The Left's Diplomacy Pays Off

jamesrwright3 said:

You are wrong, plain and simple and obviously haven't done your research

Now all you have to do is apologize for calling me a liar

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Could you quote specifically where President Bush took the Naval Officer exam, whatever that is? It does not seem to exist. Also prodice the full grade transcript. For some reason my link does not have this included.

jamesrwright3 said:

It did happen.
See above

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Now when I see something that says "Bush's scores on the Air Force Officer Qualifying Test" this makes me believe that the President took an Air Force Officer Qualifying exam, not a Naval Officer qualifying exam, but you specifically said "Bush scored higher on the naval officer test than Kerry."

Please explain.

Alabaster said:

Now when I see something that says "Bush's scores on the Air Force Officer Qualifying Test" this makes me believe that the President took an Air Force Officer Qualifying exam, not a Naval Officer qualifying exam, but you specifically said "Bush scored higher on the naval officer test than Kerry."

Please explain.

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Sorry, my bad. Regardless they were OCS tests, and measure intelligence and Bush scored higher
So my assertions are true and correct

Alabaster said:

Could you quote specifically where President Bush took the Naval Officer exam, whatever that is? It does not seem to exist. Also prodice the full grade transcript. For some reason my link does not have this included.

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http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?pagename=article&contentId=A37397-2000Mar18

jamesrwright3 said:

Sorry, my bad. Regardless they were OCS tests, and measure intelligence and Bush scored higher
So my assertions are true and correct

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So you are claiming they were taking the same test? You have evidence for this?

Also it would appear that your assertion was not true. Are you somehow trying to gloss this over?

jamesrwright3 said:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?pagename=article&contentId=A37397-2000Mar18

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So where is the actul full comparison? I do see that Al Gore has a high IQ, though 134 is not as high as I would have expected.

Alabaster said:

So you are claiming they were taking the same test? You have evidence for this?

Also it would appear that your assertion was not true. Are you somehow trying to gloss this over?

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The part of my statement that was in error was immaterial Both are an OCS test
Both are measures of IQ as per the article

So my statement still stands unless you can find an article to dispute the experts claim

jamesrwright3 said:

The part of my statement that was in error was immaterial Both are an OCS test

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And the Denver Broncos and Dallas Cowboys are both football teams, but assuming that they are the same because they are both football teams is horribly wrong.

Do you have any evidence that the tests are similar?

Both are measures of IQ as per the article

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The article? You mean the comment by the random guy?

So my statement still stands unless you can find an article to dispute the experts claim

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You’re actually going to refer to the Blog by Steve Sailer is an expert? I cannot find any credentials to comment on IQ anywhere on his site or the greater Internet. Why is he an expert? He seems to be a political blogger and movie critic.

]And the Denver Broncos and Dallas Cowboys are both football teams, but assuming that they are the same because they are both football teams is horribly wrong.

Do you have any evidence that the tests are similar?

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The experts cited think they are
From everything I have read in the past, the are similar
Both are for OCS and hence would measure many of the same characteristics in terms of overall ability
I have provided the evidence
You have provided none to dispute it


All you can do is hand wave.

So prove me wrong. Prove me that they do measure something different or that the scores aren't valid measures of IQ

jamesrwright3 said:

The experts cited think they are
From everything I have read in the past, the are similar

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Your movie critic “expert” is hardly a valid source. Perhaps something you have read about officer tests could be provided? I would love to see this claim backed up, since I don't think you have ever read anything. Are you back to refusing to provide evidence after the last time ended so badly?

Both are for OCS and hence would measure many of the same characteristics in terms of overall ability
I have provided the evidence
You have provided none to dispute it

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1. You have provided no evidence at all other than the fact that you intentionally lied.
2. The Air Force and Navy are two radically different military forces. The are undoubted looking for different intellectual characteristics in their Officers. Your assertion that they are the same is inherently counterintuitive.
3. I do not need to present anything. I already pointed out you lied about the naval officer test President Bush took. You have simply made more baseless claims which you still cannot support.

Two tests proving same thing
Bush SAT Higher than Kerry

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1240592/posts

http://encyclopedia.thefreedictionary.com/List of people by SAT score

Bush 1206 Kerry 1190

:rollin

Here is what we also know from New Yorker Magazine and UPI in articles from January of 2004.

-- Bush's SAT scores are higher than Bill Bradley's, Paul Wellstone's, and John Kerry's.

jamesrwright3 said:

Two tests proving same thing
Bush SAT Higher than Kerry

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1240592/posts

http://encyclopedia.thefreedictionary.com/List of people by SAT score

Bush 1206 Kerry 1190

:rollin

Here is what we also know from New Yorker Magazine and UPI in articles from January of 2004.

-- Bush's SAT scores are higher than Bill Bradley's, Paul Wellstone's, and John Kerry's.

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I heard Bush paid someone else to take those SAT's for him. Now, I'm not going to prove it, you're going to have to prove I'm lieing.

mine were higher than all of them. tell me what that proves about me? anything? what is the point of this very silly argument? move on kids!

reverend B said:

mine were higher than all of them. tell me what that proves about me? anything? what is the point of this very silly argument? move on kids!

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It means you could be President if you had connections

jamesrwright3 said:

Wow talk about spinning a video clip
Joe said no such thing. He was reporting about what others have said. but his guests indicated that Bush's speech doesn't reflect his level of his intelligence and that he is actually quite smart. That was even the conclusion of the author of "Bushisms" And the supposedly stupid Bush got better grades than Kerry and Gore, and Bush scored higher on the naval officer test than Kerry


the clip is there. i will let people make their own determinations on the "spin".



We will never be able to tell without going in there
Sesimic waves don't indicate the signature of a nuke, at least one with any kind of power. I am betting against it

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i would suggest to you that the stakes are pretty high to gamble on this one. if your "bet" is wrong an incredible number of people could wind up dead. i think preparedness would be more, as ghwb would say, prudent.

Hasn't "the Right" been in charge of diplomacy the last 6 years? Hasn't there been two administrations between Carter and Clinton? I mean...if we're going to evaluate whether an administrations diplomacy policies have succeded or failed as evidenced by NK's "test", doesn't the current administration, and the ones between Carter and Clinton, have any responsibility? Any at all?

Is it really the sole fault of "the Left" or am I reading the OP wrong?

Anovah said:

Hasn't "the Right" been in charge of diplomacy the last 6 years? Hasn't there been two administrations between Carter and Clinton? I mean...if we're going to evaluate whether an administrations diplomacy policies have succeded or failed as evidenced by NK's "test", doesn't the current administration, and the ones between Carter and Clinton, have any responsibility? Any at all?

Is it really the sole fault of "the Left" or am I reading the OP wrong?

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No, you're not reading anything wrong, you're just in the fiction section.