26:19 is referencing 1 Cor. 15:1-4(and it is not-the subject is IDOLATRY), why do you quote Acts? Quote Mt.-John, prior to the dbr, where anyone preached 1 Cor. 15:1-4 as a basis for justification. Chapter and verse.




Now, again, for the umpteenth time, provide scripture, from Mt.-John, prior to the dbr, where the Lord Jesus Christ, the 12, or anybody, preached "I/He is going to die for your sins....be buried.....be raised again for your/our justification....believe on this and you will be saved...." Chapter and verse.

You cannot, and will not. Thus, "the gospel of the kingdom", which the 12 did preach in Mt.-John, at least prior to the dbr, is not equivalent to "the" gospel of 1 Cor. 15:1-4, since 1 Cor. 15:1-4 was not preached during this same time period, at least prior to the dbr. And thus, your "supporting walls"(premises) of your "argument" crumbles.

And this is, and has been, GLJCA's response:

"...We cannot tell..."(Mt. 21:27, Mark 11:33)


In Christ and with Christ,
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This is great. I have shown scripturally that the gospel that Paul received in the heavenly vision is the same gospel that Peter preached and all you can do is jump on baptism?

Good job EPH you have made my day.

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Show us, in Matthew-John, where Peter, prior to the death, burial, and resurrection, a time period in which we know he was preaching "the" gospel of the kingdom, preached "the" gospel of 1 Cor. 15:1-4, i.e.,:

"The Lord Jesus Christ is going to die for your sins....be buried....be raised again for your justification......believe on this 'the' gospel, and be saved."

Chapter and verse in Mt.-John, prior to the dbr.

Watch again the "punt." And thus GLJCA cannot refute that there are, in fact, according to scripture's testimony, more than one "the" gospel"'s, more than one "good news" in scripture.


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Specifics, please. I quoted the scripture prior to the death, burial, and resurrection. By your method of argumentation, I say you REPPYS make assertions without biblical basis-we do not. What do you think of that-"so there!"="kidstuff."

How more specific can I get. I showed you the scriptures that Paul in his own words said that through the heavenly vision he was given the gospel that he was to preach. He told Agrippa what that gospel entailed. I will present it again because you must have missed it.

Acts 26: 19 Whereupon, O king Agrippa, I was not disobedient unto the heavenly vision:
20 But shewed first unto them of Damascus, and at Jerusalem, and throughout all the coasts of Judaea, and then to the Gentiles, that they should repent and turn to God, and do works meet for repentance.


Now apparently you think Paul received something different than what he says that he received.

You quoted
 
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GLJCA:

(Rev.1:10-11)
I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and heard behind me a great voice, as a trumpet,
Saying, "I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and what thou seest, write in a book, and send it unto the seven churches which are in Asia; unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamos, and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia, and unto Laodicea."

Do you believe that these 7 churches mentioned here in the Book of the Revelation have already existed, and are now gone?
If so, why do we not read of specific letters or epistles to each one of them?

And when was this said: "I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last" ???
 
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How can I get more specific? I showed you how Paul told Agrippa what the heavenly vision was that he received from God. Here it is again.

Acts 26:19 Whereupon, O king Agrippa, I was not disobedient unto the heavenly vision:
20 But shewed first unto them of Damascus, and at Jerusalem, and throughout all the coasts of Judaea, and then to the Gentiles, that they should repent and turn to God, and do works meet for repentance.

If what you are saying is true then how could Paul make this statement to Agrippa? Paul preached repentance from sin, a turning to God from the world, and works meet for repentance.

You have gotten grace all mixed up. You think that the message that Paul told Agrippa is not one of grace, which you are wrong. Why would Paul's message to Agrippa not be the gospel and 1Cor 15:1-4 is the gospel? He is giving the Corinthians a condition for salvation. He said basically, Unless you keep in memory what I have preached to you, or unless you persevere in the faith you will have believed in vain.

1Cor 15:1 ¶ Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;
2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.

You believe in eternal security so tell me why Paul would say it that way?
He told them that they received the gospel that he preached to them.
He said that they believed and were saved.
Yet he told them that if they did not keep in memory what he had preached to them, they would have believed in vain. How could that be if all that is required to be secure for eternity is to believe?

