http://www.nytimes.com/2006/10/11/world/middleeast/11casualties.html
American citizens are responsible for these deaths. We allowed chaos to form in Iraq. May God have mercy on us.
Iraqi Dead May Total 600,000
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http://www.nytimes.com/2006/10/11/world/middleeast/11casualties.html
American citizens are responsible for these deaths. We allowed chaos to form in Iraq. May God have mercy on us.
The Sunnis, Shiites and Kurds lived together in peace before we invaded Iraq, kept down by Saddam Hussein. We understood that by seizing Iraq we would be setting loose deep animosities between these groups.
You believe it is not our fault if a Shiite kills a Sunni? Wrong, we knew it would happen and invaded anyway.
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Saddam gassed the village of Halabja in 1988 when it was seized and occupied by Iranian troops. Many Kurdish villagers died.
wood chippers? That was Fargo, not Halabja
do you not remember history, or you just require others to find it again for you? Everyone who was alive during Desert Storm remembers the reasons we didn't try to occupy Iraq.
In this country, if a killer is released and kills again, we blame the judge. We had the responsibility to maintain order when we invaded Iraq. By allowing anarchy to rule, the blame for all resulting deaths is ours.
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MachZer0
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Not to mention that the Kurds sided witht he Iranians. Saddam's method of controlling them? Poison gas
It was also a Saddam technique for maintaining control
What everyone should remember is that occupation of Iraq was not the mission. Removing Iraq was the mission, thus there was no occupation.
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Anarchy is not ruling in Iraq. The deaths are the responsibility of the actual killers
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That sounds like a lot when you first hear it.... but 469 per day is really a pretty small number compared to the number of babies Americans abort each day.
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Alrighty, then. Not exactly sure how this is an abortion thread. How is it that time and again people go to abortion as some kind of a justification for killing? Why do they not care about life in general? Why do they call themselves pro-life when they are really just pro-(United-States-preferrably-white)-fetus?
Why does it matter so much to kill a 6-week fetus, but not matter if you blow up a woman in her third trimester of pregnancy, and her children? Or what about when you torture her husband to death in prison? Why do you care so terribly much about a 5 week fetus, but not say a thing about a woman giving birth and having little or no access to medical care because her health facilities have been largely destroyed, the electricity barely works, and medical supplies are scarce?
Why dont you complain about the 2 million infant deaths every year, especially when the US has such a poor record when compared to other industrialized nations? Why are you not in Sudan spoon-feeding the skeletal shells that were once healthy children, and the pregnant women who will soon lose their pregnancy to starvation, thirst or death? Why not have posts or threads about them?
What about spontaneous abortion and failed implantation? If life begins at conception, and the vast majority of embryos fail to implant, and yet another large number of implanted embryos spontaneously abort, why are you not screaming from the rooftops for us to save all of those babies? Why dont you care about those babies? Why is there no research going on to save those millions, if not billions, of human lives every year?
It is because its easy to blame someone else for having an abortion? Is that it? Is it because it is easy to sit in your living room in a comfy chair, oblivious to the lives and faces and desperation of the women you so revile, and pass uniformed judgment against them? Is it because those women over there are so racially and ethnically foreign to you that their children cant possibly be as important or have a soul as nice as an undeveloped lump of cells with no cognition?
If you want to be pro-life, then be pro life. Stop ignoring or justifying death for the sake of a hollow cause. Stop supporting death in the form of war, execution, murder by torture, or ignoring the voices of the desperate and starving. Want to be pro-life? Then go save a life!
End of rant.
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Occupation was not the mission because even George Bush Sr. knew it would be impossible.
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Our invasion of Iraq has turned out to be a terrible, terrible thing. Our leaders have totally blown it. Its too shameful with what they have done.
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Many people from many different directions tried to raised the issue of a needed Phase IV with this Administration. This Administration didn't even want to talk about it. So...no surprise here but that were no occupation plans in place after the invasion totally highlights the total incompetence of this Administration.
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MachZero, the only mentions I find of Saddam and a wood chipper are references to a rumor placed on blogs and the Free Republic. You brought this up...please post its source.
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Anyway, yeah, it's sad.
I remember that waaaay back in the day, when I was active on the Interplay forums, there were discussions about the upcoming Iraq war, and what effects it would have.
The predictions of the anti-war camp? "All kind of Iraqi groups hate each other. Iraq is going to descend into cival war."
The predictions of the pro-war camp? "Nah, everyone is going to be so happy when they're finally freed from Saddam, this is going to be the best thing ever to happen to the Iraqi people!"
It's a shame that those forums are now long gone, otherwise I could've found you the exact posts.
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Anyway, while the technique used in the research might not be the most exact, it certainly is a lot better than the methods that produce the lower numbers (according to the BBC, some of those are based on media reports... and do you really think that every death, or even just a fraction, is reported in the media? Remember, it's not just about violence, it's also about extra deaths caused by worsened public services. Edit: actually, the study IS just about violence... but I would still say that people dieing because their local hospital was bombed or something also count)
So yeah. I would say that at least the "ammount of zeros" in the number is correct (don't know the english term for "orde-grootte"
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I remember that waaaay back in the day, when I was active on the Interplay forums, there were discussions about the upcoming Iraq war, and what effects it would have.
The predictions of the anti-war camp? "All kind of Iraqi groups hate each other. Iraq is going to descend into cival war."
The predictions of the pro-war camp? "Nah, everyone is going to be so happy when they're finally freed from Saddam, this is going to be the best thing ever to happen to the Iraqi people!"
It's a shame that those forums are now long gone, otherwise I could've found you the exact posts.
..
Anyway, while the technique used in the research might not be the most exact, it certainly is a lot better than the methods that produce the lower numbers (according to the BBC, some of those are based on media reports... and do you really think that every death, or even just a fraction, is reported in the media? Remember, it's not just about violence, it's also about extra deaths caused by worsened public services. Edit: actually, the study IS just about violence... but I would still say that people dieing because their local hospital was bombed or something also count)
So yeah. I would say that at least the "ammount of zeros" in the number is correct (don't know the english term for "orde-grootte"
).
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