extreme feminism ?

What garbage?!?! Talk about being blinded by the devil.

This is not feminism. This is blasphemy! I would not want to be the ones writing this garbage!

That is wrong. I don't know any sripture when used in context that would support that.

Father, look upon all those who have erred in this way with your love, grace and mercy. Demonstrate to them your kindness, long-suffering patience and forgiveness. Reveal yourself to them in a deep personal way, Father, that they may come to know you as you would want them to know you - as your child.

People want to change who God and Christ are, because if they are who the Bible says they are, then they will have to give up their sin and submit or acknowledge their love of sin and rebel. If they rebel, they can't pretend that God is on their side. So the only solution to the problem is to change God.

I call myself a feminist because I believe that women are equal to men in all ways except with our bodies, but I draw the line where feminism contradicts God's word. Feminism will not be my foundation, Christ is. Feminism, along with everything else, will always take second place in my life to God.

Man, that is just plain stupid. I guess if folks twist things around far enough they can always come up with SOME way to TRY and logically back up their ignorant claims. *ick*

Originally posted by DaveKerwin
I don't like extreme feminism at all, especially in christian circles, that makes it even worse.

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Dave,

I would have appreciated it if, if you were going to quote me on another thread, you would have told me about it.

Now, I myself do not believe what I mentioned others as believing - that the blood of Christ was menstual blood, that Jesus was a hermaphrodite or anything else.

However, I do not think God is essentially male, or female.

John 4:24 God is spirit, and those who worship him must worship in spirit and truth

"Spirit" is neuter, neither male nor female, and thats just the word. The concept of a spirit doesn't really allow for gender either, as our definition of gender is based on our bodies, and a spirit does not have a body.

So, in that Jesus is God, and that God is not male nor female, then you can say Jesus is neither male nor female in essence, however on earth he was a "he", was male.

Galatians 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus.

If you want to learn more about feminist Christianity - non-extreme people are such as Rosemary Radford Ruether, and Elizabeth Schussler Fiorenza, whereas the more extreme end can be expressed by a reading of Mary Daly's Beyond God the Father.

-Divinus

 

Divinus, why does Paul teach that women should be silent in Church (see 1 Tim. 2:11,12)? The role of the woman in the church is clear, they are the helper/supporter. To put this role upon God is quite unscriptural.

Soli Deo gloria!

Sigh. I'm really tired of explaining that one (I Corinthians). I wish people would understand that Paul was speaking about women who were interupting service and annoying the people who were trying to listen. He was NOT speaking about women NEVER speaking in church at all. Some people with an axe to grind against women really blow that out of proportion.

My Grandma used to study out of a Russian language Bible (her native language) and it translates that passage something like this:

"And I do not let women talk back... If they claim not to understand something, they should ask their husbands at home."

The women of corinth were interupting the services and the teaching by talking back to the teacher/preacher, right in the middle of the sermon, without regard to how disruptive it was, claiming that they only wanted to clarify the preacher's points. Paul was making hyperbole by saying that they should keep silent. He was ordering them to shut up, not to never participate.

It goes on: "It is shameful for a woman to talk back in church." And right before this section it says, "God is not a God of disorder but a God of peace." Paul was talking about disorderly conduct on the part of the licentious women of corinth! He wasn't maligning or subduing women!

Feminism is a crock.

Originally posted by lambslove
Sigh. I'm really tired of explaining that one (I Corinthians). I wish people would understand that Paul was speaking about women who were interupting service and annoying the people who were trying to listen. He was NOT speaking about women NEVER speaking in church at all. Some people with an axe to grind against women really blow that out of proportion.

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I never inferred that a woman should not be tolerated to "speak in church", the problem with femenist ideology is that women can be in control. The Bible clearly teaches that women should not be in positions of authority in the church i.e. no women pastors, deacons, bishops, etc...

Soli Deo gloria!

man thats bad....feminism is bad

Where exactly do you come to that understanding sola?

Originally posted by suzie
Where exactly do you come to that understanding sola?

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Let me try to explain this position...

1 Tim. 2:11,12-
"Let a woman learn in silence with all submission. And I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man, but to be in silence." NKJV


As 1 Cor. 11:5 indicates, Paul does not forbid all vocal participation by women in the worship service. Submission also does not mean that women are of a lower status than men.
Paul does, however, exercise his apostolic authority in restricting women from exercising a certain kind of authority and teaching.
Paul teaches that women are not to be of authoritative status. That's what the scripture tells us, here's what I say...

In God's creation men and women were created for certain tasks. The Christian family should be, according to the Bible, headed by the husband. If the husband beseeches his control to the wife, the household will usually be in disorder. The same goes with the church. As Paul teaches, women have a very important place in the church body, but not as authority figures. A female pastor takes on a role meant for a man, and the family becomes disfunctional. The woman suddenly has pastoral authority and is the leader of the church.
Paul would have had none of this...he even said he would not permit it. This is an order, not an option.
It's not anything to belittle women, it's just the way God made us to function. He made the men to be the head of the family, and to be the leaders of the church.
If you have any questions feel free to ask.
God bless.

Soli Deo gloria!

Some of the passages in the scriptures are difficult to understand. At times especially in the Pauline letters, scripture seem to contradict. We know that women taught--for Priscilla and her husband Aquila taught Apollos. This husband-wife team is mentioned 6 times elsewhere in the NT.Priscilla is usually mentioned first which is significant, since the culture of this time would be to name the husband first. This signifies that Priscilla is probably the more important or visible leader and may suggest she had a higher social status that Aquila. Paul in 1 Cor 11 speaks about man being the "head" of woman. If you would read that with today's understanding, we would interpret this as being in authority over...however, in Greek understanding and culture, head or kephale was used to mean source or origin, such as the headwaters of a river. The passage in 1 Cor 11 returns to the relationship of man and woman in vv8-12 in terms of source and concludes "As woman came from man, so also man is born of woman, but everything comes from God" This indicates that man and woman are interdependant, that both find their source in God. In actuality, role of having one person in "charge" is nonbiblical. No where in scripture has God ordained man in authority over women. We are equal and to submit to the each other as to the Lord. The concept of uniting in marriage man and woman become one. That is a unique design where we actually complete or mirror one another as like each side of a piece of paper with God as our Lord and King. If God is in charge of your household, then it becomes a mute point of decision making. We are each called to use our gifts as given. Leadership is a spiritual gift that is given freely by the Holy Spirit. Man and woman share the same nature, the same image of God. Both are commissioned to rule the earth. The both share the same essence and the same equality of role. Male and female share in authority as they share in dignity.

So here's an easy one...do you believe women have a place in the pulpit?

Soli Deo gloria!

Of course. Why not?

For the sake of not wanting to argue I'm going to leave it at this...I believe it is very unscriptual for a woman to be in the position of pastor...I'm going to leave it at that b/c I'm here to edify and not to tear down...God bless.

Soli Deo gloria!