Look at what Paul told the Colossians.
Col 1: 21 And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled
22 In the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight:
23 If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister;
Paul told them that Christ had reconciled them to himself but the condition was that they had to continue in the faith and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel. Is that GRACE? Definitely!!

God is sovereign and can give eternal life to whom ever He chooses.
His grace opens your eyes to the fact that you are a sinner headed for Hell.
His grace provides you with the faith to believe in Christ, something that would be impossible for you to do without that gift from God, yet it is my responsibility to believe.
His grace helps us to persevere in the faith. A person perseveres in the faith because God perserves them in Christ. Oh and I almost forgot. It is God that grants repentance.
2Ti 2:25 In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth

So we see that God opens our eyes so that we can see our sin. God grants repentance and faith to those whom He chooses. We must believe and then God helps us to persevere in the faith, all for His glory because none of that would be possible for any of without God doing it through us.

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Mc: You assume the content of the faith required for justification is the same in all dispensations. And it was not. What was the content of faith required in Mt.-John, at least prior to the dbr?

Jas 2:25 Likewise also was not Rahab the harlot justified by works, when she had received the messengers, and had sent them out another way?
Rahab believed in God because of what she had heard concerning the God of Israel. It was her works that are the visible part of her faith. What if she had believed and done nothing? The spys would have been caught and she would not have ended up in that Hall of Faith in Heb 11.

How about Job.
Job 13:15 Though he slay me, yet will I trust in him: but I will maintain mine own ways before him.
16 He also shall be my salvation: for an hypocrite shall not come before him.
17 Hear diligently my speech, and my declaration with your ears.
18 Behold now, I have ordered my cause; I know that I shall be justified.

Job trusted in God and because of that he knew that he would be justified before Him.

The belief in God with resulting works has always been the content of faith in the OT and the NT.

Don't you just hate it when the Word of God proves your belief wrong?

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No change in the message by Paul, early in his ministry, before he was progressively/gradually(i.e., progressive revelation:Acts 9:9,16; 22:10,16,17("trance"); 26:16; 1 Cor. 11:23; 2 Cor. 12:1 ; Gal. 2:2; Eph. 3:3; Col. 1:25; "But now"-Romans 16:26, Eph. 2:13, Col. 1:26 / notice Paul spent 3 years in Arabia per Galatians 1:17,18! 3 years! I find this amazing! Could that be Mt. Sinai? ) given the revelation of the mystery, from the risen, ascended, and glorified Lord Jesus Christ, from heaven(not earth),and the prophetic program was progressively/gradually(but temporarily) set aside:

Did you not know that the heavenly vision that Paul was telling Agrippa about, was the same one that he received in that 3 years in Arabia?

Notice the change in Acts 13:

Paul presents the "outline" of 1 Cor. 15:1-4, the only gospel that will save in the current dispensation we are under :
What is amazing to me is the Paul would tell Agrippa that he preached that Jew and Gentile is to repent, turn to God and do works meet for repentance after this change. I mean chapter 26 comes after 13 if I get my figures correct.
And notice the gradual change in the message, as Paul boldly states:

"Be it known unto you therefore, men and brethren, that through this man is preached unto you the forgiveness of sins: And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses." Acts 13:38,39

No one preached 1 Cor. 15:1-4, at least prior to the dbr, as a basis for justification-no scripture states this.

Yes I see it. Paul changed in Acts 13 and then changed back in Acts 26, where He told Agrippa what the heavenly vision was concerning the gospel that he preached to Jew and Gentile.

Come on give it up, JM. Paul's own words show your teaching up for what it is, false teaching.


Mc: Which "the Bible" are you reading, GLJCA? Is Luke 24 prior to the dbr, or after? TILT again by GLJCA. Luke 24:45, which I quoted over and over again, along with Luke 18:31-34, which states that the 12 knew nothing of the dbr, since it was hid from them, says:

This is amusing. Either you are not thinking about what you are writing or you just can't see it. It makes no difference whether this verse is before or after. What makes the difference is that what Jesus told the disciples to preach is the same gospel that Peter and Paul preached. You keep trying to divert attention away from the fact that Paul preached the same message that Jesus told the disciple to preach before the death, burial, and resurrection.

