Breaking News on 9/11
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jamesrwright3
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Yes, there was a conspiracy, by Al Qaeda
Only people that aren't grounded in reality believe otherwise
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Exactly. Maybe it gives them comfort, in some way, to believe the hands of the politicians they don't like are behind all evil events in the world. Believe it or not, some people think FDR engineered the attack on Pearl Harbor, just so he could go to war and have more power to himself. These conspiracy theories are nothing new. (New sig idea
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Yes it did. And your point was????
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Oooh, a PRATT list. How original and/or unexpected. How about this: Take one point off your zergling-style list of logical fallacies and hopeless inaccuracies and we can happily tear it to shreds.
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At least 7 of the 19 Hijackers are Still Alive
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/hijackers.html
Hijack 'suspects' alive and well
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/1559151.stm
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Thank you for posting those. WhatReallyHappened(WRH) sources the BBC article so I'll just go through WRH's list of 7.
1) Waleed M. al-Shehri: From the BBC article which was dated Sept 23, 2001:
Hijack 'suspects' alive and well
BBC Sunday, 23 September, 2001, 12:30 GMT 13:30 UK
Another of the men named by the FBI as a hijacker in the suicide attacks on Washington and New York has turned up alive and well.
The identities of four of the 19 suspects accused of having carried out the attacks are now in doubt.
...FBI Director Robert Mueller acknowledged on Thursday that the identity of several of the suicide hijackers is in doubt....
Waleed Al Shehri left the US a year ago, he says
However, Al Shehri the highjacker applied for a driver's license in Florida in May 2001. He had his photo taken then and scribbled his signature. In March 2002 , ABC News did a story which repeated an earlier assertion by Al Shehri's father that he hadn't heard from his sons since ten months before 9/11, and on Aug 25, 2002, NBC reporter John Hockenberry interviewed a third brother Salah who agreed that his two brothers were dead and said they had been "brainwashed".
2) Wail M. Alshehri: WRH source a LA times article which is no longer available. See above.
3) Abdulaziz Al Omari:WRH source the BBC article.
Just by looking at the photo in the BBC article , you can clearly see that that Abdulaziz Al Omari is not the same person as the hijacker whose identity was confirmed by the Saudi government.
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4) Mohand Alshehri: WRH source a CNN article from Sept 28, 2001. According to the article he was named by the Saudis as a mistaken identity. However, in Feb of 2002 the Saudis essentially ceded to the validity of the original list:
Previously, Saudi Arabia had said the citizenship of 15 of the 19 hijackers was in doubt despite U.S. insistence they were Saudis. But Interior Minister Prince Nayef told The Associated Press that Saudi leaders were shocked to learn 15 of the hijackers were from Saudi Arabia.
"The names that we got confirmed that," Nayef said in an interview. "Their families have been notified."
5) Khalid Almihdhar: WRH sources CNN and Guardian articles that were both written in Sept of 2001. They both suggest a possible assumed name. However, he was a Saudi National and thus has been confirmed as one of the highjackers.
6) Salem Alhazmi: WRH again sourced Sept 2001 articles from CNN and the Guardian. Alhazmi was Saudi National . Confirmed highjacker.
7) Hani Hanjour: WRH sourced a Washington Post listing done less than a week after the attack. However, Hanjour was a Saudi National. Confirmed highjacker.
The fact that none of 19 on the list have come forward to be interviewed on video should in itself be enough to put your argument to rest. However, the following leaves no doubt:
FBI clear on hijackers' identities
11/03/2001
FBI Director Robert Mueller said Friday investigators have established the true identities of all 19 of the Sept. 11 hijackers and have found places outside the United States where the plot was hatched.
The identities of some of the hijackers were in question for weeks after the attacks because investigators were not sure whether some were carrying false identification when they boarded planes in Washington and Boston.
``We at this point definitely know the 19 hijackers who were responsible,'' Mueller said.
Previously, Saudi Arabia had said the citizenship of 15 of the 19 hijackers was in doubt despite U.S. insistence they were Saudis. But Interior Minister Prince Nayef told The Associated Press that Saudi leaders were shocked to learn 15 of the hijackers were from Saudi Arabia.
"The names that we got confirmed that," Nayef said in an interview. "Their families have been notified."
5) Khalid Almihdhar: WRH sources CNN and Guardian articles that were both written in Sept of 2001. They both suggest a possible assumed name. However, he was a Saudi National and thus has been confirmed as one of the highjackers.
6) Salem Alhazmi: WRH again sourced Sept 2001 articles from CNN and the Guardian. Alhazmi was Saudi National . Confirmed highjacker.
7) Hani Hanjour: WRH sourced a Washington Post listing done less than a week after the attack. However, Hanjour was a Saudi National. Confirmed highjacker.
The fact that none of 19 on the list have come forward to be interviewed on video should in itself be enough to put your argument to rest. However, the following leaves no doubt:
FBI clear on hijackers' identities
11/03/2001
FBI Director Robert Mueller said Friday investigators have established the true identities of all 19 of the Sept. 11 hijackers and have found places outside the United States where the plot was hatched.
The identities of some of the hijackers were in question for weeks after the attacks because investigators were not sure whether some were carrying false identification when they boarded planes in Washington and Boston.
``We at this point definitely know the 19 hijackers who were responsible,'' Mueller said.
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HAHA you think that is evidence?
Do you know about idenitity theft?
We don't take pictures of everyone going onto the plane
So what you are saying is the planes were hijacked by someone else? or maybe some of the passengers thought hey, lets see what it is like to crash this thing. Maybe we won't die
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Might as well start with the first sentence.
No one knows who was behind the Reichstag fire.
Marinus van der Lubbe may have and probably did act alone. In February of 1933, Hitler and Stalin were in a holding pattern. The Soviets did not want to give the NSDAP reason to eliminate the Kommunistische Partei Deutschlands and it is unlikely they ordered van der Lubbe to torch the building. But Hitler needed the support of the left wing of his socialist party (remember Roehm and the SA weren't taken care of until June of 1934) and wasn't seeking a confrontation either. In 1933, German communists were useful to Hitler. He didn't want to crush them yet.
So why does everything think the Nazis were responsible for the arson?
Because of the well funded propaganda machine of Willi Munzenberg, a KPB representative in the Reichstag. Munzenberg worked for Stalin by way of the Comintern.
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