The Left's Diplomacy Pays Off

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In other words, Bush did engage in diplomacy, just not diplomacy that meets your standards?

Or anyone else's standards. Empty threats and Saber-rattling (pantomime saber-rattling, since the saber's currently lodged in a sand dune) isn't consdered diplomacy.
 
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Or anyone else's standards. Empty threats and Saber-rattling (pantomime saber-rattling, since the saber's currently lodged in a sand dune) isn't consdered diplomacy.
Maybe you could provide some examples of empty threats and sabre rattling that occurred at the talks between U. S. and North Korean diplomats.
 
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we didn't wait that long. calling them part of an "axis of evil" let them know that we were not negotiating from a position of diplomacy. that was the point. put them on notice before we ever said a word.

Factor in Bush's "we don't negotiate with terrorists" and "You're either with us or against us" rhetoric, and NK knew the US had no intentions of negotiation.

Operation Quagmire depleted our military muscle, leaving Bush with no way to enforce his rhetoric.
 
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wasn't it just a few pages ago you said that it was suspected that nk started violations in 1998? how did that warp into '94? you crack me up, man, you really do! thanks for the giggle!
(and don't make me go back and quote it to you. you know where it is.)

Sorry typo
I meant 1998
But the agreement was a waste of time and paper
 
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Factor in Bush's "we don't negotiate with terrorists" and "You're either with us or against us" rhetoric, and NK knew the US had no intentions of negotiation.

Who cares? You can't negotiate with a nut
Negotiation with him would have solved nothing
He would have made another excuse to violate any kind of bilateral agreement


Operation Quagmire depleted our military muscle, leaving Bush with no way to enforce his rhetoric

We could have bombed his facilities
 
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when you say "who cares?" the answer is we all should. painful sophmoric gaffs in international rhetoric have real ramifications, as this very dim man is now learning as his legacy crumbles around him.
did you see where joe scarborough had a segment talking about whether or not bush is actually dumb or just unable to handle the english language? those were the two choices, and joe and his guest determined that , no, in fact g.w. was not mentally, creatively, intellectually up to the task of president. good old joe, a republican with integrity! i don't always agree with him, but at least he hasn't just become a parrot for the party. don't you love him, james?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vG8kxfJWiL0
latest indications are they aren't sure yet. would you like to get smug about your presumption that it was not a nuke? i think it would be wise to be prepared, don't you?
 
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everyone that has met with him comes back surprised by his savvy and guile. this guy is not crazy. he has manipulated us into a position where we can only watch and hope.
you typed '94 incorrectly twice? if you say so.

I was just going to comment on the repeated sentiment about Kim Jong Il's insanity being rather overstated by most pundits and citizens. He definately seems to have an inferiority complex (if the stories about him wearing lifts in his shoes are true would be a glaring indicator) and either doesn't care about his citizens or lives in a Potempkin capital where his ministers protect him from the privations in the countryside, but to call him crazy seems like a desperate need to demonize a potential adversary.
 
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=when you say "who cares?" the answer is we all should. painful sophmoric gaffs in international rhetoric have real ramifications, as this very dim man is now learning as his legacy crumbles around him.
did you see where joe scarborough had a segment talking about whether or not bush is actually dumb or just unable to handle the english language? those were the two choices, and joe and his guest determined that , no, in fact g.w. was not mentally, creatively, intellectually up to the task of president. good old joe, a republican with integrity! i don't always agree with him, but at least he hasn't just become

Wow talk about spinning a video clip
Joe said no such thing. He was reporting about what others have said. but his guests indicated that Bush's speech doesn't reflect his level of his intelligence and that he is actually quite smart. That was even the conclusion of the author of "Bushisms" And the supposedly stupid Bush got better grades than Kerry and Gore, and Bush scored higher on the naval officer test than Kerry



latest indications are they aren't sure yet. would you like to get smug about your presumption that it was not a nuke? i think it would be wise to be prepared, don't you?[/

We will never be able to tell without going in there
Sesimic waves don't indicate the signature of a nuke, at least one with any kind of power. I am betting against it
 
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And the supposedly stupid Bush got better grades than Kerry and Gore, and Bush scored higher on the naval officer test than Kerry

Produce the grades, I would like to see them. I’m also curious what an “officer test” is and why would President Bush be taking a Naval Officer test when he was in the National Guard?
 
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I will get his report cards out of my closet
Do a google
It will come up

Do a google on the second thing as well

Don't be lazy

I would think you were the lazy one, being unable to support your lies and all. You are simply lying, this is clear.
 
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I would think you were the lazy one, being unable to support your lies and all. You are simply lying, this is clear.

I am not lying. Those facts are common knowledge
I guess you weren't paying attention during the last couple of election cycles

You can't say I am lying without research or else you are guilty of making an unsupportable statement. If y

Do a google search. Prove me wrong

If you can't prove me wrong, then you can't say I am lying

Good day :)
 
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I am not lyingThose facts are common knowledge
I guess you weren't paying attention during the last couple of election cycles

You can't say I am lying without research or else you are guilty of making an unsupportable statement

Do a google search. Prove me wrong

If you can't prove me wrong, then you can't say I am lying

Good day

I don’t have to prove you wrong, you have to prove yourself right. That’s how these things work. Did you ever take a class on logic???
 
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I don’t have to prove you wrong, you have to prove yourself right. That’s how these things work. Did you ever take a class on logic???

Well obviously you didn't
You claimed I was lying and couldn't produce evidence
I find that to be hilarious. Talk about hypocrisy
You make claims you can't back up

So if I am lying, prove I am lying?
I guess you can't prove I am lying


I am done with this thread. It's not something to waste my time on. I was responding to the good reverend, not you. Since you have that attitude, I will not provide anything to you, but if the good reverend asks me for anything, I will gladly give it to him
 
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Well obviously you didn't
You claimed I was lying and couldn't produce evidence
I find that to be hilarious. Talk about hypocrisy
You make claims you can't back up

Yes I can. You said, “the supposedly stupid Bush got better grades than Kerry and Gore, and Bush scored higher on the naval officer test than Kerry”

This is not true. President Bush was never in the Navy, never took a Naval Officer test. The comprehensive grades are not readily available anywhere I have seen.

So if I am lying, prove I am lying?
I guess you can't prove I am lying

See the naval officer text above. It never happened. The grades may be correct, but in light of your inability to provide the evidence, you obviously don’t actually have any knowledge of the subject.

I am done with this thread. It's not something to waste my time on. I was responding to the good reverend, not you. Since you have that attitude, I will not provide anything to you, but if the good reverend asks me for anything, I will gladly give it to him

Well based on your logic I could say that you torture kittens in your house for fun. Have fun proving me wrong!!!!
 
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Yes I can. You said, “the supposedly stupid Bush got better grades than Kerry and Gore, and Bush scored higher on the naval officer test than Kerry”

This is not true. President Bush was never in the Navy, never took a Naval Officer test. The comprehensive grades are not readily available anywhere I have seen.


You are wrong, plain and simple and obviously haven't done your research


http://www.vdare.com/Sailer/kerry_iq_lower.htm



See the naval officer text above. It never happened. The grades may be correct, but in light of your inability to provide the evidence, you obviously don’t actually have any knowledge of the subject.

It did happen.
See above

Well based on your logic I could say that you torture kittens in your house for fun

No you couldn't. You could have looked up and found evidence for your assertions
But you were too lazy and just took the easy way out and called me a liar, depsite the fact you don't have a clue about what you are talking aboutCheckmate

Now all you have to do is apologize for calling me a liar
 
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