JM you can't twist the Word enough to get out of this bind. The gospel which Jesus told His disciples to preach is the same gospel that Paul preached. Word for word.

GLJCA
 
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How more specific can I get. I showed you the scriptures that Paul in his own words said that through the heavenly vision he was given the gospel that he was to preach. He told Agrippa what that gospel entailed. I will present it again because you must have missed it.

Acts 26: 19 Whereupon, O king Agrippa, I was not disobedient unto the heavenly vision:
20 But shewed first unto them of Damascus, and at Jerusalem, and throughout all the coasts of Judaea, and then to the Gentiles, that they should repent and turn to God, and do works meet for repentance.

Now apparently you think Paul received something different than what he says that he received.

You quoted
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I understand I went too fast. Slower:

You quoted after the death,burial, resurrection. Is Acts 26:19 after the dbr? From what "the bible" are you reading?I asked you to show where Peter, or anyone, preached "the" gospel of 1 Cor. 15:1-4, prior to the dbr, as a basis for justification. Acts 8:30? No.


Thank you for agreeing with me-you cannot cite any passages in Mt.-John,where 1 Cor. 15:1-4 was preached by anyone as a basis for justification-NADA. Your point being? As usual, you quote scripture outside Mt.-John prior to the dbr, to "prove" that there is only one "the" gospel." My comment on you being a "kid" stands.

"the same gospel message that Peter preached"

Even assuming that Acts 26:19 is referencing 1 Cor. 15:1-4(and it is not-the subject is IDOLATRY), why do you quote Acts? Quote Mt.-John, prior to the dbr, where anyone preached 1 Cor. 15:1-4 as a basis for justification. Chapter and verse.


Now, again, for the umpteenth time, provide scripture, from Mt.-John, prior to the dbr, where the Lord Jesus Christ, the 12, or anybody, preached "I/He is going to die for your sins....be buried.....be raised again for your/our justification....believe on this and you will be saved...." Chapter and verse.

You cannot, and will not. Thus, "the gospel of the kingdom", which the 12 did preach in Mt.-John, at least prior to the dbr, is not equivalent to "the" gospel of 1 Cor. 15:1-4, since 1 Cor. 15:1-4 was not preached during this same time period, at least prior to the dbr. And thus, your "supporting walls"(premises) of your "argument" crumbles.

And this is, and has been, GLJCA's response:

"...We cannot tell..."(Mt. 21:27, Mark 11:33)

Again, chapter and verse, GLJCA, in Mt-John, prior to the dbr,and not in Acts, where anyone preached 1 Cor. 15:1-4, "the" gospel, as a basis for justification. There is none. Accordingly, "the" gospel of the kingdom, which was preached by the Lord Jesus Christ, by John the baptist, by the 12, prior to the dbr, is not 1 Cor. 15:1-4, is not equivalent to 1 Cor. 15:1-4, and thus, your "argument", that there is only one "the" gospel, is refuted. Now, answer the questions, with scripture in Mt.-John, prior to the dbr, and quit the spin, as foundinhim predicted you would provide.


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Do you believe that these 7 churches mentioned here in the Book of the Revelation have already existed, and are now gone?
If so, why do we not read of specific letters or epistles to each one of them?

All of these churches were visited or founded by Paul on his missionary journeys. The book of Ephesians was written to the Church of Ephesus (Rev 2:1). All of these churches were only a few miles apart. Some are gone and some are still there.

The angel or messenger of the Church is the pastor. I know you have a computer just do a google search for the Churches of Asia Minor. Also just a cursory study of the Nicolaitans, would show you that these were actual churches with actual problems, spiritual and physical.

The idea that these churches were not real but represented future dispensations is ridiculous. I thought Dispys believed in the literal interpretation of Revelation.

Most Dispys don't even question the Dispy belief system and those that do are no longer Dispys.

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Even assuming that Acts 26:19 is referencing 1 Cor. 15:1-4(and it is not-the subject is IDOLATRY), why do you quote Acts? Quote Mt.-John, prior to the dbr, where anyone preached 1 Cor. 15:1-4 as a basis for justification. Chapter and verse.
Woah wait a minute. Here you go again twisting the Word of God because it doesn't fit in your belief system. You are saying that Acts 26:19 is talking about idolatry? How can you say that? What reference are you speaking of? Here let's look at the context of the passage.

Acts 26: 12 ¶ Whereupon as I went to Damascus with authority and commission from the chief priests,
13 At midday, O king, I saw in the way a light from heaven, above the brightness of the sun, shining round about me and them which journeyed with me.
14 And when we were all fallen to the earth, I heard a voice speaking unto me, and saying in the Hebrew tongue, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me? it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks.
15 And I said, Who art thou, Lord? And he said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest.
16 But rise, and stand upon thy feet: for I have appeared unto thee for this purpose, to make thee a minister and a witness both of these things which thou hast seen, and of those things in the which I will appear unto thee;
17 Delivering thee from the people, and from the Gentiles, unto whom now I send thee,
18 To open their eyes, and to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan unto God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins, and inheritance among them which are sanctified by faith that is in me.
19 Whereupon, O king Agrippa, I was not disobedient unto the heavenly vision:
20 But shewed first unto them of Damascus, and at Jerusalem, and throughout all the coasts of Judaea, and then to the Gentiles, that they should repent and turn to God, and do works meet for repentance.

Maybe I misunderstood. I will give you a chance to show us where this is talking about idolatry.
Could you please explain where the idolatry shows up in this passage?

Seems like to me that Paul was trying open people's eyes, to turn people from darkness to light, from the power of Satan to God, so they might receive forgiveness of sins. Isn't that what the gospel does?

This one is the biggest stretch yet,JM.

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Now, again, for the umpteenth time, provide scripture, from Mt.-John, prior to the dbr, where the Lord Jesus Christ, the 12, or anybody, preached "I/He is going to die for your sins....be buried.....be raised again for your/our justification....believe on this and you will be saved...." Chapter and verse.

You cannot, and will not. Thus, "the gospel of the kingdom", which the 12 did preach in Mt.-John, at least prior to the dbr, is not equivalent to "the" gospel of 1 Cor. 15:1-4, since 1 Cor. 15:1-4 was not preached during this same time period, at least prior to the dbr. And thus, your "supporting walls"(premises) of your "argument" crumbles.

Here you go again trying to divert the subject away from the fact that your belief is false and scripture shows it. Your premise is that the gospel changed from what Jesus told His disciples to preach in Luke 24 and what Paul preached. I have shown you, in Paul's own words, that it is the same gospel. Now you are asking a question that is not relavant to divert all eyes away from the fact that your belief is false.

The gospel that Paul preached is the same gospel that Peter preached in Acts 2. I have shown that conclusively and yet you still deny it.

Paul said things in Corinthians that he did not say in Ephesians but that does not mean that there is a different gospel in one that isn't in the other. How obsured. The gospel is the same. It is the grace of God unto salvation for all who believe to the Jew first and also the Gentile. Repentance is the evidence and result of a person's faith. Someone who does not repent of their sin does not know God.

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Did you not know that the heavenly vision that Paul was telling Agrippa about, was the same one that he received in that 3 years in Arabia?


What is amazing to me is the Paul would tell Agrippa that he preached that Jew and Gentile is to repent, turn to God and do works meet for repentance after this change. I mean chapter 26 comes after 13 if I get my figures correct.


Yes I see it. Paul changed in Acts 13 and then changed back in Acts 26, where He told Agrippa what the heavenly vision was concerning the gospel that he preached to Jew and Gentile.

Come on give it up, JM. Paul's own words show your teaching up for what it is, false teaching.




This is amusing. Either you are not thinking about what you are writing or you just can't see it. It makes no difference whether this verse is before or after. What makes the difference is that what Jesus told the disciples to preach is the same gospel that Peter and Paul preached. You keep trying to divert attention away from the fact that Paul preached the same message that Jesus told the disciple to preach before the death, burial, and resurrection.

JM you can't twist the Word enough to get out of this bind. The gospel which Jesus told His disciples to preach is the same gospel that Paul preached. Word for word.

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Come on give it up, JM. Paul's own words show your teaching up for what it is, false teaching.



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Mc: Which "the Bible" are you reading, GLJCA? Is Luke 24 prior to the dbr, or after? TILT again by GLJCA. Luke 24:45, which I quoted over and over again, along with Luke 18:31-34, which states that the 12 knew nothing of the dbr, since it was hid from them, says:
This is amusing. Either you are not thinking about what you are writing or you just can't see it. It makes no difference whether this verse is before or after. What makes the difference is that what Jesus told the disciples to preach is the same gospel that Peter and Paul preached. You keep trying to divert attention away from the fact that Paul preached the same message that Jesus told the disciple to preach before the death, burial, and resurrection.

JM you can't twist the Word enough to get out of this bind. The gospel which Jesus told His disciples to preach is the same gospel that Paul preached. Word for word.

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There you have it folks-"class dismissed...let's all go home....GLJCA has spoken."

"It makes no difference whether this verse is before or after."

This REPPY does not even know his own "argument" :

1.He contends that Peter preached the same "the" gospel" that Paul preached, i.e., 1 Cor. 15:1-4, and that, therefore, there is just one "the" gospel.

2. I point out that Peter preached "the" gospel of the kingdom, prior to the dbr.

3. I point out, and showed, with scripture, that the Lord Jesus Christ, Peter, the 12....did not preach 1 Cor. 15:1-4 ,at least prior to the dbr in Mt.-John, as a basis for justification. Neither Peter, nor the 12, knew of the dbr, prior to its ocurrence-it was hid. Peter tried to prevent the Lord Jesus Christ's death. Peter and the 12 did not initially believe in the resurrection. Thus, they were not preaching "the" gospel of 1 Cor. 15:1-4.

4. Accordingly, "the" gospel of tthe kingdom, which Peter preached prior to the dbr in Mt.-John, is not equivalent to 1 Cor. 15:1-4.

5. Accordingly, there is more than one "the" gospel in the Holy Bible.

"What Jesus told the disciples to preach is the same gospel that Peter and Paul preached"-GLJCA

Since we know that Paul preached "the" gospel of 1 Cor. 15:1-4, "...Christ died for our sins...was buried...was raised again for our justification...believe this 'the' gospel and be saved...", then:

Again, Show us,prior to the DBR, in Mt. -John, where Jesus told the disciples, or Peter, or anyone to preach: "I am going to die for your sins...be buried....be raised again for your justification...believe this 'the' gospel and be saved...." CHAPTER and VERSE, GLJCA.

You cannot, and you will not. And why is that, GLJCA? You would have to concede that "the" gospel of the kingdom is not equivalent to 1 Cor. 15:1-4, and thus, your on record "argument", i.e., that there is only one "the" gospel, "commits suicide.

Show us, GLJCA. You will not, because you cannot-you have "punted", as usual.

Let's go. I will continue to press you on this issue. Let's go.

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Here you go again trying to divert the subject away from the fact that your belief is false and scripture shows it. Your premise is that the gospel changed from what Jesus told His disciples to preach in Luke 24 and what Paul preached. I have shown you, in Paul's own words, that it is the same gospel. Now you are asking a question that is not relavant to divert all eyes away from the fact that your belief is false.

The gospel that Paul preached is the same gospel that Peter preached in Acts 2. I have shown that conclusively and yet you still deny it.

Paul said things in Corinthians that he did not say in Ephesians but that does not mean that there is a different gospel in one that isn't in the other. How obsured. The gospel is the same. It is the grace of God unto salvation for all who believe to the Jew first and also the Gentile. Repentance is the evidence and result of a person's faith. Someone who does not repent of their sin does not know God.

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"Here you go again trying to divert the subject away from the fact that your belief is false and scripture shows it. Your premise is that the gospel changed from what Jesus told His disciples to preach in Luke 24 and what Paul preached." -GLJCA


Mc: Wrong. My premise is that what was preached in Mt.-John, prior to the dbr, "the" gospel of the kingdom, was not 1 Cor. 15:1-4, and I showed it from scripture. I never said, nor commented as of yet, what was preached after the dbr. We will discuss this. But, as previously stated, you must prove that "the" gospel of the kingdom is equivalent to 1 Cor. 15:1-4-and you cannot. I Cor. 15:1-4 was not preached by anyone as a basis for justification, prior to the dbr, including the Lord Jesus Christ." No one. Show us GLJCA, from scripture, Mt-John, prior to the dbr. We are still waiting.

" I have shown you, in Paul's own words, that it is the same gospel. Now you are asking a question that is not relavant to divert all eyes away from the fact that your belief is false. " -GLJCA

Mc: You have shown nothing. Show us that 1 Cor. 15:1-4, "the" gospel Paul preached, was preached by anyone as a basis for justification. Chapter and verse, from Mt-John, and NOWHERE ELSE, PRIOR TO THE DBR. We will wait.


"The gospel that Paul preached is the same gospel that Peter preached in Acts 2. I have shown that conclusively and yet you still deny it. "

Mc: You have shown us nothing. Show us that "The gospel that Paul preached", i.e., 1 Cor: 15:1-4, is the same gospel that the 12 preached, prior to the dbr, in Mt.-John. The 12 were ONLY PREACHING "the" gospel of the kingdom, not 1 Cor. 15:1-4 prior to the dbr. Show us anywhere, chapter and verse, where the 12 preached 1 Cor. 15:1-4="The gospel that Paul preached", prior to the dbr. If you cannot cite it, then the 12 were preaching a "the" gospel different than 1 Cor. 15:1-4="the gospel of the kingdom.

Show us. You will not, and cannot. I will wait. Chapter and verse from Mt.-John, prior to the dbr. Let's go.

Now, again, for the umpteenth time, provide scripture, from Mt.-John, prior to the dbr, where the Lord Jesus Christ, the 12, or anybody, preached "I/He is going to die for your sins....be buried.....be raised again for your/our justification....believe on this and you will be saved...." Chapter and verse.

You cannot, and will not. Thus, "the gospel of the kingdom", which the 12 did preach in Mt.-John, at least prior to the dbr, is not equivalent to "the" gospel of 1 Cor. 15:1-4, since 1 Cor. 15:1-4 was not preached during this same time period, at least prior to the dbr. And thus, your "supporting walls"(premises) of your "argument" crumbles.

GLJCA cannot see, and thus will not admit that the gospel of the kingdom is not equivalent to "the" gospel of 1 Cor. 15:1-4, although it is "kidstuff", i.e., kids can see it. He cannot, because it refutes his REPPY false doctrine.

Now, show us, chapter and verse. He will not, for he cannot.

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Woah wait a minute. Here you go again twisting the Word of God because it doesn't fit in your belief system. You are saying that Acts 26:19 is talking about idolatry? How can you say that? What reference are you speaking of? Here let's look at the context of the passage.

Acts 26: 12 ¶ Whereupon as I went to Damascus with authority and commission from the chief priests,
13 At midday, O king, I saw in the way a light from heaven, above the brightness of the sun, shining round about me and them which journeyed with me.
14 And when we were all fallen to the earth, I heard a voice speaking unto me, and saying in the Hebrew tongue, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me? it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks.
15 And I said, Who art thou, Lord? And he said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest.
16 But rise, and stand upon thy feet: for I have appeared unto thee for this purpose, to make thee a minister and a witness both of these things which thou hast seen, and of those things in the which I will appear unto thee;
17 Delivering thee from the people, and from the Gentiles, unto whom now I send thee,
18 To open their eyes, and to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan unto God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins, and inheritance among them which are sanctified by faith that is in me.
19 Whereupon, O king Agrippa, I was not disobedient unto the heavenly vision:
20 But shewed first unto them of Damascus, and at Jerusalem, and throughout all the coasts of Judaea, and then to the Gentiles, that they should repent and turn to God, and do works meet for repentance.
Maybe I misunderstood. I will give you a chance to show us where this is talking about idolatry.
Could you please explain where the idolatry shows up in this passage?

Seems like to me that Paul was trying open people's eyes, to turn people from darkness to light, from the power of Satan to God, so they might receive forgiveness of sins. Isn't that what the gospel does?

This one is the biggest stretch yet,JM.

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Where is this passage? Is it in Mt.-John, prior to tthe dbr? Yes or No.

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Jas 2:25 Likewise also was not Rahab the harlot justified by works, when she had received the messengers, and had sent them out another way?
Rahab believed in God because of what she had heard concerning the God of Israel. It was her works that are the visible part of her faith. What if she had believed and done nothing? The spys would have been caught and she would not have ended up in that Hall of Faith in Heb 11.

How about Job.
Job 13:15 Though he slay me, yet will I trust in him: but I will maintain mine own ways before him.
16 He also shall be my salvation: for an hypocrite shall not come before him.
17 Hear diligently my speech, and my declaration with your ears.
18 Behold now, I have ordered my cause; I know that I shall be justified.
Job trusted in God and because of that he knew that he would be justified before Him.

The belief in God with resulting works has always been the content of faith in the OT and the NT.

Don't you just hate it when the Word of God proves your belief wrong?

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Show that the content of faith required for justification in Mt.-John, prior to the dbr, was that which "the" gospel of 1 Cor. 15:1-4 states:

"...Christ died for now our sins...was buried...was raised again...." for our justification(Romans 4:25). Chapter and verse. Let's go.

Yes, I agree with your last statement. You do hate it when I methodically dismantle and pick apart your "supporting walls"(premises) of your "argument", and thus your REPPY false doctrine crumbles faster than Don Zimmer after Pedro Martinez "got through with him."

"resulting works"

How many, GLJCA? Specifics, please.

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There you have it folks-"class dismissed...let's all go home....GLJCA has spoken."

"It makes no difference whether this verse is before or after."

You do my statements just like you do the Word of God. You take part of a statement and make a case on it. You are taking one scripture and trying to make a belief that is foreign to the rest of the Canon of Scripture, which is the same thing that the Mormons and JWs have done. I lump you in with them on this one.

Mc: You have shown us nothing. Show us that "The gospel that Paul preached", i.e., 1 Cor: 15:1-4, is the same gospel that the 12 preached, prior to the dbr, in Mt.-John. The 12 were ONLY PREACHING "the" gospel of the kingdom, not 1 Cor. 15:1-4 prior to the dbr. Show us anywhere, chapter and verse, where the 12 preached 1 Cor. 15:1-4="The gospel that Paul preached", prior to the dbr. If you cannot cite it, then the 12 were preaching a "the" gospel different than 1 Cor. 15:1-4="the gospel of the kingdom.

This is really good, John. The people that are reading this discussion can see the position that you are in. They see that your premise is that the gospel that Jesus told His disciples to preach was different than what Paul preached. I showed you that you are wrong. Please comment on the scripture that I have given you in Acts 26 instead of this dodging and running from the question? It takes a man to say that he is wrong when the Word of God shows him that he is wrong. Hey I also notice that EPH is even smart enough to get out of this discussion. It is really hard to propagate a false belief when people keep showing scriptures that refute it.

I have shown you in Paul's own words the gospel that he preached to Jew and Gentile was Paul's gospel. Here it is again.
Acts 26:19 Whereupon, O king Agrippa, I was not disobedient unto the heavenly vision:
20 But shewed first unto them of Damascus, and at Jerusalem, and throughout all the coasts of Judaea, and then to the Gentiles, that they should repent and turn to God, and do works meet for repentance.

Paul shows what the gospel of the heavenly vision is that he was given. He shows that he preached that gospel of the heavenly vision to Jew and Gentile alike. If you are preaching a gospel that is lacking repentance then you are preaching a different gospel.

I have shown you that Paul's gospel was the same Gospel that Jesus told the rest of His disciples to preach in Luke 24:46 And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day:
47 And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.

This is the same content that Paul preached in 1Cor 15. It shows that Christ had to suffer, die, and rise from the dead. He also tells them to preach repentance and remission from sin. These are Christ's words not mine, and this is exactly what Paul preached.

You know what is sad is that the Word of God has shown you to be in error and you are going to stay with the error instead of standing on the Word of God.

Show that the content of faith required for justification in Mt.-John, prior to the dbr, was that which "the" gospel of 1 Cor. 15:1-4 states

John I shown you several scriptures but you rejected all of them. Here is another scripture that shows that faith justified OT saints, not that it will help because you will reject this passage also.
Hab 2:4 Behold, his soul which is lifted up is not upright in him: but the just shall live by his faith.
This is the second most requoted verse in the Bible. It is requoted several times in the NT. It shows without a doubt( that is for anyone except a MAD person) that it has always been faith that justifies.

The OT saints before the DBR placed their faith in the coming Messiah and God honored that faith. After the crucifixion Christ appeared to the OT saints showing them that He was the object of their faith. Ephesians says that He lead captivity captive at that time, which is why many of the OT saints came out of their graves at the resurrection.
Eph 4:8 Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men.
Mt 27:52 And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose,
Mt 27:53 And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.
Today those OT saints are in heaven with Christ and are part of the Church of Jesus Christ, which is the Kingdom Church.

Now could you please comment on this idolatry thing that you say Paul was talking about in Acts 26? I am excited to hear what you have to say about that one.

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GLJCA cannot see, and thus will not admit that the gospel of the kingdom is not equivalent to "the" gospel of 1 Cor. 15:1-4, although it is "kidstuff", i.e., kids can see it. He cannot, because it refutes his REPPY false doctrine.

This is the classic Dispy dodge and run tactic. Your premise is that Paul's gospel was different than Peter's gospel. That is the premise that started this discussion. Now you are trying to do some open field running from the subject of this discussion.

Please comment on these scriptures that I have presented.
Here is the gospel according to Jesus Christ.
Luke 24: 46 And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day:
47 And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.


Here is the gospel according to Peter.
Acts 2: 38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.


Here is the gospel according to Paul.
Acts 26:19 Whereupon, O king Agrippa, I was not disobedient unto the heavenly vision:
20 But shewed first unto them of Damascus, and at Jerusalem, and throughout all the coasts of Judaea, and then to the Gentiles, that they should repent and turn to God, and do works meet for repentance.

Sure looks like the same to me. If it is kidstuff to believe the Bible then I like kidstuff.

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Mc: You have shown us nothing. Show us that "The gospel that Paul preached", i.e., 1 Cor: 15:1-4, is the same gospel that the 12 preached, prior to the dbr, in Mt.-John. The 12 were ONLY PREACHING "the" gospel of the kingdom, not 1 Cor. 15:1-4 prior to the dbr. Show us anywhere, chapter and verse, where the 12 preached 1 Cor. 15:1-4="The gospel that Paul preached", prior to the dbr. If you cannot cite it, then the 12 were preaching a "the" gospel different than 1 Cor. 15:1-4="the gospel of the kingdom.

Paul's gospel is the gospel of the Kingdom and when one puts their faith in the object of the (good news) gospel of the kingdom Paul says that they are translated into the kingdom of God's Son.
Col 1:13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:
Notice the tense of the verb here. It is "hath translated" not will translate. When we believe in Christ God translates us into the Kingdom of Christ. How can He do that if the Kingdom isn't here yet? Opps here we go again with that kidstuff. Everytime I bring out scriptures that proves that the MAD belief is bogus you say it is kidstuff. Well kidstuff is good then.

Tell me why did Paul preach the kingdom of God to the Jews and Gentiles after the DBR?
To the Gentiles in Ephesus.
Ac 20:25 And now, behold, I know that ye all, among whom I have gone preaching the kingdom of God, shall see my face no more.
To the Jews in Rome.

Ac 28:23 ¶ And when they had appointed him a day, there came many to him into his lodging; to whom he expounded and testified the kingdom of God, persuading them concerning Jesus, both out of the law of Moses, and out of the prophets, from morning till evening.
Ac 28:31 Preaching the kingdom of God, and teaching those things which concern the Lord Jesus Christ, with all confidence, no man forbidding him.
Paul preached the gospel of the Kingdom of God long after the DBR, John.




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